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Dozens lol

Leonard Nimoy did an episode of 'In Search Of' about one in particular, whose ear appeared to be a match.

iirc, she died before we had the technology to test her DNA against the rest of the Russian royal family.

 

If you want more precise detail on that side reel, you'll have to look it up yourself, tho. The body of mythology surrounding that particular era in history huge. Bigger than the tales about Rasputin's penis.

 

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Xena said: 

There's another issue TC hasn't considered.

He's most employable as a male.

Oh believe me I factored in "The Patriarchy", as to some my choice would be seen as "downgrading" not because of my entrance into the uncanny valley, but because of leaving how they perceive the male gender. Has no one noticed how both sides complain about the other one having advantages? 

The employable advantages of "being male" don't tend to work out for me even when I'm otherwise dressing the part. Any past times of having more pay than my co-workers was mostly over having a college degree of any kind. 

If I go back to minimum wage I'd still be able to market myself, if I go further into Psychology I can use my trans status as a bonus, and receiving SSI as I otherwise am right now is unisex. 

There's also that thing that happens to bosses, coworkers and friends after any big change in a person's life.

It happened to me when I had kids, and again when I went back to school. 

I hear it also happens to people who win lotteries and go through dramatic weight changes.

Many of the people you know will be horrid to you after a big change like this. 

Generally speaking, yes, but I didn't try to harbor falsehoods with my circle of friends and acquaintances. From me it's a lot more predictable, as my "reveals" to people have shown me strongly overtime. 

A lot feel like either they were betrayed by the person when they change, that they left, or that they died and someone else is there as a shadow of their former self, but those around me aren't liable to be shocked by gender norms based on having known me already. Even those who are against the notion of gender swapping conceptually who've known me have been surprisingly understanding compared to if they were looking over a stranger with the same ideas. 

And yeah, you're prolly saying "I'm better off without them" or w/e.

I've always gone with my behaviors being a natural filter. If they don't want to be my friend I'm not stopping them from leaving, which strangely seems to keep them around. 

But what if it's your boss or your landlord, or somebody who wants to badmouth you to your boss or landlord? 

I'm not a success story Xena, the Capricornian adventure was never meant for me. 

This is how people end up homeless. 

According to the person who analyzed me for my Schizoaffective paperwork, I'm already quote unquote "effectively homeless". 

And the shitty thing is, you can't know who will turn on you until the damage is done.

Why couldn't I? People telegraph a lot in advance, and in some of my friend circles I'm not even the first to transition. 

^ This is why people come to regret transitioning.

Because of other people? 

I want to be secure with myself in the mirror, they come second. How they see me can skew how I see myself, but I come before they do. 

They have this goofy movie of themselves playing  in their mind's eye, with their new product stitched on to their wherever, walking down the street to some corny themesong like John Travolta back in the day, with the ladies all swooning at their feet... 

And then reality kicks in, and they get bashed, and/or fired, and/or dumped, and/or booted out of their apartment. 

So again, think about why you're rlly doing this. Why does having a vagina really matter that much to you?

I've already accepted that if I can't afford bottom surgery I'll exist as a futanari. 

Estrogen without bottom surgery is still better than things are now. 

Does it matter more than having a job? If worse comes to worst, are you prepared to do the things Cain had to do to survive? 

I'm in a much more advantageous position than he is,and he's much more talented at improvisation than I am. 

Or worse? Cuz dude... you don't quite have what Cain has, ifyouknowhatimean...

It'd help me if you'd elaborate, as while I could fill in the blanks it might not be how you'd do it. 

Or would you just end up in a mental health facility, using your overpriced vagina to warm your padded cell?

Male genitalia has a high blood flow too. The area between one's legs tends to be about as warm as an armpit. 

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Xena said: 

I agree with the concept of gender as a spectrum. 

Now that I think of it, I was referring to biological sex as nonbinary, as well. But with far less fluid limitations than gender, which is socially constructed.

 

All I'm saying is that certain phenotypes are extremely rare, and I'm dubious about most of the people who claim to be one of the rare types.

Are you sure you aren't just drawing the line in a different spot than modern ideology'd go for? 

Are you sure you mean "ideology"? Not paradigm?

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Xena said: 
Xena said: 

I agree with the concept of gender as a spectrum. 

Now that I think of it, I was referring to biological sex as nonbinary, as well. But with far less fluid limitations than gender, which is socially constructed.

All I'm saying is that certain phenotypes are extremely rare, and I'm dubious about most of the people who claim to be one of the rare types.

Are you sure you aren't just drawing the line in a different spot than modern ideology'd go for? 

Are you sure you mean "ideology"? Not paradigm?

You understood where I was going. 

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Xena said: 

There's another issue TC hasn't considered.

He's most employable as a male.


If I go back to minimum wage I'd still be able to market myself, if I go further into Psychology I can use my trans status as a bonus

Erm… no. There are 2 fields where there is work in Psych. Family counseling and research departments.

You're going to put on a dress and counsel a bunch of TERFy battered wives? I doubt that.

You may do ok as an addictions counselor, depending where you are and how the climate is toward trans people, but... erm… I'm not too hopeful. People who are around drug culture form most of their etiquette from what filters down from organized crime and prison codes. (Watch Sons of Anarchy, Gotti and Donnie Brasco if you need clarification on what those codes are.) You'll find a majority of them are even more homophobic than the university kids you're used to dealing with.

 

And research psychology is a Rich White Boys' Club. So good luck with that  ~

I've always gone with my behaviors being a natural filter. If they don't want to be my friend I'm not stopping them from leaving, which strangely seems to keep them around. 

But what if it's your boss or your landlord, or somebody who wants to badmouth you to your boss or landlord? 

I'm not a success story Xena, the Capricornian adventure was never meant for me. 

I'm not talking about conventional ideas of 'success.' I'm talking about a moderate to high risk of an ugly, imperceptible and unpreventable whisper campaign, where everybody around you decides that you're the ideal candidate to get tossed under the proverbial bus.

I'm talking about having to sleep in parks and steal food, risking all kinds of damage to your physical health bc people are just sadistic like that.

I'm not talking about the juvenile shit the idiots on SC squawk about. 

I'm talking about real hardship. If you have internet access more than 2 hours/ day, then you are not experiencing it.

 

Judging from your responses, I'd say it's reasonable to assume that you've never experienced real hardship.

Your parents are wealthy/ influential, right?


I want to be secure with myself in the mirror, they come second. How they see me can skew how I see myself, but I come before they do. 

^  This is exactly why I doubt your reasoning. I'm not talking about your fluffy friends who pat you on the head and tell you what you want to hear bc they want smthg from you.

I'm talking about the sadistic fucks who go out of their way to find freaks to torture.

 

As an ugly trannie, you will not be treated as a lady. You'll be ignored at best, and assaulted, bashed, fired and kicked out of your home at worst.

Unless your parents are comfortable with paying your way through life, and encouraging your dressup games until they die.

 

If that's the case, then go ye forth. 

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Xena said: 

There's another issue TC hasn't considered.

Does it matter more than having a job? If worse comes to worst, are you prepared to do the things Cain had to do to survive? 

I'm in a much more advantageous position than he is,and he's much more talented at improvisation than I am. 

Or worse? Cuz dude... you don't quite have what Cain has, ifyouknowhatimean...

It'd help me if you'd elaborate, as while I could fill in the blanks it might not be how you'd do it. 

 lol you need me to put it in no uncertain terms?

Cain is cute and has an easier time finding women to take care of him than you would.

And yes, he's far more talented at improvisation.

 

Beyond his looks, he has a charm that you don't have.

Tbh, I'm surprised you have any friends at all. I'm also quite surprised by all the compliments Fae gave you. I just don't see it  ~ shrugs ~

Personally, I find you abrasive af most of the time.

 

People can only get away with that sort of behaviour when they're very young and/ or extremely good looking.

And you are none of the above.

 

So as an ugly woman, people are going to expect you to be polite and accommodating, which you rarely are (to me at least.)

Besides not passing physically, you're also way too argumentative to go through life as a woman.

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Xena said: 
Xena said: 

There's another issue TC hasn't considered.

He's most employable as a male.


If I go back to minimum wage I'd still be able to market myself, if I go further into Psychology I can use my trans status as a bonus

Erm… no. There are 2 fields where there is work in Psych. Family counseling and research departments.

There's way more than that to work with, and if I were aiming for a purely niche market I could work with trans people as "one of them". 

I also wouldn't be half bad as a bdsm counselor. Posted Image

You're going to put on a dress and counsel a bunch of TERFy battered wives? I doubt that.

You may do ok as an addictions counselor, depending where you are and how the climate is toward trans people, but... erm… I'm not too hopeful.

Not that this isn't a tangent entirely, but I have at least a half-baked experience with the field of addiction from those I've known and some courses related to my Bachelor's degree. 

People who are around drug culture form most of their etiquette from what filters down from organized crime and prison codes. (Watch Sons of Anarchy, Gotti and Donnie Brasco if you need clarification on what those codes are.) You'll find a majority of them are even more homophobic than the university kids you're used to dealing with. 

You're completely negating left wing drug addiction. There's a million reasons to take drugs, it goes beyond lifestyle or income now. 

And research psychology is a Rich White Boys' Club. So good luck with that  ~

I already know someone who's in that department that doesn't fit this bill in the slightest. The research department is based on your work history within the field and who you know more than the depth of one's pockets. 

The research department always needs more willing hands, especially when being a lackey (as opposed to a test subject) requires four years of schooling and on-job training. The field might be in it's teenage stages (as opposed to it's infancy), but it's a prolific field as opposed to a niche one these days. 

I've always gone with my behaviors being a natural filter. If they don't want to be my friend I'm not stopping them from leaving, which strangely seems to keep them around. 

But what if it's your boss or your landlord, or somebody who wants to badmouth you to your boss or landlord? 

I'm not a success story Xena, the Capricornian adventure was never meant for me. 

I'm not talking about conventional ideas of 'success.' I'm talking about a moderate to high risk of an ugly, imperceptible and unpreventable whisper campaign, where everybody around you decides that you're the ideal candidate to get tossed under the proverbial bus. 

I'm a provided-for mess already, it's not a downgrade. 

I'm talking about having to sleep in parks and steal food, risking all kinds of damage to your physical health bc people are just sadistic like that. 

I'm not talking about the juvenile shit the idiots on SC squawk about. 

What do they squawk on about..? If you ask me, beyond general hate fuel they don't really seem to be on the same page. 

I'm talking about real hardship. If you have internet access more than 2 hours/ day, then you are not experiencing it. 

You can accomplish that with an outdoor plug and a public wifi connection. If you can walk to your local McDonalds and they have outdoor outlets, you're not going through real hardship

Judging from your responses, I'd say it's reasonable to assume that you've never experienced real hardship. 

When it comes to "real hardship" I'm a tourist at best. I've been quite lucky. 

Your parents are wealthy/ influential, right?

No, but they gave me more than I deserved.

They worked hard and put in a lot for me and saw nothing of substance come of it. 

I want to be secure with myself in the mirror, they come second. How they see me can skew how I see myself, but I come before they do. 

^  This is exactly why I doubt your reasoning. I'm not talking about your fluffy friends who pat you on the head and tell you what you want to hear bc they want smthg from you. 

I'm talking about the sadistic fucks who go out of their way to find freaks to torture. 

This part isn't changing for me, and do I look like the kind of person who'd look for enablers? Empty sentiments have no value, it's why I appreciate criticism. 

As an ugly trannie, you will not be treated as a lady. You'll be ignored at best, and assaulted, bashed, fired and kicked out of your home at worst.

I'm already treated as neither, so how is shapeshifting into a different neither different? 

It's not like it's just chemicals and surgery that make for this, I'm already "an ugly trannie" without anyone's help. 

Unless your parents are comfortable with paying your way through life, and encouraging your dressup games until they die.

I'm on disability. They offer me a situation without rent, but beyond that I'm paying for my own stuff from a government handout instead of off of their hard earned work. 

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Xena said: 
Xena said: 

There's another issue TC hasn't considered.

Does it matter more than having a job? If worse comes to worst, are you prepared to do the things Cain had to do to survive? 

I'm in a much more advantageous position than he is,and he's much more talented at improvisation than I am. 

Or worse? Cuz dude... you don't quite have what Cain has, ifyouknowhatimean...

It'd help me if you'd elaborate, as while I could fill in the blanks it might not be how you'd do it. 

 lol you need me to put it in no uncertain terms?

Cain is cute and has an easier time finding women to take care of him than you would.

And yes, he's far more talented at improvisation.

 

Beyond his looks, he has a charm that you don't have.

Tbh, I'm surprised you have any friends at all. I'm also quite surprised by all the compliments Fae gave you. I just don't see it  ~ shrugs ~

Personally, I find you abrasive af most of the time.

 

People can only get away with that sort of behaviour when they're very young and/ or extremely good looking.

And you are none of the above.

TLDR; You see me as so repulsive that you cannot relate to others when it comes to me? 

At least you state your bias plainly. 

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lol so you think disability should pay for your vagina, too?

This coming from the douchebro who squawked the loudest at me and TK when we were on welfare?

 

Fucking hypocrite.

Now I'm tempted to tell you yes, do it, just so you'll be miserable  :P

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Xena said: 

lol so you think disability should pay for your vagina, too?

"Should" isn't really what I'm looking at, it's more about if I can design a budget around it. 

This coming from the douchebro who squawked the loudest at me and TK when we were on welfare?

Fucking hypocrite.

I went after life choices and bravado, not income sources. 

I'm not proud of being on government money, that makes no sense. 

Now I'm tempted to tell you yes, do it, just so you'll be miserable  :P

You think I'd be happy if I didn't do it? 

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