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I'm not sure how the process works. On one hand, I know people that do it have high suicide rates. But they're also discriminated against and some people treat them as subhuman. I think that's worth a thought--how you will be treated. But I assume you've already mapped that out. And if you did and you decide you really want to, I guess why not?

a lot of mtf trans i know, every guy who gets involved with them treats them like an untouchable. theyre sweet on them and willing to have sex in private but disown them in public. and the ones who do accept it may only do so because it looks good on their resume

Tryptamine said: 

I'm not sure how the process works.

For the surgery, they basically reshape what's there with the existing skin and otherwise tweak it until it's like a makeshift vagina. While it doesn't tend to lubricate as much as the real thing, it's been reported to still achieve sexual pleasure (albeit with different sensations). A lot of sexual pleasure for males is a matter of Kegals and Prostate stimulation, so it's not like fucking with one's penis in this way will remove sexual pleasure as long as their work has it all wired right. 

Estrogen paired with testosterone blockers meanwhile basically reshape the body through what's been referred to as "Second Puberty". Doing it later in life shows less changes than doing it earlier, but from my findings the results tend to be grosser looking around 40+. Over the course of two years I'd grow boobs out to about the 3/4 point of cisgendered growth, my skin will become softer, my muscle mass will diminish and otherwise reshape into a more feminine figure, and I otherwise should expect shifts in my behavior... much like you might see during puberty. It also apparently raises the odds of not going bald later in life, reduces body hair growth, is nice for skin quality, and I'm otherwise curious what it might do for my more automatic behaviors. 

Unfortunately my voice will be the same, but it can be trained to go into more feminine ranges (it's the most work of this entire process). Female to Male has their voices shift from some coating on the vocal chords or something, while Male to Female is stuck with said coating. I'm otherwise going to have some sperm stored somewhere in case I ever want a child. 

On one hand, I know people that do it have high suicide rates. But they're also discriminated against and some people treat them as subhuman.

It's worth figuring how many of them would have been suicidal if they weren't allowed to transition. 

I see it as an independent variable mostly based on one's environment, but otherwise I do question how much of it could be from the hormone rushes of the aforementioned "Second Puberty". An increase in emotional sensitivity and reactivity for MtF transitions for instance might send one over the edge who was otherwise only near it before potentially. 

I think a lot go into it expecting that "Life will get better" based on their environment and the people around them as opposed to their own sense of personal autonomy, plus some after transitioning feel like "It wasn't enough of a change". Many more would be likely to try this if turning back to what you once were was an option, and many discriminated against... well... didn't usually put in enough work to try to pass imo. 

I think that's worth a thought--how you will be treated.

I plan on trying to pass convincingly enough to not have them figuring I did anything to myself. I look feminine enough already and have had some decent times crossdressing, so I'm less worried about it than I would be if I was one of those 50+ MtF Ogres. 

If I am discriminated against overtly, that tells me that I'm not doing enough work to pass. I don't feel entitled to "special treatment" over some stupid special snowflake-isms, I'd rather people just look at me and feel like there's a woman there, blaming myself if my aesthetic doesn't sell it enough. 

But I assume you've already mapped that out. And if you did and you decide you really want to, I guess why not?

I do really want to, but it's so final. 

OK I guess a question I would have for you is, are you sure that you can pass as a woman? Not that I think you need to, but it does seem important to you. Because you would be blaming yourself if you didn't. And then I get to thinking of how you are going to be on yourself trying to convince people. What happens if you get the estrogen but you only become somewhat female-looking? I'm cross-examining because yeah, this is final.

To elaborate a bit, in my opinion it's your mind, it's your body. I think you should do what you want. But when you ask because you are hesitant, I don't want you to make a mistake. Your mind will change and you may not look how you want to. I personally think the physical aspect doesn't mean a ton, because the people who matter don't care about that. You are right about your mind changing too, because it will with the estrogen. If you were confident I probably wouldn't give a fuck, but your pause concerns me.

Tryptamine said: 

OK I guess a question I would have for you is, are you sure that you can pass as a woman? Not that I think you need to, but it does seem important to you.

It is important to me, as I am a conscientious objector of people who insist that I'm supposed to fit their sense of fantasy plainly because "society said so", and I do think I can from some past times crossdressing. If I can dress the part convincingly, then I feel that judging another tranny for not trying hard enough to pass becomes allowed. It's hard to not remain afraid of if I might not pass though based on watching other videos of people who seem... a little too confident in their appearance. Like, who's to say I'm not of a similar level of overconfidence? 

My body language and mannerisms tend to sell "fem" if not "unisex" depending on the observer, so other than aesthetic the other giveaway potentially would be my voice. Beyond that I've been self conscious about my shoulders being somewhat broad, but as I look at more women's figures I'm realizing that my own view of my own's a bit dysmorphic. 

Because you would be blaming yourself if you didn't.

I would be, and the above I just typed demonstrates it plainly. I think I could pass, and that I'm lucky enough to have it more reflect the effort I put into it instead of the unfortunate, bulkier circumstances I've seen from others who wanted what I do. I find myself judging trans people who don't try hard enough to pass pretty hard, so naturally that must be projective of my own self-views. 

The thing is, I sit here as a male figure blaming myself for not looking masculine nor feminine enough despite preferring to appear fem. I tried on masculinity because "I was supposed to" for so long and... it just doesn't fit at all, it feels completely unnatural, while fem themes seem to work out better for my own personal comforts without using the potential enabling of one's environment as the why. 

This is something I've wanted since I was six, and spent a lot of my life telling myself I'd never have from figuring that it'd never get better than a Tijuana botch job, but... I actually see where the stuff is now as promising based on my current form by comparison and find myself feeling less "defeated" by the idea that it's something I could never do. 

And then I get to thinking of how you are going to be on yourself trying to convince people. What happens if you get the estrogen but you only become somewhat female-looking?

It'd be for me to consider then... but I dunno, I might succumb to surgery like Contrapoints did if it's not good enough. 

Traquea shaving for example is something offered to pass more convincingly, but that shit's scary and can actually limit your vocal range. I suspect post-transition that a lot of my learning curve will be accepting this new form for it's masculine hints and potential give aways, but at the start I'm liable to try to be a lot more self-judgmental. 

I'm cross-examining because yeah, this is final.

You don't have to justify to me why you're cross-examining, I made this topic for a mix of that and to open the floor for those who might feel weird otherwise talking about it at me. 

I don't want fucking LGBTQ Leftist sympathies, they say "no matter what you do is good enough" in this territory which is something I fundamentally don't believe in. If women already have to work hard to look "like a woman", then why shouldn't a man in a female form be stuck with similar constraints? 

I'm open to quote unquote "insulting" rationale as well, and hope people don't pussy out of it because "It's what they're supposed to do". 

What do you think the tradeoff is from being an effeminate male to appearing female as well? Since the latter half is a process.

Go ahead as long as you keep the cock

I want to watch it flop as I ram you from the behind

The only reason I could think of to not transition would be if you hadn't given it enough thought or looked into the process enough- but based on your previous comments you seem familiar with the process. The first step would be to start estrogen for awhile before a doctor would agree to perform the surgery. If you start the hormonal transiition then decide you don't like the changes you are experiencing you can stop taking them so it's a good non-permanent way to test the waters and move towards the permanent changes you desire.

Emotionally be ready for the different way you will be treated by society. Trans women and effeminate males don't receive the same treatment. Stay safe.