Turns out actual leftists do not want a party that is obsessed with appealing to the right so they can seem mature and moderate.
Frankly, the left doesn't know what they want so much as what they don't want.
tc people are tired of liberalism over socialism
Life begins at conception.
So the minute the spooge touches their eggs it suddenly means something, and you aren't demonizing people for taking precautionary measures to prevent fertilization?
I said the embryo is dispelled every month naturally. It's what a period is. The embryo isn't fertilized.
Aren't condoms and birth control killing just as many children if not more children than abortions do? What has you draw the line there, the condition of the egg?
It's pregnancy avoidance. There's a difference. Preventing pregnancy isn't abortion.
What separates that from how it was prior to contact being made? They don't even have nerve endings yet, let alone enough of a functional brain to form true thoughts and memories. They might as well be a biology experiment at that point, they aren't a person yet. If the child was terminated there's no investment lost over how they never experienced anything.
You yourself were once at that stage in your making. You also believe in later term abortion and in other cases you believed in killing babies after they were born.
Is the early stage fetus important ? Of course it is.
That is true for yourself as well.My folks only planned on one kid and aborted those who would have come before me. If not for that, I would not exist.
It could have been fuck you and cheers to them. So lucky you.
By contrast to the typical pro-life message, I actually am only alive because of pro-choice values.
Your Mother's decision to keep you is pro life.
If my folks were pro-life it'd be some other older human demonstrating a recombination of their genetic material rather than myself. I wouldn't have suddenly had an older brother if things went differently, I straight up never would have been born.
Abortion is something I can be thankful for when it comes to why I am alive today through the exact same logic as pro-life people claiming anti-abortion ideals are why they exist. I'm sure you see how that serves to invert my presentation of an otherwise typical argument when I can attribute Abortion as to why I am alive, rather than why I could have been dead.
It's still demented to think it's fine killing babies. You're thankful for not being aborted after all. That's very selfish in my opinion.
Abortion was left up to the states to decide. Half of the states abortion is legal. Including yours.So... I'm just supposed to ignore the other 17 or so states where it's still shitty, and I'm supposed to ignore the earlier proposed idea over having the state on their ID lock them in to those laws even if they go to a different state?
It should be everyone's right, and where I live it very easily could have come out the other way. I also can't find it in myself to feel entirely secure in knowing that I'm getting a benefit that other Americans aren't afforded. I don't feel comfortable looking at 1/3 of the US and shrugging off the problem just because it doesn't affect me directly.
The world has bigger concerns. The majority spoke. Some women will have to travel if they want to kill their child.
I don't believe women who get abortions want children. Or some punishment or whatever.
Yeah they don't want children, that's why they got an abortion.
You have demonstrated that you see it as effectively their fault, and that they ought to express more caution to avoid said fault. My question is moreover why a woman choosing to freely have sex makes her out to be a bad person, save for the STD risk, and for that matter why you would vote in policies that serve to punish said women for accidental fertilization when you've never even met these people and it'd serve to have the same people who'd make these mistakes produce more children prone to the same errors as their parents.
Where I'm from people take accountability for their actions. Most unplanned pregnancies happen by consent. That doesn't dispel what I said about women not wanting the children either. Yes women need to practice caution.
Are those the kinds of people you want procreating? Haven't you seen Idiocracy? Much like the case with 4B I'd think you'd see it as your political enemy doing you a favor, considering within Pro-Choice constraints that Pro-Life women would do the exact same thing they'd do during a Pro-Life victory... meaning more right wing babies over what I'd figure is you calling them "sensible" or something.
Interesting how you bring up that movie. I did mention somewhere around here how women who keep getting abortion after abortion aren't too bright, while in idiocracy it was the stupid people procreating. While you're critical of what I've said in terms of intelligence, it's fancy to see you talking about abortion doing me some favor because they are stupid.
That's ultimately the Pro-Choice paradox: The ones "smart" enough to make the choice to abort end up producing less voters for the next generation, which in time risks phasing out said Pro-Choice values by the virtue of them having had them in the first place.
Families still get torn by politics. Saw a headline about some lady killing her Father over the election. He probably voted for Trump. I assume so cause Conservatives tend to be more chill.
The victory had more to do with the economy. Trump brought a lot of people into politics and for the first time ever it seems, more people opened their eyes and saw the establishment and how full of shit they are.Trump promised to help American Coal Miners before completely abandoning them during his time as president.
We'll see. Trump had 4 years in office so far, he delivered most of his promises. Arizona still gave him a landslide victory in that state.
I agree that the victory had tie-ins with the economy, but moreover the perception of it rather than the actual stats. Groceries were a common subject discussed when it came to economic struggle over how they were one of the biggest problems, which is less the economy's fault so much as the economy was a victim of grocery corporate greed via a lack of government oversight.
Biden is also the worst president in history. Obama's puppet on a string that one.
The DNC doesn't really care about the LGBTQ either, they changed their stance on it during the Obama era. Hillary was against gay marriage so was Obama, then they changed at the same time, and it brought in votes.
Biden was against marijuana yet he still allowed that bill to pass, in general he's allowed for things that were once against his young age policies. We can't look at the character they had so much as the policies they're willing to write in when both sides are "evil" and pander to corporations and foreign interests. Our leadership has always been a mercenary culture and that's not missed on me, but one of them represents issues I'd prefer over the other as a matter of autonomy for those who haven't been given the same privileges.
It's another taxable commodity. Canada did it too. People like weed and it's the people the Dems need to impress.
I wasn't always so right wing. As Tim Pool put it, who is a liberal "The left has swung so far left, I'm closer to the right".
At this point I see the left swinging right more in general than they once did, or they're "protesting" the voting process by abstaining or voting for a third party candidate.
Harris is pretty fucking right-leaning for a democrat and other people running for office sold out their own party's values, and many struggled to ignore that who otherwise feel abandoned by their pandering to the opposition.
Harris wanted gender affirming surgery for prison inmates. No way is she right leaning. Tulsi is the real deal. Everything that came out of her mouth was what the public is calling word salad. Nothing of value.
I myself voted Liberal for the 2015 federal election. It's not so much that I'm some hard Conservative. I like Trump cause he's not really about the Republican party. They too are afraid of him because he's willing to weed out the bad ones, and I respect that.
Dude I know he's not a Republican, it's the fact he's not that makes me find him scarier honestly.
He's a business man, and he's shown a questionable history over delegation practices. I can't just ignore his career pre-politics when he's harkening to a lot of the same issues, it feels like an echo where the most dangerous parts aren't even his fault directly so much as who he was willing to hire to do the job for him. He's a delegator and his luck's at best a coin flip, even his people from his first term flipped on him.
The people liked the 4 years of Trump. He's going to bring down the deep state. The same people who have been selling out the US for a long time. I think there will be more attempts on his life while the masses love him. When you're a multi billionaire people people will try to sue you every single day. They'll write books and smear you. People want money. This whole year with all of these court cases are politically motivated smear campaigns, and some people believe it. Same with Russian hoax, same with a list of other things.
I like Pierre Poilievre because of his boldness in Parliament and his policies I agree with. I vote based on policy, not because some party instilled a victim mentality into me.
I feel like escaping the existing systems of control is essentially impossible, they account for those who want to feel like they're different but at the end of the day it's just more statistics for those with power.
There aren't good candidates, there's candidates who are less shitty than their opponent, and politics itself rather than finding better leaders has instead decided to lean in on that expectation as part of their strategy.
After 11 years Canada started hating Prime Minister Stephen Harper, but after Trudeau, we'd LOVE to have him back. We really took for granted how good we had it. Poilievre will axe the carbon tax. While Canadians are struggling ( Seriously it's pretty fucked up ) Trudeau wants to issue a new house tax. That will only cause renters to increase their pricing and a lot of people here rent. The carbon tax causes food prices to go up. Trudeau is so desperate for money, not knowing how to fix the economy he's bleeding Canadians dry. Even the Liberal Party is trying to dethrone him. All Poilievre has to do is be better than Trudeau, but if he's on Trump's level that God.
Aren't condoms and birth control killing just as many children if not more children than abortions do? What has you draw the line there, the condition of the egg?
It's pregnancy avoidance. There's a difference. Preventing pregnancy isn't abortion.
I agree with this statement, the two are different things entirely and your noting this helps for splitting your views from those otherwise roughly adjacent to yours.
A major area I see splitting us apart is over when it'd be considered to have, for lack of a better word, a "soul". Classically from views similar to yours they will go with it being "alive" at the point of contact as establishing the first point it could be considered. From there you have a series of consesions for when it is or isn't acceptable that follow that benchmark:
Post-Coitus: Neither is even sure a pregnancy has occurred.
Pre-4 weeks: The mother-to-be might not even have morning sickness yet.
6 weeks in: The fetus has a heartbeat.
20 weeks in: The fetus can feel pain.
36 weeks in: Baby is born and no longer connected to the body.
3 to 4 years old: The child begins to retain memories of specific experiences rather than conditioned responses, after spending years as not much more than an animal.
Is there a point on the above timeline where it becomes less acceptable to rid of them, such as the Post-Coitus stage when going for 'The Morning After Pill' rather than Birth Control prior to intercourse?
By contrast to the typical pro-life message, I actually am only alive because of pro-choice values.
Your Mother's decision to keep you is pro life.
No, it's actually Pro-Choice. If there were no prior abortions as a matter of principal then it'd be Pro-Life, but in this case she'd chosen not to have a child until she felt she was ready, then she chose to have one.
It's called Pro-Choice because they are given an option, it's not like it's called Pro-Abortion. Had there been no choice it'd be Pro-Life, and in such a setting I wouldn't exist in favor of an earlier load's genetic material.
If my folks were pro-life it'd be some other older human demonstrating a recombination of their genetic material rather than myself. I wouldn't have suddenly had an older brother if things went differently, I straight up never would have been born.
Abortion is something I can be thankful for when it comes to why I am alive today through the exact same logic as pro-life people claiming anti-abortion ideals are why they exist. I'm sure you see how that serves to invert my presentation of an otherwise typical argument when I can attribute Abortion as to why I am alive, rather than why I could have been dead.It's still demented to think it's fine killing babies. You're thankful for not being aborted after all. That's very selfish in my opinion.
My statement there goes as far as to show how the same rhetoric over Pro-Life can easily be turned on it's head via Pro-Choice, over how this quote-unquote "killing of babies" is what allowed me to exist.
Also as a matter of economics this allowed my family, and families like mine, to have had the time to finish their educations and secure themselves in the work force with above-average wealth as a dual income household. The irony in supporting Pro-Life bills is that it actually hurts the stability of the single family household rather than fixing it. 
By ridding of abortion programs you're more liable to see a reduction in education and financial security over having families start before the parents are ready. It ends up hurting men as well in these couples over how now they have to focus on Education, Work, and Family at the same time. The majority end up dropping out of university and never really find the means of picking it back up.
Abortion was left up to the states to decide. Half of the states abortion is legal. Including yours.So... I'm just supposed to ignore the other 17 or so states where it's still shitty, and I'm supposed to ignore the earlier proposed idea over having the state on their ID lock them in to those laws even if they go to a different state?
It should be everyone's right, and where I live it very easily could have come out the other way. I also can't find it in myself to feel entirely secure in knowing that I'm getting a benefit that other Americans aren't afforded. I don't feel comfortable looking at 1/3 of the US and shrugging off the problem just because it doesn't affect me directly.The world has bigger concerns. The majority spoke. Some women will have to travel if they want to kill their child.
Unless they do that ID lock shit they were bringing up years back when this was first being proposed, then you'd outright need to leave the country to do it.
Where I'm from people take accountability for their actions. Most unplanned pregnancies happen by consent.
I would say getting an abortion is taking accountability, while having a child before they're ready for one is irresponsible.
That doesn't dispel what I said about women not wanting the children either. Yes women need to practice caution.
This style of language has a way of putting focus on the women moreso than the men. It takes two to get someone pregnant, both ought to practice caution right?
Are those the kinds of people you want procreating? Haven't you seen Idiocracy? Much like the case with 4B I'd think you'd see it as your political enemy doing you a favor, considering within Pro-Choice constraints that Pro-Life women would do the exact same thing they'd do during a Pro-Life victory... meaning more right wing babies over what I'd figure is you calling them "sensible" or something.
Interesting how you bring up that movie. I did mention somewhere around here how women who keep getting abortion after abortion aren't too bright, while in idiocracy it was the stupid people procreating. While you're critical of what I've said in terms of intelligence, it's fancy to see you talking about abortion doing me some favor because they are stupid.
They had it as 'stupid people procreating' over how the situation wasn't really a choice for them as readily as it was for the wealthier couple that ended up with no children.
It's otherwise me asking you within your premise and constraints: Wouldn't you like it if The Left aborted while The Right did not, simultaneously, in order to secure a Right Wing America decades down the line?
That's ultimately the Pro-Choice paradox: The ones "smart" enough to make the choice to abort end up producing less voters for the next generation, which in time risks phasing out said Pro-Choice values by the virtue of them having had them in the first place.
Families still get torn by politics. Saw a headline about some lady killing her Father over the election. He probably voted for Trump. I assume so cause Conservatives tend to be more chill.
Disagree, not so much to make it a contest between which is worse so much as stating that both flip the fuck out when challenged more often than not.
The victory had more to do with the economy. Trump brought a lot of people into politics and for the first time ever it seems, more people opened their eyes and saw the establishment and how full of shit they are.Trump promised to help American Coal Miners before completely abandoning them during his time as president.
We'll see. Trump had 4 years in office so far, he delivered most of his promises.
Going to agree to disagree over this area. Even outside of my room to talk about all the areas he blundered via delegation and a lack of technical understanding over the office he holds, a lot of his ideas were also shot down by the government itself (ex: Space Force).
Even if we can't agree on if Trump stood to do a good job or not, I feel like we can agree on how his relationship with the US government had a lot of tug-of-war to the point of shutting plans down if not at least slowing them down.
I agree that the victory had tie-ins with the economy, but moreover the perception of it rather than the actual stats. Groceries were a common subject discussed when it came to economic struggle over how they were one of the biggest problems, which is less the economy's fault so much as the economy was a victim of grocery corporate greed via a lack of government oversight.
Biden is also the worst president in history. Obama's puppet on a string that one.
There are worse presidents in US history than Biden. I understand that the guy has a colorful history of racism, has made some surprising blunders like with him trying to appeal to Native Americans fairly recently essentially backfiring over the timing, him forgetting important names during what should be sympathetic events, he's been very pro-war while funneling tons of cash into it, that he's been far more pro-drilling than I'm comfortable with, and in many respects feels to me like a Right-Wing Leftist...
...but I still wouldn't say he's the worst, there's some pretty wild shit the further back you go in history. While he isn't exactly popular I'd still go with Nixon getting a worse reception.
Nothing about the grocery price hikes though? Can we agree that it was over the grocery companies gouging their customers during a very opportune time to do so rather than it being related to the government? Unemployment has even gone down, the only real issue is Inflation which takes more than 4 years to fix.
It's another taxable commodity. Canada did it too. People like weed and it's the people the Dems need to impress.
I'm fully aware that they only caved into the demand because it was demanded, similar to many leftists claiming to be pro-LGBTQ.
A lot of it's an act to impress people, but when I recognize both sides as corrupt it has me inclined to go for the corruption that supports my values rather than opposing them. It's not like purity is an angle that can really be appealed to this time around.
Harris wanted gender affirming surgery for prison inmates. No way is she right leaning. Tulsi is the real deal. Everything that came out of her mouth was what the public is calling word salad. Nothing of value.
About as Right Wing as a Californian can be, she wasn't exactly popular with the locals over her quick convictions that she claimed were meant to be about rehabilitation. She brags about how she owns a Glock, is openly pro-war and tried to be hush-hush about being pro-drilling, was heavily against even the weaker drugs until it was no longer topical to have those views, and stayed silent over other areas that The Left wouldn't want to hear.
She was appealing to her base, when I think at her core it doesn't come across naturally. In general The Left has been given a real shortage when it comes to people they actually want to vote for, and many recognized that it was over picking who you hate the least rather than who you actually believe in.
The people liked the 4 years of Trump. He's going to bring down the deep state.
No one's taking down The Deep State, that is beyond optimistic. Even before going into Trump's connections and history, this is The Deep State. That swamp's too thick to drain.
I think it's closer to people forgetting how the first four years went while comparing it to recent perceived experiences. There were a lot of Republicans who used to feel embarrassed to be associated with his time as president and many of his former employees turned on him when given the chance, but after him came Biden, so...
When you're a multi billionaire people people will try to sue you every single day. They'll write books and smear you. People want money. This whole year with all of these court cases are politically motivated smear campaigns, and some people believe it.
Same with Russian hoax, same with a list of other things.
I would love to hear your POV over what in particular you think is a hoax. From what I can tell from Putin's recent behavior, he promoted Trump and then directly after his victory was assured... has tried to shame him on the air with lewds of his wife being publicly broadcast.
There's also clearly Russian bots that do chop shop copy paste jobs between videos comment walls to adjust how the US is perceived by other countries as well as our own.
Same with Russian hoax, same with a list of other things.I would love to hear your POV over what in particular you think is a hoax. From what I can tell from Putin's recent behavior, he promoted Trump and then directly after his victory was assured... has tried to shame him on the air with lewds of his wife being publicly broadcast.
There's also clearly Russian bots that do chop shop copy paste jobs between videos comment walls to adjust how the US is perceived by other countries as well as our own.
Isn't his sexy wife Russian?
Same with Russian hoax, same with a list of other things.I would love to hear your POV over what in particular you think is a hoax. From what I can tell from Putin's recent behavior, he promoted Trump and then directly after his victory was assured... has tried to shame him on the air with lewds of his wife being publicly broadcast.
There's also clearly Russian bots that do chop shop copy paste jobs between videos comment walls to adjust how the US is perceived by other countries as well as our own.Isn't his sexy wife Russian?
I don't see how this adds or takes away from Putin shaming Trump through nudes of his wife on public television so soon after hearing Trump, someone he'd just claimed to admire for "being a man" when he survived an assassination attempt, had won. Naturally people are presuming it's meant to demonstrate Putin's stranglehold over Trump, a public display meant to show the world who has the bigger dick.
The craziest part is moreover how Trump isn't going to do a damn thing about it, he's made it pretty clear that, regardless of if they have power over him or not (with enough history to suggest they do) it demonstrates a Pecking Order, it demonstrates Trump's fear as enough to make him submit when that is very much not in his nature to do.
It's immediately led to articles like the following, and Trump hates this kind of shit:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-yes-russian-state-204400985.html
https://www.soapcentral.com/human-interest/news-its-way-saying-control-trump-internet-reacts-russian-state-tv-reportedly-airing-melania-s-explicit-photos-trump-s-win
Her defense is effectively:
"Why do I stand proudly behind my nude modeling work? The more pressing question is: Why has the media chosen to scrutinize my celebration of the human form in a fashion photo shoot?”
She continued, as seen in a video on X:
"Are we no longer able to appreciate the beauty of the human body? Throughout history, master artists have revered the human shape, evoking profound emotions and admiration. We should honor our bodies and embrace the timeless tradition of using art as a powerful means of self expression."
Notice how she's trying to make light of it, rather than express outrage at the implications made or what this move on Russia's part represents. She has already come to his defense over other issues, yet here she's trying to deflect it?
Christians aren't going to like this shit.
The Russia investigation ended. They found the FBI made "missteps" as they put it.
It's a Nothing Burger. The original Nothing Burger to be exact. Though, I can see the MSM did quite a number on you Nate. You might notice they don't even talk about it anymore after pushing the bullshit story for a solid 2 years and will never bring it up again. They told you Trump will bring Project 2025 and you gobbled that up too.
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As for Christians and Melania's nudes. Christians like that shit too, plus they follow Christ's example. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
Christianity preaches love and forgiveness. That everyone sins, and that Christ paid for our sins so we can have eternal life.
In my personal opinion we'll reap what we've sown, and if we lack forgiveness, then we won't be forgiven and that alone will be hellish if we had to go unforgiven for all of eternity.
Though, I can see the MSM did quite a number on you Nate. You might notice they don't even talk about it anymore after pushing the bullshit story for a solid 2 years and will never bring it up again. They told you Trump will bring Project 2025 and you gobbled that up too.
I'm guessing you meant MSN right? I tried googling MSM to be sure of what you meant to say, but google just showed me supplements. If you want to get on my case there though as a matter of sources, I'm more of a Youtube watcher when it comes to the news and I try to check both sides for prompts and research points afterwards.
For Project 2025, when you look at the people involved, the training tape interviews, it's clear that Trump distanced himself from how much the name became shameful to be adjacent to. His statement about abortions in Florida deviated enough to risk elements of his own voter base, but served to distance the perception of his connections with P25.
His proposals in Agenda 47 aren't fleshed out, they're claims more than proposals, while P25 actually gave a plan for how those things, and others, could be done. It's hard to imagine that this wouldn't be at least somewhat implemented into his term as President when people who helped co-write it are a part of his crew.
As for Christians and Melania's nudes. Christians like that shit too, plus they follow Christ's example. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
So you're telling me that Trump, the multiple-divorcee who cheated on his wives, isn't going to look worse to Christians when they see that his wife also poses lewds for a public magazine?
Christianity preaches love and forgiveness. That everyone sins, and that Christ paid for our sins so we can have eternal life.
How many enact that love and forgiveness though, rather than playing the role of judge in spite of how the book claims they shouldn't do that?
When I say "Christians", I mean the people who call themselves that. True Christianity would say it's not their place to judge and worry about their own well being instead.
In my personal opinion we'll reap what we've sown, and if we lack forgiveness, then we won't be forgiven and that alone will be hellish if we had to go unforgiven for all of eternity.
So what're your thoughts on Putin flashing Melania's lewds from 2000 on Russian State TV, right after saying how much he respects him only like three months ago?
I can't help but feel like this demonstration made was for more than embarrassing Trump, it's a power flex towards the entire world meant to subconsciously establish the perception of rank. Trump appeared too confident when he stated he could "handle" Russia, so Russia had to prove to everyone who's handling who.
I would love to hear your POV over what in particular you think is a hoax. From what I can tell from Putin's recent behavior, he promoted Trump and then directly after his victory was assured... has tried to shame him on the air with lewds of his wife being publicly broadcast.
There's also clearly Russian bots that do chop shop copy paste jobs between videos comment walls to adjust how the US is perceived by other countries as well as our own.Isn't his sexy wife Russian?
The craziest part is moreover how Trump isn't going to do a damn thing about it, he's made it pretty clear that, regardless of if they have power over him or not (with enough history to suggest they do) it demonstrates a Pecking Order, it demonstrates Trump's fear as enough to make him submit when that is very much not in his nature to do.
Let's see what Trump's future actions are. Wait and see.
What history? I don't remember any Trump Russia issues. Did I miss something?
