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Chaotik said: 

It's clear the problem of biases against either sex will always persist as each will have negative experiences, and irrationally those negative experiences will grow to envelope the perception of all women, expectations of each through what is considered the norm also. 

You act as if we're entering a Patriarchy, rather than having already been in one. 

If only enough Patriarchs understood that Feminism isn't them trying to rebrand existing Patriarchy into a Matriarchy. 

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Even as satire, I know such fetishists actually exist. 

As a piece of satire, the ignored factor is over the likelihood of passing enough for these people. 

There's plenty who won't fuck Blaire White. 

kuhne said: 

What rights are being taken away? Name them.

  The right to abortion was literally abolished. What rights do people have and should have? Let me guess, the right to bourgeoisie speech (racism, sexism, etc.) and to own a firearm but not much else.

It's less what rights are being taken away, and moreso that they're being taken away when the rights hadn't even become equal in the first place. Men set the goalposts via privilege and women are stuck dealing with what men think they should and shouldn't have. 

In many cases both genders have the same rights but aren't being granted the same privileges, and then in others men blatantly have an easier time. Thankfully though we're still seeing some level of progress, like for instance women beginning to dominate in college when it comes to progress when compared to males. 

We're... going to have to wait through some shit, and hope enough of it is intense enough to trigger a Progressive Backlash. 

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What rights does a western man have, that their western counterparts do not ?

( Real counterparts with wombs only please. )

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kuhne said: 

What rights are being taken away? Name them.

 

  The right to abortion was literally abolished. What rights do people have and should have? Let me guess, the right to bourgeoisie speech (racism, sexism, etc.) and to own a firearm but not much else.

Try again. it's dummies like you that deserve communism.

You can't think for yourself. You have no idea what reality is.

Where is it written that abortion is a right? Why am I even wasting my time talking to you, fucking moron.

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Chaotik said: 

It's clear the problem of biases against either sex will always persist as each will have negative experiences, and irrationally those negative experiences will grow to envelope the perception of all women, expectations of each through what is considered the norm also. 

You act as if we're entering a Patriarchy, rather than having already been in one. 

If only enough Patriarchs understood that Feminism isn't them trying to rebrand existing Patriarchy into a Matriarchy. 

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Even as satire, I know such fetishists actually exist. 

As a piece of satire, the ignored factor is over the likelihood of passing enough for these people. 

There's plenty who won't fuck Blaire White. 

kuhne said: 

What rights are being taken away? Name them.

  The right to abortion was literally abolished. What rights do people have and should have? Let me guess, the right to bourgeoisie speech (racism, sexism, etc.) and to own a firearm but not much else.

It's less what rights are being taken away, and moreso that they're being taken away when the rights hadn't even become equal in the first place. Men set the goalposts via privilege and women are stuck dealing with what men think they should and shouldn't have. 

In many cases both genders have the same rights but aren't being granted the same privileges, and then in others men blatantly have an easier time. Thankfully though we're still seeing some level of progress, like for instance women beginning to dominate in college when it comes to progress when compared to males. 

We're... going to have to wait through some shit, and hope enough of it is intense enough to trigger a Progressive Backlash. 

Once again, no examples or facts just opinion.

You can say what you want, reality is much different.

There are many women CEO's making tons of money, explain that away with your opinion.

 

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Chaotik said: 

 You're wrong because anti-natalism is the perfect checkmate against oppression and capitalism that rigs all odds against the little guy.
The beauty of it is, even if the capitalists win, they will have to deal with their own system as they so deeply count on people procreating beneath or inbetween them.

Malthusian concepts such as anti-natalism plays into the hands of the bourgeoisie, you think they want more mouths to feed? You're just a misanthrope. You can claim to be anti-capitalist all you want but it's clear you've bought into the poison of Trotskyite garbage such as academia produced by the Congress for Cultural Freedom. The problem with most of "leftists" is that they are all miserable freaks who are concerned with identity, or sex, or whatever other retarded nonsense, hence your misanthropy, and have completely lost the mission of Communism, economic liberation for the Proletariat.

 They want more mouths that can be exploited, for sure. They don't care about how they get fed. These next generations have no chance of economic liberation.
What I'm saying is not malthusian, it's a tactical retreat.
But sure, have children and send them to the slaughter/pedo house of capitalism, that'll show 'em.

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kuhne said: 
kuhne said: 

What rights are being taken away? Name them.

 

  The right to abortion was literally abolished. What rights do people have and should have? Let me guess, the right to bourgeoisie speech (racism, sexism, etc.) and to own a firearm but not much else.

Try again. it's dummies like you that deserve communism.

You can't think for yourself. You have no idea what reality is.

 Says the guy that doesn't understand where money comes from or pretends not to. Of course deep down the fascists don't really bother you, because what do you get when you strip away socialism in favor of state-capital? There is no distinguishable difference between the harm that type of elitist thinking causes and the harm directly racist fascists cause.

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What rights does a western man have, that their western counterparts do not ?

( Real counterparts with wombs only please. )

Bodily autonomy's the common answer right now, but a lot of what's left as issues are related to safety, economics, being accepted into leadership roles, and double standards within gender perception these days. 

Obviously there's other countries where it's worse, I'm not denying that, but progress shouldn't go to a grinding halt when doing better than their neighbors. 

That being said, there are states within the US where women are treated blatantly as second class citizens, and even within more relatively progressive or socially modernized states you still see them treated as if "weak" or "ineffective" when compared with a man. This is not an issue as a matter of rights on paper so much as the perception by society that works against equal opportunity, and that's going to take social change rather than changing the system itself. 

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What rights does a western man have, that their western counterparts do not ?

( Real counterparts with wombs only please. )

Bodily autonomy's the common answer right now, but a lot of what's left as issues are related to safety, economics, being accepted into leadership roles, and double standards within gender perception these days. 

Obviously there's other countries where it's worse, I'm not denying that, but progress shouldn't go to a grinding halt when doing better than their neighbors. 

That being said, there are states within the US where women are treated blatantly as second class citizens, and even within more relatively progressive or socially modernized states you still see them treated as if "weak" or "ineffective" when compared with a man. This is not an issue as a matter of rights on paper so much as the perception by society that works against equal opportunity, and that's going to take social change rather than changing the system itself. 

 Which states?  Which professions or roles?  Please be specific.

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What rights does a western man have, that their western counterparts do not ?

( Real counterparts with wombs only please. )

Bodily autonomy's the common answer right now, but a lot of what's left as issues are related to safety, economics, being accepted into leadership roles, and double standards within gender perception these days. 

When a couple has a kid on the way, and the man wants the kid but the woman wants to abort it, then who gets their way ? Keep in mind abortion isn't banned. 

There are many women in leadership roles in various businesses and governments. Some of them are world leaders too. In the US no one really liked Hillary and Harris though. Tulsi Gabbard will make an excellent Madam President though. 

I've had many jobs. Worked in construction 3 times, and I only saw a woman with a hardhat once ever. Not really sure what she did but she was cleaner than the rest of us and always smiling. Probably was getting paid more while we were breaking out backs piecing the place together. 

 


Obviously there's other countries where it's worse, I'm not denying that, but progress shouldn't go to a grinding halt when doing better than their neighbors.

As a reminder, most pro lifers are women. What you call "progress" has been obstructed by democracy left up to the states. 

Many women, including school girls aren't comfortable taking showers with men in the changeroom, or in the washroom. Some people who are against that are women also. 

Women are not to be called cis women, while men take the name woman for themselves and crush them at sports. That is wrong on so many levels. Nor is it good to groom children to choose a gender from kindergarten while they are still in development then fuck them up with puberty blockers and other forms of experimental mutilation. 

To many people, actually, the majority, none of that shit is okay. You can still be as you are, but it's not cool to lawfully force compliance when people find such cases pretentious.

 



That being said, there are states within the US where women are treated blatantly as second class citizens, and even within more relatively progressive or socially modernized states you still see them treated as if "weak" or "ineffective" when compared with a man. This is not an issue as a matter of rights on paper so much as the perception by society that works against equal opportunity, and that's going to take social change rather than changing the system itself. 

Sounds like victim mentality. 

You ever see this trans complain about the downside of being a guy ? How easy women have it. 

Women are born with inherent value, it then dwindles with time. They cling onto their beauty as they age. Women are generally treated better than men even when they're no longer in their prime. 

What does "treated as weak" even mean ? Are they generally being smacked around by men at the daycare or hospital ? In the office perhaps ?

In my opinion most people are ineffective at most things, it's why we tend to specialize in a trade and go for it. Feminists usually encourage women to compete with men in fields they themselves are not a part of. Fields that are usually male dominated. 

There wasn't too many female digital animators when I did it. I remember this one in college, we were doing walk cycles. I said I'm doing a sexy walk cycle and she instantly started competing with me. She used to laugh and joke around a lot in class, get guys to help her out. One time she brought a guy friend and introduced him to everyone ( except me lol ) I was finalizing my first project. My first time batching rendering, I had about a dozen computers sending frames to a server. She was way behind and not even close to finishing. She was in trouble, and she says to me "You better not hog up all of the computers !" She was pissed. I just told her if she starts batching rendering then I'll give her half. 

There are other stories when it comes to that one but the point I'm making is I found her to be more of a distraction or a hindrance. She was all about taking me out. I had the best final project and she'd fight tooth and nail to insist to be the last for critiques, which is suicide. Never go after the best when the instructors are judging.   

In the field I had this one female she was a type of manager, and we were doing something on the side. Boss wanted to branch out and make action figures and use 3D printing and wanted a colour 3D printer. I told him they are shit, but he wouldn't hear it. He was about to spend a fortune on some crazy ass machine that will end up making a model that was as durable as shortbread, which would've been an issue when we get into casting. So the female manager assigned me to write her a report on what's the best method to go about this, which machines are best, why not use this and that etc. I submitted 2 pages, and she was so impressed. She was like THATS TALLENT ! But y'know, I pretty much did her job for her. I'm the CG guy and it I wasn't get paid to do her work. She was also my superior, for some reason, but whatever.  She also got credit for saving the day. The boss himself was very obnoxious. Maybe even envious. I think he'd always want to undermine me as a way of making me work harder or avoid paying me more, cause I was the true #1 and everyone knew it. 

That field is male dominated, and while I've seen ineffectiveness in men, I've seen it in women just about every single time. 

If a western woman waits around for a man to tell her what to do, that's on her. In many cases they do nothing then blame men for them not doing anything as if men are supposed to tone it down for the ladies and not apply themselves to opportunities. In 2024 everyone is having a hard time. Then..... There are those women are good at what they do and have good positions, but you don't want to talk about them do you. 

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Turncoat said:
You act as if we're entering a Patriarchy, rather than having already been in one.

If only enough Patriarchs understood that Feminism isn't them trying to rebrand existing Patriarchy into a Matriarchy.

I don't think I was acting as if we are entering Patriarchy, I just think we live in an eroded one that has been twisted and forsaken. I was just rambling the inherent grievances between either sex. What we live in now is a sad excuse for a traditional patriarchal society. Men aren't men anymore, and I am not perfect either but a lot of them are degenerate freaks who want a tradwife but don't want to be traditional themselves, only someone who can cook, clean, and fuck them while they contribute nothing to society. (Not saying all men but a lot of the guys I see piss me off.) The nuclear family is dead, unless you have a great paying job. 

I don't like abortion, but I do believe there are exceptions and my thing is, rather than focusing on abortion itself, I wish we could address the issues that lead to abortions, a shitty society eroded by mental illness, and economic issues, single moms can barely get by. The goal should be to eradicate the need for an abortion to begin with. 

I didn't vote, I'm not registered to vote as I reject giving legitimacy to this system but the idea that voting Kamala would've saved abortion rights is absurd, there was no guarantee, and this 4b movement shit is just sad. I'm more concerned with economic issues, WWIII, etc than the facade of rights 

Dragoonback said:
They want more mouths that can be exploited, for sure. They don't care about how they get fed. These next generations have no chance of economic liberation.
What I'm saying is not malthusian, it's a tactical retreat.
But sure, have children and send them to the slaughter/pedo house of capitalism, that'll show 'em.

 Just sounds like miserable defeatism to me. A multi-polar world is inevitable and the bourgeoisie are damned. I do intend to have kids, because the idea of the world not being perfect enough to have them is meh to me. Even when our species wasn't the top of the food chain, we still reproduced. I see no sense in moralizing it. Yea, we live in an evil system but I have faith we will prevail. I have faith that when Trump isn't able to keep his promises to the majority of blue collar workers who voted for him, they will be able to start waking up to the corruption of our system. The times are now are way crazier than in 2016. 

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