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Golden_Eagle said:

What's the alternative to tolerance though? 

Are you saying it'd be better to correctively bully these people, a demographic already more prone to suicide than the norm? 

Tolerance my ass. This is not about tolerence in exchange for fucking up the kids and sinking the west. 

I'd suggest setting boundaries back to where it was. 

And those boundaries were... what? Complete intolerance and bullying right? 

So your solution is bullying a demographic that is already more prone to suicide than normal, because of how some people living their truth might inspire others to do the same. 

I'm sure you see how this could look intolerant to someone like me who felt trans before any of this trending shit even started. I had to live through where the boundaries were before and it felt fucking awful. 

I once heard Blair White say something along the lines of "If you don't look the part no one will take you seriously" which is a truth that abuses transgenders, so they mutilate themselves and end up crazy and suicide rates are high.

That's purely because of being at a transition point between two states of societal acceptance. The means exists to seek the form they feel is theirs, but tolerance has not normalized over how that takes more time. We saw similarly when gay people were given the legal right to marry. 

Blair White though also doesn't take Gender Fluid/Neutral people seriously, in fact their very presence from what I've seen of her videos legitimately pisses her off. She is fixated on passing, so when she sees someone comfortable with a half-assed job she ingroup cringes really hard to the point of distancing them from her perception of the Trans Umbrella. 

Unfortunately I've been a part of known society for long enough to judge the "passing" metric as well, but even that is a reflection of my own internalized issues over my own issues with wanting to pass. 

Transgenderism is a disorder. Some would argue a physical disorder cause they don't get what they call a bonus hole. 

Gender Dysphoria is a legitimate disorder, just how I'd argue that homosexuality is, but where we differ is over if it is or isn't a disorder someone's born with or if it's purely a nurtured set of conditions. 

I see it more as people not neatly fitting into the boxes society made for them, so they feel the need to change themselves to match up with cultural norms. If these norms were not the case we'd be seeing a lot more people dressing in between, rather than settling on one of two Gender Extremes. 

Sounds like victim mentality. 

So you would say women are just as strong as men, and you're ready for us to have a female president? 

I did mention Tulsi Gabbard would be a good President. Her debate game was on point, she's patriotic, a war vet, been a Democrat, agrees with modern conservative views, now Republican. For those it matters to she's a person of colour. 

Race and gender doesn't matter to me. Qualifications matter. She'll be the head of intelligence next term.

So you think a female leader would be taken seriously by other countries who themselves are otherwise less progressive in values? 

You ever see this trans complain about the downside of being a guy ? How easy women have it. 

Dude you keep making it about Trans people during a discussion about Women, but yeah I've heard lots of trans people complain about lack of equality in general rather than hyperfocusing on just their own story. 

The Trans who achieved looking like a man has a real message of how men and women are treated. Your argument is that men are treated better, but that's not true.

Men are harmed by The Patriarchy as well. In spite of it being a system that helps some men by the virtue of it's structure there are a lot more men that are harmed by it. 

The Patriarchy is doing neither gender any favors, but the drawbacks between the two are different from eachother. By contrast Feminism gives a place for more femme men and more masculine women to go while otherwise still accepting and embracing traditional roles, as long as having the choice between them makes them comfortable and tolerance is exercised between each camp. 

I feel like you're changing the goalposts over how they're an easier target than the problems women face. 

 Refer to my previous paragraph. 

This doesn't negate that you took a female debate and tried to turn it trans (specifically MtF trans for the most part too). 

Turncoat said:

I'd argue that both genders are born with inherent potential that has the room to be transformed into value within the right constraints. 

No one disagrees we're all born with potential.

I said women are born with inherent value. She goes from being a child, to transforming into a women with countless suitors of all ages. It's not hard for her to make it in life while she has the support of men and women. Fat girls get more hits on dating apps than chads while 70% of guys settle for less and get rejected.

Us on the other hand ( You too Nathan ) have no inherent value. We have to build and make something of ourselves or else no love. A woman who so chooses to do nothing can simply snuggle up to some guy who'll look after her.

Odd, people seem to have dug me for what was inherent within me rather than societal merits like being rich or looking sexy. 

Maybe I'm a woman then, since by your definition it's just women who are born with inherent value. Rather than be the one seeking suitors they've always found me, courted me into their relationship rather than them into mine. There's plenty of hard working women who would appreciate having a man around the house to keep it in order while they do what is otherwise classically seen as a 'masculine role'. 

I'm on SSI, for a fairly debilitating disorder, yet I too can find love. Perhaps your views on this are wrong, and even further perhaps these views are limiting your potential when it comes to finding viable mates. If I can find love unconventionally then doesn't that somewhat deny your seemingly conventional point? 

Some women like older men. Cougars are simply older women who fuck young men. You seem to take for granted the freedoms that were intended for westerners. 

There are many women out there living alone dude. Not at home with their parents. Doing well. Most people these days need to split costs on a place but still there they are striving with their own space.

If you reread what was said you'll see this isn't related to my point. 

My point is over how people are perceived, which in turn conditions people to live within those perceptions. 

An old woman will be seen, as you put it, less valuable in spite of how they are inherently just as valuable as an older man. The only real argument that can be made over age is egg viability vs sperm viability over how one can go about it for longer than the other typically, but both genders are rolling the dice as they get older over the increased risks of defective offspring. 

If both were poor, the woman will make much more gains as a beggar. Even if she were a complete hag. 

If they saw a man begging, The Patriarchy states they are a failure. If they see a woman begging, The Patriarchy looks at how she could still be used. 

Feminism isn't fighting for equality.

That is literally it's definition, you must be confusing it with Matriarchy over how Right Wing Talking Points have a tendency to conflate the two. 

By being told enough times that they are otherwise 'less than a man', it conditioned learned helplessness. It's not just those who assault women that perpetuate this situation, it's also those who'd insist on being some sort of Man-Hero.

I find it interesting how The Right can claim that, racially, telling people that they need help and can't achieve as much without government aid or DEI hires is weakening them, yet they can't seem to see it the same way about Women when they hold the door open for them and insist they need a Man to protect them from other bad Men.

Women do need men to protect them from bad men. Do you not understand how we're built different ? This isn't the MCU where some fancy looking chick will toss us around with her mind.

She can learn martial arts, there's even women's self defense classes and men have glaring weak spots. If a man doesn't train he tends to come out weak and flabby too.

Most of the harm done is over women being told they're weaker, which in turn has people behaviorally keep up the expected norm. While there are clear differences between how T vs E display for advantages and disadvantages, that has been used as the foundation to exaggerate the perception of those differences via nurtured responses.

Do you see how telling women they need a man to protect them makes women accept being weaker than they have to be? It's like telling a child they need their parents except well into Adulthood.

Feminism doesn't encourage women to compete with men so much as encourages them to do so if they wouldn't have done it because of their gender.

Its not men who stops her from choosing what to pursue.

You seem confused over how Patriarchy works, and ignore how it's mostly old people with old school views who lead industry. 

If it's not outright being said blatantly you're prone to saying it must not exist. There's nuance, subtext, not everything is direct. With you in a position of perceived masculinity you haven't had to have these problems thrown at you as blatantly, in fact I'd go further and say that you look at how well you did as a black person and presume anyone complaining about unequal treatment doesn't fit your understanding of how you lived your own life. You then look at that and transfer that perception across all people.

You speak like someone of privilege over how the only things you focus on are the problems that apply to yourself, and only when they do.

Golden_Eagle said:

There are inherent differences, but for those who don't conform to the expected norms they shouldn't be limited to only fields that serve the majority.

They so aren't limited. As it is with men, it's all a matter if she can do the job or not. Though, I imagine a feminist would blame patriarchy if she fails.

So you're completely fine with women in the military as long as they can pull their own weight, even with people thinking it'll make Men act stupider by the virtue of being around them?

How about trans people?

LOL. If so she'll certainly make the cut. I'm laughing cause you think the military would reject a superior soldier cause she's female. Look at Tulsi Gabbard. Female war vets who died on tour. Everything you can't believe in about women is real, and it's you who don't believe in them and spread the belief they are oppressed. On a side note I heard there was never a female Navy Seal.

It takes very little research to find inequality between the sexes, and until things are equal people shouldn't settle for less.

I also don't really see what this side note has to do with anything. I'd be prone to claiming it's because the navy seals take women less seriously while you'd be prone to claiming it's because women aren't capable of living up to their requirements.

TLDR; There was a woman in the class who was friendly with her classmates, she was brave enough to speak among 'the boys', and then she got reasonably worried over her project when you hogged all of the computers in a public computer lab. Following that you found her foolish for wanting to go last for critiques.

...and then your takeaway from it is that women are distracting? 🤨

She never completed her project. Did not batch render her animation so the multiple computers were useless to her. I wasn't the only one batching out frames, yet, she had to nag me about using 12 machines while she had nothing for them to process.

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To be clear, she wasn't the boss, I could've easily said no and she'd have no complaint. 

She doesn't instruct my department. Asking me to submit reports was out of bounds, and I wrote the report OFF HOURS at home. Her role was to increase workflow in the studio between the artists digital artists and writers and whatever else we had.

Also I'm very fond of her. Not like that, but she's a good woman. Point is she was paid more than me while the whole place recognized who and what I am to the company.

Does your experiences with her have you judge women in general in similar fields? You just said she was a Manager, that technically makes her your boss in spite of her having a boss over her.

Management gets credit for what they get their teams to do, that's normal and has nothing to do with gender. She had a higher paying position than you, you were a worker and she was a manager.

If that's what you're geared to look for you'll cherry pick your perceptions and seemingly find it all over the place, and judging from the above you were more focused on your own craft anyway.

By contrast I've seen women do better than men typically unless it's something that requires a literal caveman.

Well if those women aren't successful, whose fault is it?

Do you really not see the conditions of society as responsible for the output of said society?

It even gauges what is and isn't gregarious, affecting breeding trends. It's the foundation of way too many things, which is why changing even a little bit tends to freak out conservatives.

So we're just to ignore how society impacts the individual?

The world doesn't revolve us. If ones goes out expecting everything to go their way they'll get destroyed. Women are competing with women aswell. For her sometimes a woman gets the job she wanted.

If that's how everyone felt then there'd be no fight for rights, and if it were felt earlier in history then we'd have less rights now. 

A few exceptions don't negate sociological statistics. You can't be like "The Kardashians are doing super well" as a way to explain that women overall are thriving.

Billionaires ? Dude we're talking about everyday people here.

Black women are killing it these days. Boss babes with the house and car. Doing well demographically.

We must be looking at different stats, or the same stats through a different filter. Improvements from past figures doesn't mean enough's been done, those improvements should be focused on and further improved.

Women with victim mentality are prone to self defeat. It'll then obstruct their success rate.

Men have it worse cause if you're a weak man people will laugh and have no respect for you. Women won't like you either.

I personally don't respect mentally weak people. There's nothing to respect there, they are so held back and it's really by choice.

So because they're weak, they deserve to suffer by your POV? Where does this victim mentality come from though?

Strength and weakness are relative. By talking about my weaknesses openly people have seen me as strong, which is a classically feminine approach to the perception of strength.

Why should it be strong for a man to do that, yet weak for a woman to do it?

This should address everything?