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Golden_Eagle said: 

I might even envy you if you had child. 

Dude, just, no. 

I don't want to inflict my problems on another human being. 

They'd have to go through the bullshit of capitalism. Automatically not worth it. And TC is poor from what I know. I mean even people with moderate wealth are not so safe.

Golden_Eagle said: 

Turncoat said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Birth control is a better idea.

See, now I'm already glad we had this discussion. I didn't expect this answer. What separates the two, the age of the fetus? 

Women flush out the embryo every cycle. It has no pulse nor is it really a person. A fetus is a person. Unique people have been destroyed before they had a chance. 

This is where people go into "at what month are they a person?". 

I understand how in this respect that my view is unusual, I don't take it seriously until they can form memories. Even people within "my own party" are like wtf sometimes. 

This already strongly splits you apart from many within your political party, they don't tend to like birth control and, honestly, I lumped you in with that bunch presumptively. 

You'll hear the MSM twist things around. 

The Democrats created a bill called "The Right to Contraception Act" a bill to ensure contraceptives will forever be legal. The Republicans saw it as some political stunt or some flex ahead of an election. Only 2 Republicans ( both female excuse me for finding that funny ) voted yes and the bill wasn't passed.

At the end of the day women and men are both people, they both can make similar decisions in spite of their differences. 

It however catches me off guard when I see what I take as women robbing themselves of their own rights. If I could get pregnant, I know damn well I'd want the option of abortion after having gone through, well... I mean I don't need to re-explain this... right? 

I know you'll have sass if I don't presuppose the response, but I can say well in advance that it's obviously a sensitive area. Men aren't believed to be rapeable if it's not another man doing it by a surprising majority, and I know you don't like me, so it'd be very easy for you to try to spin something about how I must have wanted it. 

Republicans won the House of Representatives yesterday by the way. 

Dude, like, I know. It's horrifying when you otherwise let yourself consider my POV. 

What I've ultimately seen is that the right wing victory is multifaceted, it was not any one thing that gave them the victory. Each person has one hardcore issue they render their foundation for researching other data, and when digging down to that layer it's easier to find conservative people in the current political climate. 

It doesn't help how autistically the left tried to handle trans tolerance, like I saw early on that forcing it in people's faces would work against me from starting from a disadvantaged position. Telling people what they HAVE to do will always trigger a backlash, which is why I've gone with letting them say whatever so that I don't somehow end up emboldening their position. 

Save for people like you, of course. You're far enough right that I feel like nothing I can do would push you any further, yet you still have enough surprises when it comes to things like birth control apparently when compared to abortion.

I really don't understand the consolidation between perspectives there, but I want to. 

I don't see them banning birth control. Some men like a good Ho that won't get pregnant.

To give you a reality check, I'd have had multiple potential children by now if it weren't for birth control. 

With Crow. 

Do you really want to subject the world to that, let alone a child between the two of us? By your POV wouldn't we be birthing the Antichrist? 🤣

People can do what they want but being promiscuous is still a bad idea. 

I would love to explore this point further with you, but I feel like it might deviate from what I'm already asking. 

Really though, I don't see anything wrong with promiscuity, or as I'd call it, "experience", other than the risk of STDs. If you're looking for someone long term it might not be the best place to search, but if you just want a bit of fun or a cathartic release then what's the problem? 

There are women who have multiple abortions and I don't think they are very smart. Sorry. 

That's fine, you can call them dumb then for having the condom break or having an allergic reaction to birth control, but why should dumb women have dumb children? Isn't that perpetuating the problem? 

I said multiple abortions. No excuses. 

So the first one's okay?

I'm not trying to be facetious I'm trying to figure out where you draw the line. It's radically different  from my perspective which may lead to some dumb questions. 

Failure to protect oneself again and again is easily narrowed down to reckless stupidity in my book. Don't see this type of thing happening to the sharper ones.  

So you see men as attacking women when it comes to mating, and that somehow excuses men more than women? 

I personally feel like both genders are equally victim to lust, but only one of them is saddled with carrying a baby. As a result, the heavyset one tends to face more punishment while the man has the room to escape his obligations. 

Your mistaken TC. Part of why the left was so hyperfixated on trans stuff is because they were otherwise appealing to conservatives. It's so they didn't have to go along with Bernie who is "too extreme" for them. Turns out actual leftists do not want a party that is obsessed with appealing to the right so they can seem mature and moderate. They larp as conservatives and then of course actual conservatives win out.

Turncoat said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Turncoat said: 

See, now I'm already glad we had this discussion. I didn't expect this answer. What separates the two, the age of the fetus? 

Women flush out the embryo every cycle. It has no pulse nor is it really a person. A fetus is a person. Unique people have been destroyed before they had a chance. 

This is where people go into "at what month are they a person?". 

I understand how in this respect that my view is unusual, I don't take it seriously until they can form memories. Even people within "my own party" are like wtf sometimes. 

Life begins at conception. That is true for yourself as well. 

This already strongly splits you apart from many within your political party, they don't tend to like birth control and, honestly, I lumped you in with that bunch presumptively. 

You'll hear the MSM twist things around. 

The Democrats created a bill called "The Right to Contraception Act" a bill to ensure contraceptives will forever be legal. The Republicans saw it as some political stunt or some flex ahead of an election. Only 2 Republicans ( both female excuse me for finding that funny ) voted yes and the bill wasn't passed.

At the end of the day women and men are both people, they both can make similar decisions in spite of their differences. 

It however catches me off guard when I see what I take as women robbing themselves of their own rights. If I could get pregnant, I know damn well I'd want the option of abortion after having gone through, well... I mean I don't need to re-explain this... right? 

Abortion was left up to the states to decide. Half of the states abortion is legal. Including yours. 

I know you'll have sass if I don't presuppose the response, but I can say well in advance that it's obviously a sensitive area. Men aren't believed to be rapeable if it's not another man doing it by a surprising majority, and I know you don't like me, so it'd be very easy for you to try to spin something about how I must have wanted it. 

I don't believe women who get abortions want children. Or some punishment or whatever. 

Republicans won the House of Representatives yesterday by the way. 

Dude, like, I know. It's horrifying when you otherwise let yourself consider my POV. 

What I've ultimately seen is that the right wing victory is multifaceted, it was not any one thing that gave them the victory. Each person has one hardcore issue they render their foundation for researching other data, and when digging down to that layer it's easier to find conservative people in the current political climate.

The victory had more to do with the economy. Trump brought a lot of people into politics and for the first time ever it seems, more people opened their eyes and saw the establishment and how full of shit they are. 

The DNC doesn't really care about the LGBTQ either, they changed their stance on it during the Obama era. Hillary was against gay marriage so was Obama, then they changed at the same time, and it brought in votes. 

 

It doesn't help how autistically the left tried to handle trans tolerance, like I saw early on that forcing it in people's faces would work against me from starting from a disadvantaged position. Telling people what they HAVE to do will always trigger a backlash, which is why I've gone with letting them say whatever so that I don't somehow end up emboldening their position. 

Save for people like you, of course. You're far enough right that I feel like nothing I can do would push you any further, yet you still have enough surprises when it comes to things like birth control apparently when compared to abortion.

I really don't understand the consolidation between perspectives there, but I want to. 

I wasn't always so right wing. As Tim Pool put it, who is a liberal "The left has swung so far left, I'm closer to the right". I myself voted Liberal for the 2015 federal election. It's not so much that I'm some hard Conservative. I like Trump cause he's not really about the Republican party. They too are afraid of him because he's willing to weed out the bad ones, and I respect that.  I like Pierre Poilievre because of his boldness in Parliament and his policies I agree with. I vote based on policy, not because some party instilled a victim mentality into me. 

I don't see them banning birth control. Some men like a good Ho that won't get pregnant.

To give you a reality check, I'd have had multiple potential children by now if it weren't for birth control. 

With Crow. 

Do you really want to subject the world to that, let alone a child between the two of us? By your POV wouldn't we be birthing the Antichrist? 🤣

I would've too but my ex and I were good at preventing it. 

People can do what they want but being promiscuous is still a bad idea. 

I would love to explore this point further with you, but I feel like it might deviate from what I'm already asking. 

Really though, I don't see anything wrong with promiscuity, or as I'd call it, "experience", other than the risk of STDs. If you're looking for someone long term it might not be the best place to search, but if you just want a bit of fun or a cathartic release then what's the problem? 

It's risky and can spread illness. It also kills relationships. 

Turncoat said: 

That's fine, you can call them dumb then for having the condom break or having an allergic reaction to birth control, but why should dumb women have dumb children? Isn't that perpetuating the problem? 

I said multiple abortions. No excuses. 

So the first one's okay?

I'm not trying to be facetious I'm trying to figure out where you draw the line. It's radically different  from my perspective which may lead to some dumb questions. 

I don't think it's okay. Only if the situation is fucked up like rape or the fetus has serious health issues. 

I'm just saying, if the woman keeps getting knocked up, she has issues. Clearly not exactly the brightest bulb on the tree. 

Failure to protect oneself again and again is easily narrowed down to reckless stupidity in my book. Don't see this type of thing happening to the sharper ones.  

So you see men as attacking women when it comes to mating, and that somehow excuses men more than women? 

These are the kind of questions that annoy me, like where the hell did you get that ?

Listen. Most guys treat women good, but there are bad guys out there. Some chicks dig that shit and they'll willingly get railed by them, but there are guys who'll cross the line.

If the woman is some party animal and she puts herself in situations where she'll end up getting gangbanged that isn't a good thing. Women need to take precautions when they travel. It's not like they can't go anywhere. Hooking up with strangers is dangerous, for men too, but even more for women. They are easier to take advantage of. 

I personally feel like both genders are equally victim to lust, but only one of them is saddled with carrying a baby. As a result, the heavyset one tends to face more punishment while the man has the room to escape his obligations. 

 As a man, try knocking up the wrong woman and see what happens. I know and I've seen many horror stories where he can do nothing about it. 

If she doesn't know who the Father is, that's not really a good sign, nor will the real Father be in good fortune if he finds out he's the Father. Doom and Gloom. 

There is one case that I know of where the Father is a complete dick and he's worthless. Can't even see his child without his own Mother supervising him ( That's a court order ) he also pays 58 dollars a month in child support from his ODSP ( Free money ). 

If you're worth 10 million, she'll take half and you'll still have to pay a fuck ton monthly. She'll most likely turn the children against you while she's getting railed by some other schmuck. I've seen that. 

Dragoonback said: 

Your mistaken TC. Part of why the left was so hyperfixated on trans stuff is because they were otherwise appealing to conservatives.

From what I've seen from commercials over the past few months, it's been left wing candidates trying to appeal to right wing voters. 

The writing was on the wall, and a lot of the left was disillusioned during this election over seeing their candidate as too right wing of a democrat. 

It's so they didn't have to go along with Bernie who is "too extreme" for them.

Bernie's got that green party stink, he's cursed. 

He'd be better off as a silent advisor to someone less known. 

Turns out actual leftists do not want a party that is obsessed with appealing to the right so they can seem mature and moderate.

Frankly, the left doesn't know what they want so much as what they don't want. 

Turncoat said: 

Dragoonback said: 

Your mistaken TC. Part of why the left was so hyperfixated on trans stuff is because they were otherwise appealing to conservatives.

From what I've seen from commercials over the past few months, it's been left wing candidates trying to appeal to right wing voters. 

The writing was on the wall, and a lot of the left was disillusioned during this election over seeing their candidate as too right wing of a democrat. 

I'd say they've insulted the right. 

The add is kinda sexist and makes men look dumb. Not that I care or anything, sexism is something they'd complain about. 

But yes ladies, lie to your husbands !

Golden_Eagle said: 

Life begins at conception.

So the minute the spooge touches their eggs it suddenly means something, and you aren't demonizing people for taking precautionary measures to prevent fertilization? 

Aren't condoms and birth control killing just as many children if not more children than abortions do? What has you draw the line there, the condition of the egg? 

What separates that from how it was prior to contact being made? They don't even have nerve endings yet, let alone enough of a functional brain to form true thoughts and memories. They might as well be a biology experiment at that point, they aren't a person yet. If the child was terminated there's no investment lost over how they never experienced anything. 

That is true for yourself as well. 

My folks only planned on one kid and aborted those who would have come before me. If not for that, I would not exist.

By contrast to the typical pro-life message, I actually am only alive because of pro-choice values. If my folks were pro-life it'd be some other older human demonstrating a recombination of their genetic material rather than myself. I wouldn't have suddenly had an older brother if things went differently, I straight up never would have been born.

Abortion is something I can be thankful for when it comes to why I am alive today through the exact same logic as pro-life people claiming anti-abortion ideals are why they exist. I'm sure you see how that serves to invert my presentation of an otherwise typical argument when I can attribute Abortion as to why I am alive, rather than why I could have been dead. 
 

 Abortion was left up to the states to decide. Half of the states abortion is legal. Including yours. 

So... I'm just supposed to ignore the other 17 or so states where it's still shitty, and I'm supposed to ignore the earlier proposed idea over having the state on their ID lock them in to those laws even if they go to a different state? 

It should be everyone's right, and where I live it very easily could have come out the other way. I also can't find it in myself to feel entirely secure in knowing that I'm getting a benefit that other Americans aren't afforded. I don't feel comfortable looking at 1/3 of the US and shrugging off the problem just because it doesn't affect me directly. 

I don't believe women who get abortions want children. Or some punishment or whatever. 

Yeah they don't want children, that's why they got an abortion. 

You have demonstrated that you see it as effectively their fault, and that they ought to express more caution to avoid said fault. My question is moreover why a woman choosing to freely have sex makes her out to be a bad person, save for the STD risk, and for that matter why you would vote in policies that serve to punish said women for accidental fertilization when you've never even met these people and it'd serve to have the same people who'd make these mistakes produce more children prone to the same errors as their parents. 

Are those the kinds of people you want procreating? Haven't you seen Idiocracy? Much like the case with 4B I'd think you'd see it as your political enemy doing you a favor, considering within Pro-Choice constraints that Pro-Life women would do the exact same thing they'd do during a Pro-Life victory... meaning more right wing babies over what I'd figure is you calling them "sensible" or something. 

That's ultimately the Pro-Choice paradox: The ones "smart" enough to make the choice to abort end up producing less voters for the next generation, which in time risks phasing out said Pro-Choice values by the virtue of them having had them in the first place. 

The victory had more to do with the economy. Trump brought a lot of people into politics and for the first time ever it seems, more people opened their eyes and saw the establishment and how full of shit they are. 

Trump promised to help American Coal Miners before completely abandoning them during his time as president. 

I agree that the victory had tie-ins with the economy, but moreover the perception of it rather than the actual stats. Groceries were a common subject discussed when it came to economic struggle over how they were one of the biggest problems, which is less the economy's fault so much as the economy was a victim of grocery corporate greed via a lack of government oversight. 

The DNC doesn't really care about the LGBTQ either, they changed their stance on it during the Obama era. Hillary was against gay marriage so was Obama, then they changed at the same time, and it brought in votes. 

Biden was against marijuana yet he still allowed that bill to pass, in general he's allowed for things that were once against his young age policies. We can't look at the character they had so much as the policies they're willing to write in when both sides are "evil" and pander to corporations and foreign interests. Our leadership has always been a mercenary culture and that's not missed on me, but one of them represents issues I'd prefer over the other as a matter of autonomy for those who haven't been given the same privileges. 

I wasn't always so right wing. As Tim Pool put it, who is a liberal "The left has swung so far left, I'm closer to the right".

At this point I see the left swinging right more in general than they once did, or they're "protesting" the voting process by abstaining or voting for a third party candidate. 

Harris is pretty fucking right-leaning for a democrat and other people running for office sold out their own party's values, and many struggled to ignore that who otherwise feel abandoned by their pandering to the opposition. 

I myself voted Liberal for the 2015 federal election. It's not so much that I'm some hard Conservative. I like Trump cause he's not really about the Republican party. They too are afraid of him because he's willing to weed out the bad ones, and I respect that. 

Dude I know he's not a Republican, it's the fact he's not that makes me find him scarier honestly. 

He's a business man, and he's shown a questionable history over delegation practices. I can't just ignore his career pre-politics when he's harkening to a lot of the same issues, it feels like an echo where the most dangerous parts aren't even his fault directly so much as who he was willing to hire to do the job for him. He's a delegator and his luck's at best a coin flip, even his people from his first term flipped on him. 

I like Pierre Poilievre because of his boldness in Parliament and his policies I agree with. I vote based on policy, not because some party instilled a victim mentality into me. 

I feel like escaping the existing systems of control is essentially impossible, they account for those who want to feel like they're different but at the end of the day it's just more statistics for those with power. 

There aren't good candidates, there's candidates who are less shitty than their opponent, and politics itself rather than finding better leaders has instead decided to lean in on that expectation as part of their strategy. 

To give you a reality check, I'd have had multiple potential children by now if it weren't for birth control. 

With Crow. 

Do you really want to subject the world to that, let alone a child between the two of us? By your POV wouldn't we be birthing the Antichrist? 🤣

I would've too but my ex and I were good at preventing it. 

I've had bad luck in the respect over consistently finding partners who show allergic reactions to birth control. 🤦

It's also easy enough to make a mistake once or twice if sex is otherwise super common. It's kind of crazy to think how many kids I might have produced if not for this, and frankly with my disorders I feel the world was done a favor by not having them thrown into the mix. 

It's actually crazy to think how many kids could have been a thing through various circumstances. Being 99% careful while having sex like 300ish times means making at least 3 mistakes, right? 

It's risky and can spread illness. It also kills relationships. 

Someone who refuses to put out can still leave you though, and while I agree that fooling around outside of an existing relationship is bad and polyamory is so dicey I struggle to relate to it from having only seen it work like... once ever, I feel like prior "experience" doesn't take away from the relationship any more than a lack of it other than giving them a frame of comparison. 

If they haven't had any prior experience they're liable to question what else is out there, while with prior experience I can count on them picking me as an informed decision instead of a naive one. With what I need to get off over my paraphilias, an inexperienced partner might not work out quite as well as one who knows how to take charge. 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Turncoat said: 

I said multiple abortions. No excuses. 

So the first one's okay?

I'm not trying to be facetious I'm trying to figure out where you draw the line. It's radically different  from my perspective which may lead to some dumb questions. 

I don't think it's okay. Only if the situation is fucked up like rape or the fetus has serious health issues. 

I'm just saying, if the woman keeps getting knocked up, she has issues. Clearly not exactly the brightest bulb on the tree. 

Is there a reason why these dumb women you're referencing ought to be stuck having a child though? I don't see any benefit in it, now you have that someone you didn't think highly of spreading those values to a child.

Shouldn't what you perceive as a lack of intelligence, within your framework, be pitied and helped so that their mistakes don't end up hurting more than themselves? How does making it more likely for these people to have children end up helping anybody? 

Failure to protect oneself again and again is easily narrowed down to reckless stupidity in my book. Don't see this type of thing happening to the sharper ones.  

So you see men as attacking women when it comes to mating, and that somehow excuses men more than women? 

These are the kind of questions that annoy me, like where the hell did you get that?

Men don't carry the baby, and while I believe you'd push for some level of involvement with the child if the guy is to behave honorably I also think you'd judge men less for having unprotected sex when compared to women, purely over how the consequences are more dire for women than men save for things like child support. 

Listen. Most guys treat women good, but there are bad guys out there. Some chicks dig that shit and they'll willingly get railed by them, but there are guys who'll cross the line.

And you... want these couples to pop out children to do the same thing again 15 to 20 years down the line? Or even further, you'd think the child is better off in The System rather than never being permitted to exist? 

How well do you expect a child to be raised by this hypothetical coupling? Wouldn't abortion make more sense here, rather than combining these two's DNA to repeat "the sins of the father"? 

As a direct example, I find it a tragedy that ChallengeSeeker did not abort. Look at what her child's gone through and will continue to experience, and figure the recombination of traits she's carrying through both of her parents. What kind of person do you expect her to become when both her Nature and Nurture are pretty fucked up? 

If the woman is some party animal and she puts herself in situations where she'll end up getting gangbanged that isn't a good thing. Women need to take precautions when they travel. It's not like they can't go anywhere. Hooking up with strangers is dangerous, for men too, but even more for women. They are easier to take advantage of. 

I feel like going from "has sex before marriage" to "travels the world for exotic gangbangs" is kind of dialing it up to eleven. 😏

I've known plenty of women who've had a similar number of partners to myself, if not more, and I found them easier to get along with and relate to when compared to someone untouched and frigid or whatever. 

Taking precautions or not though, I don't feel like they should be forced to squish out a spawn if the child would not be presented an ideal environment. Rather than caring about the fact the kid "survived" I'd rather focus on the child having the best possible environment and funding possible, give them the best ideal life instead of some shitty one that'll exacerbate the disorders that are genetic in nature.

If there isn't some level of pampering the situation the child will come out like something from a slasher movie. If I'm going to have a kid, I'd rather that kid live the best life possible, or not at all so that they never have to experience the weight of my issues, let alone whatever issues my partner'd have, as if it were their own. 

As a man, try knocking up the wrong woman and see what happens. I know and I've seen many horror stories where he can do nothing about it. 

...dude that poor kid, the courts can't order me to pay child support if I have no income when SSI is not factored into Child Support payments. 

I'd be the misfortune looming over this "wrong woman's" life rather than her being that for me, my networth is practically zero. Even in the few states that dock a percentage of those checks the amount granted to the child is only in the double digits. 

There is one case that I know of where the Father is a complete dick and he's worthless. Can't even see his child without his own Mother supervising him ( That's a court order ) he also pays 58 dollars a month in child support from his ODSP ( Free money ). 

Huh, I guess Canada behaves more like Illinois and Florida. 

Where I am I wouldn't be expected to pay, but again who this is really doing a disservice to is the child. If the woman in this coupling isn't wealthy enough to ensure security when I also can't be a proper provider... the child is better off aborted. 

If you're worth 10 million, she'll take half and you'll still have to pay a fuck ton monthly. She'll most likely turn the children against you while she's getting railed by some other schmuck. I've seen that. 

I'm worth 0, half of 0 is still 0. 

I also wouldn't hold that against my former partner any more than I'd expect her to if I found someone new to "Rail".