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Spatial Mind said: 

Getting a VR headset has been on my todo list. I would like to try it before buying it though, which never happens considering it's a hygienic product

Syrmor is a large part of why I even want to join it. It looks like a great medium to get some deep talks out of strangers, plus movements in relation to the person (the gloves) really adds a lot. Their use of models isn't too different from our use of avatars either, but the sense of motion adds another dimension to it. 

I really want to try it too, also for the games it's compatible with so far. 

Turncoat said: 

Lena said: 

Turncoat said: 

Lena said:

I dont think I've said reverse racism is less racist than race jokes..? Race jokes are just as racist as reverse racism so yeah call that out if you need to.

It's an example of racism that is commonly taken as "not racist". 

I'd say Reverse Racism is worse. A joke can be done from a variety of reasonings, while racism itself, reverse or straight, is more core to their being. 

I'm well aware of what reverse racism is but the fact is that there are category if jokes and when you choose a joke that you know is racist and you've chosen it to make a funny  disparaging remark/joke about another race based in stereotypes...that's uh, racist. 

While what someone says can indeed be deemed racist by itself, how much does it being said by them reflect actual, harmful symptoms and risks of racism itself? 

Normalization, especially in the climate we have now in the good US of A. I get how that could be seen as me exaggerating but our own president told 4 woman to go back to their countries to fix their garbage government based on the color of their skin.

I've already explained to you(at least I think it was you) seeing people doing casual racism in discord and other platforms started from racist jokes, where it slowly became the norm.

What's wrong with that? 



In this case I wouldn't even call it "Honest" conflict either, but rather dark humor. 

That's probably fine with you but it's not fine with me, I have no interest in staying in places like that which is usually why I leave or take issue with the people I like when they say such things. Xadem, para, and syst are examples. 

What's so bad about it though? They aren't going out and spitting on black people after too many conversations online, nor are they putting in petitions for racially segregated water fountains as a return to when "America was Great". 

This is like saying that school shootings were the direct result of violent video games, it's catastrophizing through exaggerated impacts while refusing to look at what else is there and what serves as a gray area. 

As someone that's had slurs shouted at because I look mexican? I'd like to think the people I considered would be a bit accepting of something I told them made me uncomfortable, and just because they may not direct it a me but instead they direct it to someone else should I feel good about that? 

 

People who would usually not say such things now used the n-word or other slurs to refer to someone doing something they disliked 

Good for them, they're growing as people into something less repressed. 

I still struggle to say "The N-Word", I can't even make myself type it, but I wouldn't call that me being progressive, I'd call that me enabling a weakness out of fear. Those who can say it freely without racism as the goal deserve to. 

What are you afraid of? 

Specifically, I am afraid of becoming comfortable enough with the word to have it slip out of my mouth in a public place. 

I don't want to start a fight on accident over something so trivial, especially for the room ingrouping has within race. I believe and fight for the right for others to say things, but I am not preaching what I'm teaching purely out of fear. 

 How would one say the N word without racism? If it's so trivial why not explain it to those who might take issue with it? Could you explain to me why its trivial and should be said "without racism"?

I meanwhile was raised by a mother who wore "the pants" and a stay-at-home dad, and I'm, well, me, so I instead faced a bunch of people being confused over stuff breaking their nuclear family template norm and having to explain fairly basic things hundreds upon thousands of times. 

I've been calling people sexist over shit like Chivalry since I was a wee liddle kid. The idea that any demographic "needs the help" is fucking insulting. 

My first response might be denial but usually through conversation I can see that im in the wrong.

As long as that isn't taken as me gaslighting or being dramatic or something this time. 

 You know what you did last time.

I actually think our versions still don't line up. 

Normalization, especially in the climate we have now in the good US of A. I get how that could be seen as me exaggerating but our own president told 4 woman to go back to their countries to fix their garbage government based on the color of their skin.

Normalizing ourselves with language is not the same as normalizing ourselves with behavior. Humor just serves to help level out our passions, like how much comedy made an impact after 9/11, while yes, stuff like watching what "The President" does is an actual problem for Normalization. Most of the problem comes from it being from the president though, as some random who-cares person yelling it doesn't really do much damage. 

Communication must be kept free, but "Actions Speak Louder Than Words". In this case it's that he did it in a place where it was recorded as someone who is supposed to represent our entire country. We should not be comparing your average Discord Joe with The President unless said Discord Joe does enough action to warrant it. 

As someone that's had slurs shouted at because I look mexican?

Turncoat said: 

Lena said: 

Turncoat said: 

 

If some words about demographics is enough to budge you (emphasis on words in place of actions), then that's something you ought to work on about yourself. 

If I posted siesta gifs when I thought you were being lazy, how bad would that really be? 

 I mean I wouldn't really be bothered as in Mexico the reasons for siestas or naps weren't about being lazy. It was about farmers taking a healthy break away from hi temp conditions in the fields it's not even really a Mexican or Spanish thing as this is (or was) what most region with hot climates do(did). 

Brits are sent some because of high temperatures and they not having ac, the Japanese take naps at work and are seen as hardworking so I guess in your perspective you may think you're being racist because you percieved me as being lazy if you were to do that but it wouldn't bother me likely because your racism isn't hitting the intended mark...

You're lucky how much of a credit to your race you are for being this hyper, a paragon even, or I'd be spamming so many siesta gifs otherwise. 

 Stop.

Lena said:

I'd like to think the people I considered would be a bit accepting of something I told them made me uncomfortable, and just because they may not direct it a me but instead they direct it to someone else should I feel good about that?

Why is that their responsibility instead of your own? 

People have been making tons of trans and mental health comments at my expense, but do you see me forming some sort of social justice rights crusade? No, because I'm stronger than that, and don't need to try to control my immediate environment to feel comfortable. 

Stop trying to control everything once it feels justified, it's still an expression of the need for control instead of just learning to tolerate things that make you uncomfortable. 

How would one say the N word without racism? If it's so trivial why not explain it to those who might take issue with it? Could you explain to me why its trivial and should be said "without racism"?

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It's purely referential, and much like me he still can't do it. 

Turncoat said: 

Lena said: 

Turncoat said: 

Lena said: 

Turncoat said: 

While you fight tooth and nail on matters of race, your sexism is quite rampant btw.

 Oof I know, I'm trying to work on it so definitely call me out on it when I'm doing it.

Wait really? Okay yeah sure I'll start doing that.

I'd mostly been poking at hypocrisy moments in the logic before, like your tendency to verbally demonstrate a female ingroup in spite of you finding more ease in insulting women than men, but if you really want me to start pointing out your sexist moments for your own benefit then sure. 

Oh no definitely, I was raised to believe certain things about women, my father and mother are both from countries that at the time (and some parts still are) extremely sexist. 

I meanwhile was raised by a mother who wore "the pants" and a stay-at-home dad, and I'm, well, me, so I instead faced a bunch of people being confused over stuff breaking their nuclear family template norm and having to explain fairly basic things hundreds upon thousands of times. 

I've been calling people sexist over shit like Chivalry since I was a wee liddle kid. The idea that any demographic "needs the help" is fucking insulting. 

I have this thing where I take on the Male role and therefore believe women need help sometimes, other times I've got the madonna whore thing going on

My first response might be denial but usually through conversation I can see that im in the wrong.

As long as that isn't taken as me gaslighting or being dramatic or something this time. 

 You know what you did last time.

I actually think our versions still don't line up. 

Normalization, especially in the climate we have now in the good US of A. I get how that could be seen as me exaggerating but our own president told 4 woman to go back to their countries to fix their garbage government based on the color of their skin.

Normalizing ourselves with language is not the same as normalizing ourselves with behavior. Humor just serves to help level out our passions, like how much comedy made an impact after 9/11, while yes, stuff like watching what "The President" does is an actual problem for Normalization. Most of the problem comes from it being from the president though, as some random who-cares person yelling it doesn't really do much damage. 

Communication must be kept free, but "Actions Speak Louder Than Words". In this case it's that he did it in a place where it was recorded as someone who is supposed to represent our entire country. We should not be comparing your average Discord Joe with The President unless said Discord Joe does enough action to warrant it. 

 When the president incites violence towards certain people and his staunchest supporters take that as permission to take physical action such as making death threats (even online that's a physical action.), thats a problem because now it's not just one person having that mental permission, and while many in the discord platform, or even forum platforms may not actively do anything in a physical manner they do now have echo chambers and groups where they can express their "hate" and reaffirm toxic beliefs on race and whether or not it's their duty to do something about it.

Turncoat said: 

Lena said:

I'd like to think the people I considered would be a bit accepting of something I told them made me uncomfortable, and just because they may not direct it a me but instead they direct it to someone else should I feel good about that?

Why is that their responsibility instead of your own? 

People have been making tons of trans and mental health comments at my expense, but do you see me forming some sort of social justice rights crusade? No, because I'm stronger than that, and don't need to try to control my immediate environment to feel comfortable. 

Stop trying to control everything once it feels justified, it's still an expression of the need for control instead of just learning to tolerate things that make you uncomfortable. 

Because they're the ones saying the racist remarks? Should I keep my mouth shut and not say anything instead? I'd rather have an honest conversation about it than to just break off the friendship.

Why would I stay friends with people that make me uncomfortable? Why wouldn't I call it out? If they have no problem saying it why should there be a problem with me calling them out on it? Is it because it makes them uncomfortable? Why is their comfort a priority to my own?

Is it not controlling of you to try to make me instead tolerate the casual racism for the comfort of others?

How would one say the N word without racism? If it's so trivial why not explain it to those who might take issue with it? Could you explain to me why its trivial and should be said "without racism"?

2nd time posting it: 



It's purely referential, and much like me he still can't do it. 

"It's not the same thing."

 I didnt see this:

Turncoat said: 

Lena said: 

Turncoat said:

In a way, you're being the reverse racist no one asked for no differently than a neckbearded fedora opening doors for ladies, a Racial White Knight if you will. Speaking as one of the commonly mocked demographics (transexualism), one you mocked me over in the past in now-deleted Discord records, neckbeards charging in don't make it better for us, but rather worse.

 Wait I'm being a reverse racist for pointing put that racist jokes are, as their category describes, racist? 

Somewhat, yeah. 

Edit: It also falls into racist tones over you thinking they need you to fight their battles for them. 

my telling others to please not use racist language around me or about my friends is being racist? My calling out them out on casual racism is racist? That seems like a bit of a reach there. I'm not fighting anyone's battles either? Or do you think that I should only call it out when it's about people the same shade of brown as me?

And I'm assuming you meant when Xadem said to use your female pronouns and I said no because you were not female also you didn't  care about the pronouns used? That time? 

So because I have said in a personal context that I don't care which pronoun I'm called, you have permission to mock transexualism through me? 

It's more than that, too, and while I don't actually care in relation to myself from seeing it as a disorderly flaw instead of some spiritual new wave movement like the LGBTQ is running it as, this is still the room for me to call you on your bullshit. 

Then call me out on it, when someone asks me to call them by female pronouns I usually comply as it does me no harm at all but if you want me to refer to you by female pronouns all you have to tell me so. Definitely call me out if you think I'm mocking transexualism and tell me what about it made you uncomfortable so that I may understand and attempt to change the way I express myself around you.

Hi, also I'm Mexican. Literally being called a spic and a wetback do to being brown so I call that shit out too, if you say slurs I'm gonna call you out on it no matter how uncomfortable that makes you to realize that you may not be overtly racist but your'e definitely using casual racist language.

Then you are weak. 

Being a Mexican does not entitle you to calling people out for this shit any more than anyone else any more than me being a Transexual does. Stop high-grounding using your race if you actually want to be past it, otherwise accept that your entitlement statement here is also racism. 

Being a person of color that has had slurs shouted at me talking back and calling out those that shout slurs or make racist jokes and telling you my experience is seen as being entitled? If it makes you uncomfortable to be called out on it that's more your issue than mine. 

Also stop fucking editing.

I only do those sorts of edits when, at the time, there were no replies after me. 

My post count would be insanely padded if I did new posts in place of edits. It's already embarrassingly huge, it doesn't need the help. 

 It's a bit of a mind fuck going past a post and seeing theres new stuff that's been added and thinking if I just completely misread the entirety of your post or if I hallucinated letters

Lena said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

Getting a VR headset has been on my todo list. I would like to try it before buying it though, which never happens considering it's a hygienic product

 There are videos of try out stations??

 I've passed by places that sell them but they never have one up and running in store.

I did ask a worker in a computer store if it's any good and he says they deliver a very emersive experience which is really good the first time we try it.

I was watching some of those VR chat room videos and it appears the people with body tracking tend to be popular in these virtual spaces considering their 3D avatar will be more animated.

Spatial Mind said: 

Lena said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

Getting a VR headset has been on my todo list. I would like to try it before buying it though, which never happens considering it's a hygienic product

 There are videos of try out stations??

 I've passed by places that sell them but they never have one up and running in store.

I did ask a worker in a computer store if it's any good and he says they deliver a very emersive experience which is really good the first time we try it.

I was watching some of those VR chat room videos and it appears the people with body tracking tend to be popular in these virtual spaces considering their 3D avatar will be more animated.

 

 Yeah full body tracking seems to be more popular