Sociopath Community

Cause we can dance, and stuff.

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

Getting a VR headset has been on my todo list. I would like to try it before buying it though, which never happens considering it's a hygienic product

Syrmor is a large part of why I even want to join it. It looks like a great medium to get some deep talks out of strangers, plus movements in relation to the person (the gloves) really adds a lot. Their use of models isn't too different from our use of avatars either, but the sense of motion adds another dimension to it. 

I really want to try it too, also for the games it's compatible with so far. 

 From my understanding anyone can use the VR chat without the headgear, but it's obviously not the same.

If we can upload our own 3D models that would be a plus. This looks like something I would try and put down, unless I loved the company I've found in there.

Lena said:

I have this thing where I take on the Male role and therefore believe women need help sometimes, other times I've got the madonna whore thing going on

How do you respond towards men by comparison? 

When the president incites violence towards certain people and his staunchest supporters take that as permission to take physical action such as making death threats (even online that's a physical action.), thats a problem because now it's not just one person having that mental permission

He's the president, the believed leader of a country during a time of "Cult of Personality". The problems here are not what he's saying, but who is saying it and what time and place he's choosing to say it. 

As president, there are very clear ripples cascading that can influence other behaviors, but before he was president he was way worse, and his moves back then didn't make for anything really. This is why people often have to revisit what he used to say to slander him instead of that slander already being taken as a given thing. 

I've always known Trump was this guy, I was a fan of him in the media, but when it comes to being president I am against his racism for how it can ripple among the people and over how it serves to distract from where we ought to actually be focusing. In essence, I blame him for how the people around him are liable to be affected from where he is right now. 

Some Discord jokes and referential jabs aren't even remotely the same thing. It makes even less sense to rant and rave about this than even Pewtipie saying "The N-Word". In positions of power there are subtle responsibilities, but joe shmoe does not need to conform to those same responsibilities if their impacts on the world are instead so small. The only reason it's worth caring in a position of power over this shit anyway is purely over sociological backlash, not even over if it's really right or not to be saying those things. 

Because they're the ones saying the racist remarks? Should I keep my mouth shut and not say anything instead? I'd rather have an honest conversation about it than to just break off the friendship.

Do you see me breaking off friendships when people make fun of my struggles? I wouldn't go as far as to see that as a reason to break a friendship, that's really extremist and on par with the Facebook wave of political friends list purgings. 

I instead see the world as a grayscale, not a black and white scenario, and navigate from within that. I'd rather judge someone for their character than just the words coming out of their mouth, and the majority using those words in the form of joking aren't the ones worth throwing into the rubbish bin. Everyone has merit of some kind if they aren't a potato or too far into "the spectrum", and to turn someone away for having preconceived notions like that would be being done purely over my own intolerance towards their intolerance. 

People can be steered to more progressive thinking by, instead of shutting them down, listening to and excusing the lesser degrees of it while otherwise still engaging in conversation. I'd say your intolerance of their issues with race is on a similar backbone as most -ists, and is a stance that is self-justifiably being taken by many left wingers right now in a higher-than-thou way. 

Racism in language is only as bad as the intent of the one using it. We're in an age of referential irony, it's going to happen with everything. 

Why would I stay friends with people that make me uncomfortable? Why wouldn't I call it out?

Because it's your problem, and you aim to control others for your own selfish benefit. You're on a censorship campaign, and I principally find that deplorable when it's not about self-preservation. 

It's self-justifyingly egoist, unhealthy, and not a reason to drop someone as a friend. Discomfort is a part of life and it's inevitable, and as long as their intent isn't malicious who gives a shit? It's subtext, context, not just the surface message that matters. 

What, you going to be one of those "We need trigger warnings" people? 

If they have no problem saying it why should there be a problem with me calling them out on it? Is it because it makes them uncomfortable? Why is their comfort a priority to my own?

It starts conflict with little to no actual means of growth behind it. It's getting mad to outlet your insecurities and then justifying it with a blanket statement. It does no good other than spreading hate. 

Is it not controlling of you to try to make me instead tolerate the casual racism for the comfort of others?

It's advisory, as I don't expect you to fix your behavior, and my actions here are only over one individual instead of lashing out towards a crowd who's otherwise doing nothing wrong. 

By addressing your aim to control their behaviors into a mock-PC setting purely to protect your fee-fees, it'll stand to reduce the overall display of control-needs in the longrun. Instead of trying to control them to FORCE them to follow your ideas of what's right and wrong, why not instead aim at controlling yourself and recognizing that these divisions are inevitable? 

It's not like they've never heard the sorts of points you're making before, they're relatively mainstream and just make you look sensitive. If we are to exist within a "Free Market Place of Ideas" to borrow from Contrapoints terminology, we need to accept that hateful speech is going to be a part of it, and when it's in the form of a joke it's really not addressing problems beyond the expected, teenage, overt SJW seeking we've grown to collectively cringe at. 

"It's not the same thing."

What differences you'd extract from it mostly serve to justify your alarmist views. It's just a word by itself, and context is everything otherwise. 

Spatial Mind said: 

Cause we can dance, and stuff.

 I would tango with you tony.

It would be awkward and spastic because I cant dance at all but I would do this with you

Spatial Mind said: 

If we can upload our own 3D models that would be a plus. This looks like something I would try and put down, unless I loved the company I've found in there.

We can, I've seen some weird ones on there. One dude had a bunch of different dog models in different situations as his gimmick, and during the Ugandan Knuckles drama a bunch of people were adding rough edits to their models. 

You can even set different parameters for the models for when you speak into the headset. One guy set his entire model to awkwardly wiggle and change in size only when he's talking, essentially being a humanoid wave form (he's human-ish in shape when not otherwise speaking). 

It's a really neat medium. It's crazy to think that VR was one of their earlier ideas for The Internet, but what we have now was largely taken instead from being faster and more efficient than having to digitally walk everywhere ala Futurama's internet. 

my telling others to please not use racist language around me or about my friends is being racist?

My calling out them out on casual racism is racist?

That seems like a bit of a reach there. I'm not fighting anyone's battles either? Or do you think that I should only call it out when it's about people the same shade of brown as me?

Turncoat said: 

Lena said:

I have this thing where I take on the Male role and therefore believe women need help sometimes, other times I've got the madonna whore thing going on

How do you respond towards men by comparison? 

"Its fine they got it."

When the president incites violence towards certain people and his staunchest supporters take that as permission to take physical action such as making death threats (even online that's a physical action.), thats a problem because now it's not just one person having that mental permission

He's the president, the believed leader of a country during a time of "Cult of Personality". The problems here are not what he's saying, but who is saying it and what time and place he's choosing to say it. 

As president, there are very clear ripples cascading that can influence other behaviors, but before he was president he was way worse, and his moves back then didn't make for anything really. This is why people often have to revisit what he used to say to slander him instead of that slander already being taken as a given thing. 

I've always known Trump was this guy, I was a fan of him in the media, but when it comes to being president I am against his racism for how it can ripple among the people and over how it serves to distract from where we ought to actually be focusing. In essence, I blame him for how the people around him are liable to be affected from where he is right now. 

Some Discord jokes and referential jabs aren't even remotely the same thing. It makes even less sense to rant and rave about this than even Pewtipie saying "The N-Word". In positions of power there are subtle responsibilities, but joe shmoe does not need to conform to those same responsibilities if their impacts on the world are instead so small. The only reason it's worth caring in a position of power over this shit anyway is purely over sociological backlash, not even over if it's really right or not to be saying those things. 

What he's saying is very important, what?

Racist remarks and jokes are still strong impacts and just cos its joe schmoe doesn't mean it doesn't matter.  Just because you seem to think doing nothing is better doesn't mean it's right not does it mean that someone doing something about it is wrong.

Because they're the ones saying the racist remarks? Should I keep my mouth shut and not say anything instead? I'd rather have an honest conversation about it than to just break off the friendship.

Do you see me breaking off friendships when people make fun of my struggles? I wouldn't go as far as to see that as a reason to break a friendship, that's really extremist and on par with the Facebook wave of political friends list purgings. 

I instead see the world as a grayscale, not a black and white scenario, and navigate from within that. I'd rather judge someone for their character than just the words coming out of their mouth, and the majority using those words in the form of joking aren't the ones worth throwing into the rubbish bin. Everyone has merit of some kind if they aren't a potato or too far into "the spectrum", and to turn someone away for having preconceived notions like that would be being done purely over my own intolerance towards their intolerance. 

People can be steered to more progressive thinking by, instead of shutting them down, listening to and excusing the lesser degrees of it while otherwise still engaging in conversation. I'd say your intolerance of their issues with race is on a similar backbone as most -ists, and is a stance that is self-justifiably being taken by many left wingers right now in a higher-than-thou way. 

Racism in language is only as bad as the intent of the one using it. We're in an age of referential irony, it's going to happen with everything. 

Firstly I don't know enough about you friendships to adequately answer your question. I do know that you can get frustrated or upset when someone doesn't see your way of things and struggles, going back to blancs friendly negative comments I do think its better to form better positive friendships where you can be open with one another without feeling like you cant say something serious without someone trying to get negative banter in. 

If you like your friendships in this manner that's fine, I'm just no longer willing to do the toxic superficial friend routine. Blanc and I are not friends, so her comment was strange and sounds very unhealthy that she would try to force a friendship by calling me mean over a misunderstanding?

And hey, you don't want to break your friendships over things that dont bother you that's cool I was never attacking you about it so I'm not sure how this has switched on over but like in all relationships boundaries are important and while I try to be understanding about things I'm usually stubborn on- I've learned to stop bending my own boundaries for the comfort of others as I've done for years. If me asking someone not to say racist things to me or about my friends is too hard for someone to understand then it's not a friendship worth saving for me.

As for progressive steering and engaging in conversation, and because I'm somehow not able to copy paste on my phone(?), I have done that. Cawk is one example, a few of the people I speak to still this is happening but when it's done to deliberately upset me or impress others after having that conversation it's just not worth having. If they refuse to even meet halfway why would change my own stance for them?

Why would I stay friends with people that make me uncomfortable? Why wouldn't I call it out?

Because it's your problem, and you aim to control others for your own selfish benefit. You're on a censorship campaign, and I principally find that deplorable when it's not about self-preservation. 

It's self-justifyingly egoist, unhealthy, and not a reason to drop someone as a friend. Discomfort is a part of life and it's inevitable, and as long as their intent isn't malicious who gives a shit? It's subtext, context, not just the surface message that matters. 

What, you going to be one of those "We need trigger warnings" people? 

Because it's my problem I wont force them to stay friends with me lol, I break it off and tell them the exact reason for doing so. Again if asking them to not say racist things to me or refer to others in a racist way is too hard for them then why be upset when they do it again and again? It's no surprise to me, I'd rather not spend my time with such people. 

Discomfort certainly is a part of life but my aim as your friend is to not make you uncomfortable on purpose over social issues. I'm not sure if you've been apart of the conversations I've had with these individuals for you to dismiss as malicious or not.

I dont recall asking for a trigger warning or anything like it, is this the slippery slope you were mentioning earlier? I mean, if a cp posters adds a "CP trigger warning" topics, I'm not gonna complain lol.

Turncoat said: 

If they have no problem saying it why should there be a problem with me calling them out on it? Is it because it makes them uncomfortable? Why is their comfort a priority to my own?

It starts conflict with little to no actual means of growth behind it. It's getting mad to outlet your insecurities and then justifying it with a blanket statement. It does no good other than spreading hate. 

Sure theres growth behind it. If we can get to conversation about it theres definitely growth, it's not spreading hate to address the issue. If anything not addressing the issue is worse.

Is it not controlling of you to try to make me instead tolerate the casual racism for the comfort of others?

It's advisory, as I don't expect you to fix your behavior, and my actions here are only over one individual instead of lashing out towards a crowd who's otherwise doing nothing wrong. 

Wait Do you think I do this not privately? I only do it publicly if they happen to say something publicly. Syst happened to do that when I called him out on it, most everyone else has done it in a private way, irl it's mostly done in private too because theres no need to make someone feel attacked in a group.

By addressing your aim to control their behaviors into a mock-PC setting purely to protect your fee-fees, it'll stand to reduce the overall display of control-needs in the longrun. Instead of trying to control them to FORCE them to follow your ideas of what's right and wrong, why not instead aim at controlling yourself and recognizing that these divisions are inevitable? 

I recognize divisions are inevitable therefore taking the appropriate action of dropping or continuing isn't me trying to force them to follow my ideas of wrong or right, it's me removing myself from a situation where the behavior wont change based on the fact that saying this sort of stuff humorous to them while I find it malicious. Why complain about the setting and the friendship if I'm the one making myself go through with it. So I drop it. 

My hope isn't to make them change but to make them respect my boundaries and calling out racist behavior isn't controlling them. I genuinely want to know the logic behind their remark.

It's not like they've never heard the sorts of points you're making before, they're relatively mainstream and just make you look sensitive. If we are to exist within a "Free Market Place of Ideas" to borrow from Contrapoints terminology, we need to accept that hateful speech is going to be a part of it, and when it's in the form of a joke it's really not addressing problems beyond the expected, teenage, overt SJW seeking we've grown to collectively cringe at. 

Maybe they haven't, maybe they have. It's not like I'm going up to people and saying "hey want to be my friend? Oh by the way are you racist?" I'm very aware that we categorize differences in environment and those around us, racism will never truly go away there will always be there but it's your decision to internally examine these things or to say provoking comments about it outloud to get a reaction. 

What's wrong with SJW? 

"It's not the same thing."

What differences you'd extract from it mostly serve to justify your alarmist views. It's just a word by itself, and context is everything otherwise. 

 No, I'm quoting Samuel L. Jackson.

Lena said:

I'm just no longer willing to do the toxic superficial friend routine.

Yet you keep going out of your way to set all sorts of boundaries that would force them to be fake. 

Realness requires tolerance from both sides, not just theirs. 

Blanc and I are not friends, so her comment was strange and sounds very unhealthy that she would try to force a friendship by calling me mean over a misunderstanding?

She explained it though and now you have her context (backed up by mine as well). To push against her at this point would only serve to show that you do not believe her. 

I was never attacking you about it

I know, I just used myself as a comparison. 

I've learned to stop bending my own boundaries for the comfort of others as I've done for years.

Instead you've gone over to the opposite side of it as if there was no gray area. It need not be so black and white. 

I'm not a fan of actual racism, but going off the cuff over every little thing serves to reduce the impact of the complaints. It's better to save them for when they're truly warranted than throw them at every little offense. 

It works like cuss words; People who cuss constantly won't be heard, but people who save it for those really dramatic moments can get shit done. 

If they refuse to even meet halfway why would change my own stance for them?

This is why I went on about 1-on-1 accommodations of your weaknesses as it's own thing. 

Because it's my problem I wont force them to stay friends with me lol, I break it off and tell them the exact reason for doing so.

You likely tell them like it's their fault though instead of a weakness/intolerance of your own. 

It's no surprise to me, I'd rather not spend my time with such people.

Then you are quite literally a bigot by it's definition: 

I dont recall asking for a trigger warning or anything like it

The way you go on about race is borderlining the "safe space" notions many tout. 

Sure theres growth behind it. If we can get to conversation about it theres definitely growth, it's not spreading hate to address the issue. If anything not addressing the issue is worse.

You're generalizing humor as if it were hate through slippery slope rationalizations of "Normalization". 

This isn't that different from people who want to have 13 Reasons Why taken offline from it "promoting suicidal tendencies", it's bullshit. 

I only do it publicly if they happen to say something publicly.

This counts when it's mere nitpickery. 

it's me removing myself from a situation where the behavior wont change based on the fact that saying this sort of stuff humorous to them while I find it malicious.

That's not what I saw you doing, I saw you complaining. 

Why complain about the setting and the friendship if I'm the one making myself go through with it. So I drop it.

So... you and Syst aren't friends anymore? I doubt that. 

I have gone through a bunch of things I didn't like, but if they are purely my problem then I address it in relation to myself. It's nuts to try to change how others behave over my own intolerance. 

My hope isn't to make them change but to make them respect my boundaries and calling out racist behavior isn't controlling them.

I genuinely want to know the logic behind their remark.

Yet when they explain it as a joke you mount your high horse and don't accept it. It's not a good enough answer for you, so you keep digging into them over it or, from the sounds of it, flee and abandon the friendship. 

What's wrong with SJW?

They're the modern "rebel without a cause" archetype, but worse through justification backing allowing for multiple senses of entitlement. They are looking for opportunities to flex their "progressive views" as a way to funnel their core intolerances through an "acceptable" lens. 

It's still practicing hate regardless of who you aim it at, and each group comes with their share of excuses for why it's okay. SJW is on the same playing field. 

Turncoat said: 

my telling others to please not use racist language around me or about my friends is being racist?

When you're doing it in relation to yourself, it's you being defensive (and arguably racist). When it's done in relation to another it's racist. 

My calling out them out on casual racism is racist?

It's alarmist and unnecessary. It's you making conflicts where they don't have to be. It's rabble rousing an otherwise alright situation because some nitpick within it made you uncomfortable. 

That seems like a bit of a reach there. I'm not fighting anyone's battles either? Or do you think that I should only call it out when it's about people the same shade of brown as me?

Even if they're the same shade as you it's still racist against your own race to assume they cannot fight their battles for themselves. It's no different than a white knight opening a door for a "helpless" lady.