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Golden_Eagle said: 

Turncoat said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

 Cause nothing good comes out of cruelty.

A lot of what we appreciate from a position of privilege, as we speak, is built on the backs of cruelty. 

Animal Testing, Child Slavery, Factory Farming, Coal Mining, Cruelty is faster and as such gets to the finish line first. Our most successful companies opt for ruthlessness with some lip service to try to appear kinder towards idiots, it's 9/10 a cover up for something worse if not a pure smokescreen.

That doesn't mean it's a higher intelligence. Animal testing in my opinion is okay. We eat them too, and some scientists lean toward humain practices when testing things with animals.

You ever look into the Makeup Industry? 

Even Science is being held back by an Altruistic audience, while we got the most progress from nazi experiments and stuff like the Stanford Prison Experiment for psychology, data we'd lack in a kinder, wiser world. 

That first part I assume if an assumption. Today we have people who volunteer for clinical testing, though it may not work out too well, it's a risk they take. 

There are still a lot of ethical considerations they take which slow down acquisition quite a lot. 

The Stanford Prison Experiment for example is considered unethical, yet it taught us so much and is still a piece of anecdotal reference. 

Wisdom is more long lasting, but also less prone to change. A certain level of gumption is needed as someone intelligent, yet a wise person would say it's not worth the time. 

 Just because there is cruelty in the world, doesn't mean it's the mark of a higher intelligence. 

Would you say the richest people in the world are idiots? 

Criminals and delinquents have lower IQ's.

Serial killers, have lower IQ's than an average IQ, and these people are very sadistic, it's pleasant for them to kill. 

I explained this on a former post in response to Delora: 

Turncoat said: 

Delora said: 

So you think cruelty is intelligence?

No, someone can be a cruel idiot. 

Cruelty however is useful to intelligent people so many opt for it, while Wisdom is more likely to understand where that will have things end up. A ruthless mindset also tends to show more determination, and with it they tend to find more reason to acquire knowledge as power. 

People with the largest fortune tend to be less wise, while poor monks and the like tend to be very wise, maybe even at peace, but don't need to be smart to get there.

Check the richest people, check out big business practices that run the world, are those dumb? 

In the grand scheme if everyone were sadistic, we wouldn't make it where we are today. We'd be a retarded species.

The reason why it works out is over how enough aren't sadistic as to give those who are a leg up. 

Wisdom recognizes the problem, Intelligence often does not. Your rants about your idols demonstrate my points too, both from you and from them, and even from their audience. 

Again, have you not seen The Apprentice, or looked at Bezos' success? Even Musk is fairly ruthless and you were applauding him for it. 

Sadism is also considered to be a mental disorder. ( Transgenderism in my opinion is also a mental disorder ).

Disorders are only labeled as such when they pass a certain threshhold, otherwise they are referred to in the field as "Quirks", such as how many people have an OCD of some kind over one or two things, but not enough to be deemed classifiable. 

Sadism on it's own is a trait, a tendency, with the loudest expressions being the ones deemed disorderly. Social Sadism is a common practice by your fellow man, even you play into it. 

When the human brain is properly developed and we use higher percentages of it. We're certainly not going to become more brutish.

Tell that to Andrew Tate. 

If society, that is the people, were also sharper, it would be utterly dumb to fuck and think one can get away with malice. When the world knows you simply by looking at you. you'll either have to behave or be put to shame, or be destroyed for the greater good.  

This is why they do smokescreens and charity campaigns, to appeal to naive idiots who think the world is built on kindness. 

They even founded ways to write it off on their taxes, it is often at no true expense to them. 

janitor said: 

FOTS said: 

janitor said: 

 do you have any links to studies on sadism among animals?

 "Numerous studies have determined that indoor cats have a stronger propensity to play with their food. This is due to natural urges to avoid boredom and a bid to satisfy their desire for hunting." This is not exclusive to house cats, it's just one of many examples.

this aligns with my point, cats do this due to a strong prey drive (and lack of hunger), rather than sadism

 thats only half the story.  the key words in that quote is "satisfy their desire[s]" and "avoid boredom." 

cats derive pleasure from playing with the dying corpses of their prey.  That is sadistic by definition.

Dolphins derive pleasure from the sexual gratification of fucking fish heads. this is also sadistic. They know they can not reproduce with a dead fish. 

I'm pretty sure we're the highest intelligence of all the known creatures on the Earth.

Some will argue how there could be something here we're not aware of, like we're low functioning bugs compared to them, but I'm pretty sure we're higher up on the intelligence scale than cats and dolphins and every other plant and creature we can name.

We're talking about us, not the lower intelligence animal, and the best of us are functional and healthy to be around.

This conversation went wrong from the time TC brought up Sadism to counter my claim. Talking about Sadism and animals while talking seeking the truth about higher intelligence. That's very backward. 

People who enjoy inflicting pain on others are mentally ill and have lower IQ. They are not the same as people who do it for a higher cause. 

Sure the Neo Nazi's experimented and killed people for 12 years, but that doesn't mean every German doctor and person for that matter was okay with what was happening. Still the doctors and scientists had to perform their work.

Those who experiment and inflict pain and suffering, are lucky they don't have higher awareness where they'll feel what they are doing to others. Otherwise they'd only be inflicting pain on themselves. Duality is an illusion, but not the truth. 

Weird how the ones who are the most successful aren't good people, kinda throws holes in your theory doesn't it Spatial? 

Trump and Andrew Tate are mascots of your ideals, yet they completely contradict your current stance on intelligence. 

Spatial Mind said: 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

The higher one's intelligence is, the closer they are to the forces of good.

Pretty sure Nature proves otherwise there, it's the ones with higher functioning and some degree of cunning that tend to show a higher capacity for Sadism. The nice guys tend to proliferate and survive purely as a matter of population mechanics, like rabbits. 

Humans however have gone so far into the meta that they can question the value of either approach, rather than just feeling it out. Without a certain ruthlessness though nothing gets done. 

Higher capacity for Sadism LOL.

We shouldn't talk man.

Are animals not a part of "one's" in this case Spatial? 

Did you only mean human intelligence? Within that span I still see you conflating Wisdom and Intelligence. 

Ya we've kind of gotten lost in other arguments. 

Spatial Mind said:

The higher one's [human] intelligence is, the closer they are to the forces of good.

TC said:

The business world tends to embrace and endorse ruthlessness, and with it Sadism tends to sidecar...a lot of our best and brightest who find the most success are not good people. Even status quo shows an emphasis on selfish gains.

 This is what i see to be the two positions being argued here.  So, the question at hand: is intelligence more likely to cause an individual to develop a moral mind or wake him up to the possibilities of using his intellect to manipulate his way to success?

Intelligence allows somebody to become capable of understanding morality and gives them the ability of self-awareness. Though, those same tools of self-awareness gives them the knowledge of how to be more cunning in their cruelty. The tools are the same, its up to the user to decide how to utilize them.  

I think its an impossible question to answer because people are hypocrites to their core. The same person that cheated or abused people to garner success can also be pursuing righteous tasks: like Steve Jobs putting supercomputers in the fingertips of most of the globe. That is inherently altruistic but his motives and actions speak of malignance. 

FOTS said: 

Ya we've kind of gotten lost in other arguments. 

Spatial Mind said:

The higher one's [human] intelligence is, the closer they are to the forces of good.

TC said:

The business world tends to embrace and endorse ruthlessness, and with it Sadism tends to sidecar...a lot of our best and brightest who find the most success are not good people. Even status quo shows an emphasis on selfish gains.

 This is what i see to be the two positions being argued here.  So, the question at hand: is intelligence more likely to cause an individual to develop a moral mind or wake him up to the possibilities of using his intellect to manipulate his way to success?

Both. Though the higher intelligence doesn't need to fake it and scam their way to the top. Nor is the higher intelligence prone to getting arrested or destroyed in some way, unless falsely accused. 

Intelligence allows somebody to become capable of understanding morality and gives them the ability of self-awareness. Though, those same tools of self-awareness gives them the knowledge of how to be more cunning in their cruelty. The tools are the same, its up to the user to decide how to utilize them.  

While we're in an agnostic state, I think it's wiser to approach life as though there's light at the end of the tunnel when we pass away.

Of course the light to be a trick and it might be better not to pass through the light, who knows. 

Anyway, I find being sadistic and wicked to be a very unwise thing to do. I also understand this in other ways, but I don't feel like writing about it. It largely common sense.

Wickedness isn't all that sustainable eternally, while kindness is. If we are to live forever, and if we reap what we sow in this life, I'm afraid people who do dumb shit will have a hard eternity.

Also. When we look at stupidity, it's widely correlated with sin. That being, theft, murder, lies, immorality, and other degenerate low IQ shit.

People do dumb shit, and end up going to jail, cause they're dumb.

Stupidity itself is ignorance.

Lack of good sense of judgement.

Sadism isn't a good sense of judgement. It's mental masturbation in nature. Pleasure seeking with no good purpose. Serves no function, would be a cancer to our species if everyone were like that. I'd believe in suicide if everyone were sadistic, what a rotten species to be a part of if that were the case.

It'll also get your dealt with sooner or later.

Do you remember Vlad the Impaler ? The guy who used to impale people on a rod. Eventually he was ambushed and his head was cut off. He had it coming in my opinion. His soul will probably be answering for his immorality.

We're talking higher intelligence.

I think its an impossible question to answer because people are hypocrites to their core. The same person that cheated or abused people to garner success can also be pursuing righteous tasks: like Steve Jobs putting supercomputers in the fingertips of most of the globe. That is inherently altruistic but his motives and actions speak of malignance. 

 Steve Jobs never let his children use iPhones and iPads. He knew something's wrong with them. 

Steve Jobs was hardcore but for the right reasons I think. During a time where every kilobyte mattered, the world needed an asshole to motivate his team. Make it better, make it better, make it better etc. He gets credit, but he never built the machines or wrote the software. He was more of a director. Way too much work for 1 man. 

I liked Delora's take a wisdom and intelligence. Sadism being some indicator of higher intelligence is nothing be a counter argument fabricated right here that absolutely no one online is talking about. The more sadistic someone is, the more dysfunctional they are, and they probably should be put to rest. 

Tony said:

I liked Delora's take a wisdom and intelligence. Sadism being some indicator of higher intelligence is nothing be a counter argument fabricated right here that absolutely no one online is talking about. The more sadistic someone is, the more dysfunctional they are, and they probably should be put to rest

 Ty tony 

What use is intelligence to us that any person has if they are going to be a dick with it? The kindness of a moron is of more POTENTIAL use to the world then any measure of genius of an asshole that wants to use it to destroy. So who cares about that then? I don't.  

FOTS said: 

Spatial Mind said:

The higher one's [human] intelligence is, the closer they are to the forces of good.

TC said:

The business world tends to embrace and endorse ruthlessness, and with it Sadism tends to sidecar...a lot of our best and brightest who find the most success are not good people. Even status quo shows an emphasis on selfish gains.

This is what i see to be the two positions being argued here.  So, the question at hand: is intelligence more likely to cause an individual to develop a moral mind or wake him up to the possibilities of using his intellect to manipulate his way to success?

I argue both are possible but go by different words. 

Wisdom would fill in for the ones who see otherwise, but they tend to not accumulate as many resources. If anything, Wise-types learn how to live with less as to not feel the need to push too hard to get more. A wise man learns how to live with himself, while an intelligent one learns the world as to shift it. 

Again, compare the Mad Scientist to the Farmer, or the Business Tycoon to the Monk. Both are successful in their own light, but one acts while the other withstands. 

Intelligence allows somebody to become capable of understanding morality and gives them the ability of self-awareness. Though, those same tools of self-awareness gives them the knowledge of how to be more cunning in their cruelty. The tools are the same, its up to the user to decide how to utilize them.  

In RPG terms, Intelligence is Mental Strength while Wisdom is Mental Defense. The former is power and the latter is tenacity, much like comparing domming and subbing for how they both are otherwise not "Weak".