And yet it seems to garner supplementary traits that make for a more direct and ruthless person. Figure what kinds of behaviors a sadistic person might exhibit, then figure how they might run a business if they are smart enough to keep that shit to themselves.
While on it's own it may look bad, it cross-trains into other areas of success. A LOT of people in high ranked positions of power err in that direction.
i may have missed your original point, but surely success isn't a great metric for intelligence. Like for eg ants are wildly successful but pretty behind on quantum computing
Is Quantum Computing your measure of intelligence, and wouldn't someone who is good at that with a more direct, go-getter attitude show more acquisition of not just resources, but also the knowledge itself?
good question, think I picked quantum computing coz i dont know wtf it is, but same goes for way more basic shit like long division or how the economy works.. anything that can't be intuited and has to be figured out, I guess
My point began as being over how as species of animal in general show higher intelligence and cunning how there can be an increased proclivity towards Sadism. Following that I applied that model to humans to split it down between Wise and Intelligent, where Wise tries to find comfort in themselves while Intelligence tries to find comfort in some model of control over their environment instead.
Yeah i get the link between intelligent animals and being dicks, but that's chicken/egg right? Like youve gotta already have a degree of cognitive capacity to behave in a complex/counterintuitive way. Insects arent benevolent beings compared to dolphins, they just lack the functioning required to be an asshole. So while cruelty/sadism requires intelligence (or sentience, really, which is a lower bar), intelligence isn't contingent on (or even helped by) cruelty/sadism.
but also, I know dolphins are smart, and using fish as fleshlights is admittedly super dark.. but do they really have a moral philosophy that would make an action cruel? Most countries dont hold children criminally responsible coz they lack one, and im not convinced that any animal is as smart as a 10yo human.
The topic then shifted, after Spatial conceded that animals 'don't count', to Spatial claiming that Sadism is only for low IQ criminals. At that point however I was more arguing with him over how Sadism is not a sign of idiocy and failure by demonstrating a model where it works while also comparing it to his idols those he claims to look up to, then followed up with how those traits could exhibit themselves when they demonstrate 'a good sense of judgement'.
Somehow he thinks a sadist could not succeed in this world and cannot demonstrate intelligence, which is plain silly. Your average person exhibits some level of Sadism, yet he reserves the label only for the clearly deranged to make his point.
Spatial in particular has this idea that success = goodness while comparing it to business models, so I figured I'd do the same since his point seems contradictory to me when put next to his older rambles. He doesn't seem to recognize that their philanthropy and charity tend to be less than genuine while ignoring the qualities he is otherwise demonizing in this topic.
well, yeah.. I'll leave that alone lol
