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@sadism and @cruelty

Nazis. They were pretty smart, esp the high-ranking ones. Ofc there are exceptions, quite notable too lol. But some of the most cruel and sadistic people in the nazi regime, were pretty fucking smart. If Hitler wasn't so delusional and paranoid at the end, and took advise from those people, we might of been chatting in german rn. Those people made the entire regime work.

 

They were not smart, because they are cruel or sadistic, they just happen to be both and could use their characteristic to further their own goals.

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FOTS said: 

It is actually absurd that any of you think you are more intelligent than Alice. On top of that, having jim that high on a few of your lists is even more absurd.  I shouldn't even have to explain why since it's rather self-evident. 

Why?

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Lenalee said: 

I'm an absolute retardūüíē rock level IQ.

That's why I placed you so low in my ranking. Delora seemed to disagree, but I don't know why.

Turncoat said:
Even The Dilbert principle expresses how people who are less nice and less capable at the lower end get promotions, while your best and nicest tend to be stuck in the lower end positions. You have to know how to demand things out of life, and Sadism and Ruthlessness start predisposed there.

Smarter people also tend to show a self-alienating impatience with the repetitions of stupidity, which further isolates them from their peers.

Best tend to be stuck in the lower end positions? I thought there are quite a few studies demonstrating the opposite?

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FOTS said: 
janitor said: 
FOTS said: 

 "Numerous studies have determined that indoor cats have a stronger propensity to play with their food. This is due to natural urges to avoid boredom and a bid to satisfy their desire for hunting." This is not exclusive to house cats, it's just one of many examples.

this aligns with my point, cats do this due to a strong prey drive (and lack of hunger), rather than sadism

 thats only half the story.  the key words in that quote is "satisfy their desire[s]" and "avoid boredom." 

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cats derive pleasure from playing with the dying corpses of their prey.  That is sadistic by definition.

Disagree, this doesn't prove sadism is the motivation over fun. Cats will chase laser lights for hours. It's like saying people who hunt do it for sadistic pleasure over sport. Anyhow, this is a side tangent, the larger point was that intelligence and sadism are correlated. I think they're independent traits. 

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FOTS said: 

Ya we've kind of gotten lost in other arguments. 

Intelligence allows somebody to become capable of understanding morality and gives them the ability of self-awareness. Though, those same tools of self-awareness gives them the knowledge of how to be more cunning in their cruelty. The tools are the same, its up to the user to decide how to utilize them.  

I think its an impossible question to answer because people are hypocrites to their core. The same person that cheated or abused people to garner success can also be pursuing righteous tasks: like Steve Jobs putting supercomputers in the fingertips of most of the globe. That is inherently altruistic but his motives and actions speak of malignance. 

 This conflates ethics and sadism. Sadism is a particular sickness where one derives pleasure from others' pain. That's not the same as ruthless leaders or individuals who happen to hurt others as a by product to achieve their goals. 

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Delora said: 

What use is intelligence to us that any person has if they are going to be a dick with it? The kindness of a moron is of more POTENTIAL use to the world then any measure of genius of an asshole that wants to use it to destroy. So who cares about that then? I don't.  

 and once that person is found out they will have placed a target on their own back, limiting their social freedom and eventually leading to their demise. That doesn't seem intelligent. 

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And yet it seems to garner supplementary traits that make for a more direct and ruthless person. Figure what kinds of behaviors a sadistic person might exhibit, then figure how they might run a business if they are smart enough to keep that shit to themselves. 

While on it's own it may look bad, it cross-trains into other areas of success. A LOT of people in high ranked positions of power err in that direction. 

i may have missed your original point, but surely success isn't a great metric for intelligence. Like for eg ants are wildly successful but pretty behind on quantum computing

Is Quantum Computing your measure of intelligence, and wouldn't someone who is good at that with a more direct, go-getter attitude show more acquisition of not just resources, but also the knowledge itself?

good question, think I picked quantum computing coz i dont know wtf it is, but same goes for way more basic shit like long division or how the economy works.. anything that can't be intuited and has to be figured out, I guess

My point began as being over how as species of animal in general show higher intelligence and cunning how there can be an increased proclivity towards Sadism. Following that I applied that model to humans to split it down between Wise and Intelligent, where Wise tries to find comfort in themselves while Intelligence tries to find comfort in some model of control over their environment instead.

Yeah i get the link between intelligent animals and being dicks, but that's chicken/egg right? Like youve gotta already have a degree of cognitive capacity to behave in a complex/counterintuitive way. Insects arent benevolent beings compared to dolphins, they just lack the functioning required to be an asshole. So while cruelty/sadism requires intelligence (or sentience, really, which is a lower bar), intelligence isn't contingent on (or even helped by) cruelty/sadism.

but also, I know dolphins are smart, and using fish as fleshlights is admittedly super dark.. but do they really have a moral philosophy that would make an action cruel? Most countries dont hold children criminally responsible coz they lack one, and im not convinced that any animal is as smart as a 10yo human.

The topic then shifted, after Spatial conceded that animals 'don't count', to Spatial claiming that Sadism is only for low IQ criminals. At that point however I was more arguing with him over how Sadism is not a sign of idiocy and failure by demonstrating a model where it works while also comparing it to his idols those he claims to look up to, then followed up with how those traits could exhibit themselves when they demonstrate 'a good sense of judgement'.

Somehow he thinks a sadist could not succeed in this world and cannot demonstrate intelligence, which is plain silly. Your average person exhibits some level of Sadism, yet he reserves the label only for the clearly deranged to make his point.

Spatial in particular has this idea that success = goodness while comparing it to business models, so I figured I'd do the same since his point seems contradictory to me when put next to his older rambles. He doesn't seem to recognize that their philanthropy and charity tend to be less than genuine while ignoring the qualities he is otherwise demonizing in this topic.

well, yeah.. I'll leave that alone lol

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janitor said: 
Delora said: 

What use is intelligence to us that any person has if they are going to be a dick with it? The kindness of a moron is of more POTENTIAL use to the world then any measure of genius of an asshole that wants to use it to destroy. So who cares about that then? I don't.  

 and once that person is found out they will have placed a target on their own back, limiting their social freedom and eventually leading to their demise. That doesn't seem intelligent. 

 Exactly 

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Good said: 

@sadism and @cruelty

Nazis. They were pretty smart, esp the high-ranking ones. Ofc there are exceptions, quite notable too lol. But some of the most cruel and sadistic people in the nazi regime, were pretty fucking smart. If Hitler wasn't so delusional and paranoid at the end, and took advise from those people, we might of been chatting in german rn. Those people made the entire regime work.

 

They were not smart, because they are cruel or sadistic, they just happen to be both and could use their characteristic to further their own goals.

 They were so smart yet they fell in the end and went to prison crying that they didn't know wtf they were doing 

Hitler however was smart I'll admit that. 

But as I was saying USUALLY intelligence and cruelty don't co-exist. As reflected by Various STUDIES. 

USUALLY suggests exceptions to the rule.

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The most intelligent are those with a balance between kindness and cruelty.

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