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AppleGenius said: 

You did taekwondo or karate, right, TC?

Yeah, both.

I trained under my father who's a black belt in two styles and otherwise spent years of his life traveling to other dojos across the US to trade techniques (as well as religiously studying old VHS tapes). He saw that I'm shit at memorizing forms, so in our collective impatience he taught me a lot of what he knows and we otherwise spent obscene amounts of time with the aforementioned tapes being rewinded to the point of damage. I also cross-trained this with ballet, gymnastics, and dance, and otherwise sampled multiple masters to pick up a thing or two from getting into heated conversations about technique. 

Compared to how dedicated to that shit I used to be, I've let myself go a bit. I still love studying it but I can't will myself to train as readily anymore. 

I remember you posted a photo of yourself in a karate gi at some point or something. How long did you train?

I started martial arts and the above cross-training when I was five, and kept it up until I was 18 from living with my father. Once I went to college, that's when I began going to other dojos and trading notes with teachers (while also training friends of mine to around green belt level), but after that I kinda fell off the wagon and feel great shame. 

I still study it all with my eyes, but I don't even do my old stretch routines everyday anymore. The last few times I trained were when I was invited to different sparring bouts, one against a religiously christian martial arts group who only practiced punches (hehehe~) and a tournament where I had my ass handed to me by a guy who could do a surprisingly quick short hop followed by a downwards head smash. 

Turncoat said: 

AliceInWonderland said: 

Turncoat said: 

AliceInWonderland said: 

 Yes 

 The only legitimate means in which a female could physically overtake a guy is if she knows a form of Ji Jitsu. 

Or a style that uses kicks, or a style that uses pressure points, or basically any of the more sophisticated martial styles. 

Kicking can be effective but overall a man can overcome a female with pure brute force, and I am talking generally. 

How often is a man wearing a groin cup? 

A male who legit wants to harm you for whatever reason and is dead set on doing so can overcome an attack to the groin. 

If you're going to go for such an area you better be brutal as a kick is not going to do the job. 

Also these days there's no reason for someone to not know self defense. 

I agree.

Your average female cannot overtake a an average male and an a above average female cannot overtake an above average male.

If they're an idiot and try grappling this tends to be the case, or if both are untrained then the estrogen vs testosterone factor's a factor. 

There's more to fighting than raw strength, and many of the practices to boost that reduce their mobility. 

Yes but raw strength can overcome style. 

But a middleweight up against a heavyweight and the heavy weight will win, history even tells us this. 

I love style so don't get me wrong. 

Israel Adesanya is my favorite fighter atm because of style and movement but i wouldn't bet on him against a heavy weight fighter. 

Also, sophistication usually indicates the martial art is practically useless. 

If it's Thai Chi or some shit maybe, but a kick's more powerful than a punch and pressure points can fuck someone up on par with jiu jitsu. 

I saw a martial artist a while back (on old tapes) who apparently trained to be able to throw people with just two fingers. Finesse can overcome power, it just becomes less straight forward. 

lol

Arts that are effective such as wrestling, Muay Thai, and JJ are effective because they are not sophisticated. 

Jiu Jitsu, the style where you use an opponent's weight against them in lieu of power, is seen as a non-sophisticated style to you? 

It isn't all that sophisticated, I practiced it for several years and can tell you that it is fundamentally simple.

...also Muay Thai might be great and all for it's penetrating blows and eight points of attack, but it's both terrible on their bodies and someone who's practiced it can recognize how rigid their moves are if not mixed with something flowier. 

Yes, but it is effective and practical. 

There's a reason everyone who is trying to become a professional fighter practices it...because when put up against other stand up styles it has proven itself again and again. 

In fact this is the fight that changed everything and brought it to the west. 

It's rigidity is an asset and Ruckus, whom is one of the greatest fighters in history, switched to it after this fight for that reason. 

The rigid stance protects the legs, an open stance that allows for fluid movement doesn't. 

"The only legitimate means", lol. I've seen some women in my day give the men a run for their money in the sparring ring, especially if they were hardcore with a background in dance. 

I have seen this as well, the problem is sparring is very controlled and isn't akin to a real self defense situation. 

In a real self defense situation you can break rules, kicking them in the nads, using your nails, going for the eyes, hitting them with tools, etc. It otherwise boosts confidence when it comes to transferring that practice towards more realistic applications, especially if it's Olympic rules instead of Point Sparring. 

A controlled situation actually boosts the male's chances.

I disagree. 

 

I am stating all this as someone with 5 years boxing and JJ experience. 

I hope your ability to dodge isn't just restricted to your upper body then, as this combination sounds rigid and clunky on paper in spite of the potential for speed it'd otherwise lend towards. 

Combining styles is key. 

JKD foot work mixed with muay thai is highly effective and in fact was the basis of MMA at its start for this reason. 

JKD is explosive while Muay Thai does damage and reduces it. 

The only time I've seen a female legitimately take down a male is using BJJ and there was always an experience differential. 

By comparison I've seen men have mobility and limberness issues by the virtue of their parts and their build, and from experience I've felt more impact from female kicks than male ones. 

 I would much rather be kicked by a female who knows how to kick than a male who knows how to kick from experience. 

 The larger the person is the harder they can throw a punch, kick, or elbow. 

That's where my advantage lies in fact, I am tall and and weigh more as a result. 

This also translates to wrestling and JJ, though being flexible as well helps in this situation. 

Tall guys and girls who I went against in BJJ were way harder to deal with and when they were more flexiable then me (Which isn't hard to achieve) I could not win. This is where I think woman have an advantage. 

AliceInWonderland said:

Turncoat said:

How often is a man wearing a groin cup? 

A male who legit wants to harm you for whatever reason and is dead set on doing so can overcome an attack to the groin. 

They'd need to be in a fucking rage, and even then you heavily underestimate the pain of a swift hit to the groin (especially if they're trying to be a sexual predator). 

From experience, it's knee buckling-ly awful, the stomach tightens, vision goes white... and that wasn't even from a full power hit. 

If you're going to go for such an area you better be brutal as a kick is not going to do the job.  

You highly underestimate kicks, but I guess that's to be expected from a boxer. 

A kick is stronger but slower, which is why TKD aims for kicks as fast as punches while punch-pure aim for punches as powerful as kicks. Combining them allows punches to grant openings for kicks, and if they try to backstep a kick has just enough reach to catch them at their moment of irresolution. 

Your average female cannot overtake a an average male and an a above average female cannot overtake an above average male.

If they're an idiot and try grappling this tends to be the case, or if both are untrained then the estrogen vs testosterone factor's a factor. 

There's more to fighting than raw strength, and many of the practices to boost that reduce their mobility. 

Yes but raw strength can overcome style. 

Until you aim for their knees, neck, temple, elbows, nose, etc. The Protector had an interesting handle on this argument: 

Part 1 (the humbling): 


Part 2 (compensating): 


Raw strength overcomes style as far as the fight being fair, but martial arts is also about deception and the milling of your opponent, and the ring doesn't lend to a knack for situational awareness. 

But a middleweight up against a heavyweight and the heavy weight will win, history even tells us this. 

It's as true as the limitations of the ring. 

Put a middle weight against a heavyweight in a bar brawl or street fight and it becomes anyone's game. 

I love style so don't get me wrong. 

Most don't, but you also seem to reflect the modern MMA idea of sports combat; that raw power can be better than strategy. 

Israel Adesanya is my favorite fighter atm because of style and movement but i wouldn't bet on him against a heavy weight fighter. 

What if this fight weren't in the ring though? 

If it's Thai Chi or some shit maybe, but a kick's more powerful than a punch and pressure points can fuck someone up on par with jiu jitsu. 

I saw a martial artist a while back (on old tapes) who apparently trained to be able to throw people with just two fingers. Finesse can overcome power, it just becomes less straight forward. 

lol

Loling in general, or are you somehow under the impression that a punch is stronger than a kick? 

Arts that are effective such as wrestling, Muay Thai, and JJ are effective because they are not sophisticated. 

Jiu Jitsu, the style where you use an opponent's weight against them in lieu of power, is seen as a non-sophisticated style to you? 

It isn't all that sophisticated, I practiced it for several years and can tell you that it is fundamentally simple.

It's a style that uses form and movement to disable your opponents instead of just breaking them with your fists, and they often talk about how to optimize it towards nonlethal takedowns. 

It's a sophisticated style, you aren't just punching wood for hours. 

...also Muay Thai might be great and all for it's penetrating blows and eight points of attack, but it's both terrible on their bodies and someone who's practiced it can recognize how rigid their moves are if not mixed with something flowier. 

Yes, but it is effective and practical. 

So is punching a brick of metal every single day until you have a gnarled up death fist, but that doesn't make it strong enough to do the job on it's own. 

"Effective and practical" is the Krav Maga slogan, and it's the gateway to shitty martial arts, and again Muay Thai leaves you horribly, career endingly, exposed to breaks from thinking elbows and knees can take it. They can even end up breaking themselves on their opponent as a matter of bad luck over how reckless the practices are. 

There's a reason everyone who is trying to become a professional fighter practices it...because when put up against other stand up styles it has proven itself again and again. 

They're just following the current canon, one that lends towards the rules of engagement more than a real fight. 

In fact this is the fight that changed everything and brought it to the west. 

It's rigidity is an asset and Ruckus, whom is one of the greatest fighters in history, switched to it after this fight for that reason. 

The rigid stance protects the legs, an open stance that allows for fluid movement doesn't. 

It doesn't if you aim for their knees, and many styles, even as baseline as TKD and Karate, have the perfect downwards stomp to ruin them. 

They hit like lumber, but their telegraph is longer and they put themselves at needless risk. It's powerful, but reckless. 

"The only legitimate means", lol. I've seen some women in my day give the men a run for their money in the sparring ring, especially if they were hardcore with a background in dance. 

I have seen this as well, the problem is sparring is very controlled and isn't akin to a real self defense situation. 

In a real self defense situation you can break rules, kicking them in the nads, using your nails, going for the eyes, hitting them with tools, etc. It otherwise boosts confidence when it comes to transferring that practice towards more realistic applications, especially if it's Olympic rules instead of Point Sparring. 

A controlled situation actually boosts the male's chances.

I disagree. 

What's your take on it, for contrast? 

I am stating all this as someone with 5 years boxing and JJ experience. 

I hope your ability to dodge isn't just restricted to your upper body then, as this combination sounds rigid and clunky on paper in spite of the potential for speed it'd otherwise lend towards. 

Combining styles is key. 

Yes yes it is. 

I may not prescribe to Muay Thai, but I've definitely learned a thing or two about using legs as four points of contact instead of two as well as the strength that comes from their power swing approach to kicking. 

The only time I've seen a female legitimately take down a male is using BJJ and there was always an experience differential. 

By comparison I've seen men have mobility and limberness issues by the virtue of their parts and their build, and from experience I've felt more impact from female kicks than male ones. 

I would much rather be kicked by a female who knows how to kick than a male who knows how to kick from experience. 

I've learned to stop feeling that way. 

 The larger the person is the harder they can throw a punch, kick, or elbow. 

From experience anyway, it also makes them slower which leaves a wider window for telegraphing.

Even if they're fast for their size, you can't ignore how much surface area they're stuck moving around. A smaller opponent is simply faster for this reason, but in exchange they lack reach and bulk. 

That's where my advantage lies in fact, I am tall and and weigh more as a result. 

I'm at the middle, so I've had to work on strategies for each.

TC watch some MMA instead of citing fucking action flicks you absolute retard.

Spiderman said: 

TC watch some MMA instead of citing fucking action flicks you absolute retard.

Early Tony Jaa's pretty fire though. 

Erm... TC, Muay Thai doesn't use the actual knee or the actual elbow.

I only know a little of the technique, but what I did use was alarmingly effective. I did far more damage than I meant to when I used what I had recently been taught.

You use the shins and the back of your forearm. You bring your arm up to somewhere between what you would do to strike and what you would do to block. So you're hitting your opponent with the meat and bone a few inches below your elbows and knees.

You can also do a combo with a light punch that grazes, and then rounds out into a killer blow with the 'elbow' (the toughest part of the forearm just under the elbow.) This technique is far more effective for women bc they tend to have weak hands and wrists that take years to toughen up. The old cliche "punch like a girl" is absolutely true. A vast majority of women can't punch without years of practice on bags of rice or heavy bags or w/e.

Women's bones are less dense and easier to break. My stupid wrists broke in that fall on the ice I had last winter, and they never healed properly. They're weak af, now.

And wtf? The big ones can be pretty fast if they're trained.

AliceInWonderland said: 

AppleGenius said: 

AliceInWonderland said: 

Kicking can be effective but overall a man can overcome a female with pure brute force, and I am talking generally. 

Your average female cannot overtake a an average male and an a above average female cannot overtake an above average male.

Also, sophistication usually indicates the martial art is practically useless. 

Arts that are effective such as wrestling, Muay Thai, and JJ are effective because they are not sophisticated.

How about Krav Maga and Kyokushin? They teach you to kick to the balls. That seems pretty effective. If Scarlett wants to learn self-defense, I think the easiest path to that (save for purchasing a gun) is to learn the art of kicking the crotch and punching the throat.

They are effective as they are simple, but your chances are infinitely better if you own a gun. 

The only arts I would recommend is anything utilized by military forces, Muay Thai, Wrestling, and JJ. 

And never learn tae kwon do (at least these days, in the past it was different - it has lots all practicality) 

I have seen this as well, the problem is sparring is very controlled and isn't akin to a real self defense situation. 

I am stating all this as someone with 5 years boxing and JJ experience. 

The only time I've seen a female legitimately take down a male is using BJJ and there was always an experience differential.

You did boxing? Cool.

Yes. 

Started out learning Jeet Kune Do, Kali, and Silat. 

Later moved on to do Muay Thai and BJJ. 

Yes. The guy who taught me self defense was an army brat.

He taught me what are commonly referred to as "ripping school moves."

And I have to be extremely angry to use them.

I believe they were a combination of wrestling, muay thai, aikido and krav maga.

Mostly aikido.