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AliceInWonderland said: 

Xena said: 

That's what I said. She has to arm herself.

Hell no an unarmed woman can't take down most guys. I've known a few extremely well trained women (brown belt in tae kwon do, red belt in karate, one said she was into kickboxing) who got their asses handed to them trying that. One was put in a wheelchair. I'm not sure if she's still alive.

Tryp and I just had a very interesting discussion about the last guy I maimed.

It turned into a big bitchfest for everybody here about 6 years ago.

 

It is possible, but Like I said, you have to be willing to kill the guy.

There is no bouncing some wee teacup off his head and then running away.

 

You have to be willing to pick up a large metal object like a cast iron frying pan or a hammer, heavy enough to do serious damage to him, but not heavy enough to slow down your swing or throw you off balance.

And you have to be willing to slam his skull with it 5, 6, 8 times, until he's down.

Which means it's extremely likely that he will die from the head trauma.

 Yes 

 The only legitimate means in which a female could physically overtake a guy is if she knows a form of Ji Jitsu. 

 If we treat this as a problem of opportunity cost a gun beats out any form of physical combat as the learning curve is the   capability of point an object at another object and does not rely on the physicality of the individual. 

 

 

Yes, but bludgeoning a would be rapist is easier to explain away as self defense than shooting him.

Unless you're in the US, ofc. In most states, all you have to say is that he broke in and trespassed.

In other countries people flip out over guns, even if they're being used in self defense.

Aus is one of those countries, if I'm reading the gun debates correctly.

AliceInWonderland said: 

 Yes 

 The only legitimate means in which a female could physically overtake a guy is if she knows a form of Ji Jitsu. 

Or a style that uses kicks, or a style that uses pressure points, or basically any of the more sophisticated martial styles. 

"The only legitimate means", lol. I've seen some women in my day give the men a run for their money in the sparring ring, especially if they were hardcore with a background in dance. 

 If we treat this as a problem of opportunity cost a gun beats out any form of physical combat as the learning curve is the  capability of point an object at another object and does not rely on the physicality of the individual. 

Not sure I'd trust Scarlet with a gun, considering how she self-narrates.

Just saying. 

lol who cares, still up for zoomer town of salem or nah

Turncoat said: 

AliceInWonderland said: 

 Yes 

 The only legitimate means in which a female could physically overtake a guy is if she knows a form of Ji Jitsu. 

Or a style that uses kicks, or a style that uses pressure points, or basically any of the more sophisticated martial styles. 

Kicking can be effective but overall a man can overcome a female with pure brute force, and I am talking generally. 

Your average female cannot overtake a an average male and an a above average female cannot overtake an above average male.

Also, sophistication usually indicates the martial art is practically useless. 

Arts that are effective such as wrestling, Muay Thai, and JJ are effective because they are not sophisticated. 

"The only legitimate means", lol. I've seen some women in my day give the men a run for their money in the sparring ring, especially if they were hardcore with a background in dance. 

I have seen this as well, the problem is sparring is very controlled and isn't akin to a real self defense situation. 

I am stating all this as someone with 5 years boxing and JJ experience. 

The only time I've seen a female legitimately take down a male is using BJJ and there was always an experience differential. 

 If we treat this as a problem of opportunity cost a gun beats out any form of physical combat as the learning curve is the  capability of point an object at another object and does not rely on the physicality of the individual. 

Not sure I'd trust Scarlet with a gun, considering how she self-narrates.

Just saying. 

 lol True

 Regardless it is the one true equalizer. 

AliceInWonderland said: 

Kicking can be effective but overall a man can overcome a female with pure brute force, and I am talking generally. 

Your average female cannot overtake a an average male and an a above average female cannot overtake an above average male.

Also, sophistication usually indicates the martial art is practically useless. 

Arts that are effective such as wrestling, Muay Thai, and JJ are effective because they are not sophisticated.

How about Krav Maga and Kyokushin? They teach you to kick to the balls. That seems pretty effective. If Scarlett wants to learn self-defense, I think the easiest path to that (save for purchasing a gun) is to learn the art of kicking the crotch and punching the throat.

I have seen this as well, the problem is sparring is very controlled and isn't akin to a real self defense situation. 

I am stating all this as someone with 5 years boxing and JJ experience. 

The only time I've seen a female legitimately take down a male is using BJJ and there was always an experience differential.

You did boxing? Cool.

Xena said: 

AliceInWonderland said: 

Xena said: 

That's what I said. She has to arm herself.

Hell no an unarmed woman can't take down most guys. I've known a few extremely well trained women (brown belt in tae kwon do, red belt in karate, one said she was into kickboxing) who got their asses handed to them trying that. One was put in a wheelchair. I'm not sure if she's still alive.

Tryp and I just had a very interesting discussion about the last guy I maimed.

It turned into a big bitchfest for everybody here about 6 years ago.

 

It is possible, but Like I said, you have to be willing to kill the guy.

There is no bouncing some wee teacup off his head and then running away.

 

You have to be willing to pick up a large metal object like a cast iron frying pan or a hammer, heavy enough to do serious damage to him, but not heavy enough to slow down your swing or throw you off balance.

And you have to be willing to slam his skull with it 5, 6, 8 times, until he's down.

Which means it's extremely likely that he will die from the head trauma.

 Yes 

 The only legitimate means in which a female could physically overtake a guy is if she knows a form of Ji Jitsu. 

 If we treat this as a problem of opportunity cost a gun beats out any form of physical combat as the learning curve is the   capability of point an object at another object and does not rely on the physicality of the individual. 

 

 

 

Yes, but bludgeoning a would be rapist is easier to explain away as self defense than shooting him.

Unless you're in the US, ofc. In most states, all you have to say is that he broke in and trespassed.

In other countries people flip out over guns, even if they're being used in self defense.

Aus is one of those countries, if I'm reading the gun debates correctly.

 Indeed, and it's becoming increasingly difficult in the U.S. though it varies by state. 

 I'm pretty Australia had a pretty expansive crackdown within the last two decades so I imagine you're correct. 

AliceInWonderland said: 

Turncoat said: 

AliceInWonderland said: 

 Yes 

 The only legitimate means in which a female could physically overtake a guy is if she knows a form of Ji Jitsu. 

Or a style that uses kicks, or a style that uses pressure points, or basically any of the more sophisticated martial styles. 

Kicking can be effective but overall a man can overcome a female with pure brute force, and I am talking generally. 

How often is a man wearing a groin cup? 

Also these days there's no reason for someone to not know self defense. 

Your average female cannot overtake a an average male and an a above average female cannot overtake an above average male.

If they're an idiot and try grappling this tends to be the case, or if both are untrained then the estrogen vs testosterone factor's a factor. 

There's more to fighting than raw strength, and many of the practices to boost that reduce their mobility. 

Also, sophistication usually indicates the martial art is practically useless. 

If it's Thai Chi or some shit maybe, but a kick's more powerful than a punch and pressure points can fuck someone up on par with jiu jitsu. 

I saw a martial artist a while back (on old tapes) who apparently trained to be able to throw people with just two fingers. Finesse can overcome power, it just becomes less straight forward. 

Arts that are effective such as wrestling, Muay Thai, and JJ are effective because they are not sophisticated. 

Jiu Jitsu, the style where you use an opponent's weight against them in lieu of power, is seen as a non-sophisticated style to you? 

...also Muay Thai might be great and all for it's penetrating blows and eight points of attack, but it's both terrible on their bodies and someone who's practiced it can recognize how rigid their moves are if not mixed with something flowier. 

"The only legitimate means", lol. I've seen some women in my day give the men a run for their money in the sparring ring, especially if they were hardcore with a background in dance. 

I have seen this as well, the problem is sparring is very controlled and isn't akin to a real self defense situation. 

In a real self defense situation you can break rules, kicking them in the nads, using your nails, going for the eyes, hitting them with tools, etc. It otherwise boosts confidence when it comes to transferring that practice towards more realistic applications, especially if it's Olympic rules instead of Point Sparring. 

A controlled situation actually boosts the male's chances. 

I am stating all this as someone with 5 years boxing and JJ experience. 

I hope your ability to dodge isn't just restricted to your upper body then, as this combination sounds rigid and clunky on paper in spite of the potential for speed it'd otherwise lend towards. 

The only time I've seen a female legitimately take down a male is using BJJ and there was always an experience differential. 

By comparison I've seen men have mobility and limberness issues by the virtue of their parts and their build, and from experience I've felt more impact from female kicks than male ones. 

AppleGenius said: 

AliceInWonderland said: 

Kicking can be effective but overall a man can overcome a female with pure brute force, and I am talking generally. 

Your average female cannot overtake a an average male and an a above average female cannot overtake an above average male.

Also, sophistication usually indicates the martial art is practically useless. 

Arts that are effective such as wrestling, Muay Thai, and JJ are effective because they are not sophisticated.

How about Krav Maga and Kyokushin? They teach you to kick to the balls. That seems pretty effective. If Scarlett wants to learn self-defense, I think the easiest path to that (save for purchasing a gun) is to learn the art of kicking the crotch and punching the throat.

They are effective as they are simple, but your chances are infinitely better if you own a gun. 

The only arts I would recommend is anything utilized by military forces, Muay Thai, Wrestling, and JJ. 

And never learn tae kwon do (at least these days, in the past it was different - it has lots all practicality) 

I have seen this as well, the problem is sparring is very controlled and isn't akin to a real self defense situation. 

I am stating all this as someone with 5 years boxing and JJ experience. 

The only time I've seen a female legitimately take down a male is using BJJ and there was always an experience differential.

You did boxing? Cool.

Yes. 

Started out learning Jeet Kune Do, Kali, and Silat. 

Later moved on to do Muay Thai and BJJ. 

You did taekwondo or karate, right, TC? I remember you posted a photo of yourself in a karate gi at some point or something. How long did you train?

AliceInWonderland said: 

Later moved on to do Muay Thai and BJJ. 

Oh, you're pretty into martial arts then?

AliceInWonderland said: 

They are effective as they are simple, but your chances are infinitely better if you own a gun. 

Not going to argue with that :P

Yes. 

Started out learning Jeet Kune Do, Kali, and Silat. 

Later moved on to do Muay Thai and BJJ. 

Silat? Isn't that, like, an Indonesian martial art or something? You've been doing like everything. Did you do MMA as well?