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 I am merely stating that a man who seriously wants to do do you harm can power through a females kick as they probably have 50-100 pounds on the female. 

Isn't that more of a matter of demographics? 

If both are otherwise untrained beyond the function of the technique (for the sake of this we'll go with a brawlers swing versus a basic side kick for the comparison), the arms are only as trained as your usage of them, while legs are cross-trained passively by simply walking around. By nature of their anatomy, they can kick while putting less at risk and otherwise tend to pack more force anatomically by comparison to men's. 

If both are trained, then it's more of a T vs E count question for physicality and otherwise a matter of how much room there is to coast from the environment (improvised weapons, environmental factors, whatever you'd find outside of a sports ring). While muscle and bulk does give an advantage, especially in a cage match format, otherwise avoiding being hit at all or being otherwise slippery lends to smaller forms. 

Supposedly, female muscle is also more fatigue-resistant with faster recovery in spite if having lower output when generally compared to male muscle, plus as a mass comparison argument females are more by design built around leg strength. 

Until you aim for their knees, neck, temple, elbows, nose, etc. The Protector had an interesting handle on this argument: 

Part 1 (the humbling): 


Part 2 (compensating): 


Raw strength overcomes style as far as the fight being fair, but martial arts is also about deception and the milling of your opponent, and the ring doesn't lend to a knack for situational awareness. 

Perhaps but IDK many females who have the situational awareness and confidence to deal with a man larger and stronger than themselves out in the streets. 

You... don't? 

Hands to hand is always risky and that risk amplifies when you are dealing with a male larger than you, even if you are trained. 

This is why IRL combat's better done dirty. Unless you have the room to show off, it's a much more varied set of options when you (and your opponent) can go straight for weak points. 

Most trainers feel this way too, if your a female they advise you to disengage and get away as quickly as possible because your chances against a male are slim. Men are just stronger and can take more damage, you have to hit them hard to take them out and they don't have to hit you hard to take you out. Very simple. 

It's a matter of appraising your individual advantages and otherwise knowing yourself, and frankly that sucks that your trainers aren't more progressive than that. While I agree it's good to tell both genders to disengage and try to get out of there (knives know no gender, it's not worth it), this outdated notion of femme learned helplessness only furthers itself through it's continued propagation. 

You don't have to hit "a man" that hard if they aren't otherwise training, trust me, while women I've seen can have surprising levels of pain tolerance compared to their male counterparts who are otherwise more about output. While there are definitely chemical functions in the body that lend to thematic differences in ability between the two genders, women are tougher through having less weak points and through their physiology itself, generally more flexible, and could potentially outlast typical male counterparts if it becomes a matter of duration. 

It's as true as the limitations of the ring. 

Put a middle weight against a heavyweight in a bar brawl or street fight and it becomes anyone's game. 

Same rules apply in my opinion, that's what makes MMA great. 

Cage fighting is not the same thing as fighting someone outside, you have far less options when you're trapped in a box with another dude. 

The only difference is you can't elbow to the back of the head, attack the goin, and you wear gloves. 

You also can't run into another room, push people in front of them, throw or swing things at them, can't utilize doors or stairs, can't optimize the social situation to your advantage... 

It's just two men fighting with all the complications removed so that it could be sporting. I respect it in a min/maxing sort of way, but it's developed in a direction that favors knowing you and your opponent can't leave the arena. They're pit fighters, one-on-one warriors of their own right I'd never want to fuck with, but MMA's canon as we know it was filtered through the limitations of the sport rather than built to be ready for anything. 

Most don't, but you also seem to reflect the modern MMA idea of sports combat; that raw power can be better than strategy. 

I think strategy and raw power > then strategy and style. 

So if it were a football player who's had a few fights at the bar versus a kung fu master comprised of only lean muscle from an overactive metabolism, you'd expect the somewhat-practiced brute to outdo the thin stylemaster? 

Heavyweights are competent fighters and they have strategy, the difference is they are a lot harder to knock out and they can hit a lot harder then lower weight classes. 

The sport also protects their weak points. 

I'm just trying to imagine how much crazier the sport would be if they allowed such things, they'd have to optimize within an entirely different mindset. 

If it's Thai Chi or some shit maybe, but a kick's more powerful than a punch and pressure points can fuck someone up on par with jiu jitsu. 

I saw a martial artist a while back (on old tapes) who apparently trained to be able to throw people with just two fingers. Finesse can overcome power, it just becomes less straight forward. 

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Loling in general, or are you somehow under the impression that a punch is stronger than a kick? 

Lol in general, kicks are superior imo. 

I dunno about superior... 

Punches are nice for being quick to execute before returning to a proper guard, while kicks are better for catching openings and knees better for when they're too up-close for punches. They all have a purpose, and I personally wish my hands were better. 

Kicks I will admit feel better... but some are purely for the sake of being flashy enough to embarrass your opponent. If you have time to hit with tornado kicks for example, the enemy must be tired or otherwise bad at their job. 

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Like, I love it, it's hands down my favorite kick, but it's not efficient at all. It's more fun like the way parkour is fun rather than anything practical. 

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It's a style that uses form and movement to disable your opponents instead of just breaking them with your fists, and they often talk about how to optimize it towards nonlethal takedowns. 

It's a sophisticated style, you aren't just punching wood for hours. 

Grappling and locking systems are not that complicated imo. 

I disagree, entirely. I can teach someone kicking basics in a week, but grabs and locks take a lot of time to really master in a way that isn't entirely rehearsed. 

...my dad's tried to teach me some of Wing Chun's handwork, even just that I'm absolute garbage at, but punches and kicks? Those are easy enough to learn even by just following the movements from a youtube video, and can be done by yourself, and could be picked up similarly to learning dance maneuvers. 

Don't sell grappling short, it's a fighting style built on a foundation of knowledge rather than raw movement solely, while styles based purely on impact and movement can be learned much more easily. 

Reduce complexity and rely on a number of principals and positions that if used and obtained give you all the leverage and opens up possibility for submission. It's like playing Chess, it may seem complicated but once you learn a number of principals like the potentiality of the center of the board your playing vastly improves. 

Martial arts though is more like if you could have the pieces on the board all be anything you wanted, like an entire row of knights versus an entire row of rooks. 

Chess is amazing for how it offers tons of complexity within an otherwise rigid system, but martial arts is a flow, it can be freestyled to a certain degree and as a result become a reflection of one's creative drive just as much as a physical one. Even things like learning to feint apply social aspects to combat that aren't purely a part of the fighting forms themselves, the sorts of things you could only add to the board by treating it more like a canvas. 

So is punching a brick of metal every single day until you have a gnarled up death fist, but that doesn't make it strong enough to do the job on it's own. 

"Effective and practical" is the Krav Maga slogan, and it's the gateway to shitty martial arts, and again Muay Thai leaves you horribly, career endingly, exposed to breaks from thinking elbows and knees can take it. They can even end up breaking themselves on their opponent as a matter of bad luck over how reckless the practices are. 

Yes when put up against other systems is has proven itself as more effective again and again. 

Once again, there's a reason why everyone in the profesional fighting world uses it as their base...everyone who used other systems as a base didn't far well. 

Which one, MMA or Krav? 

If you mean Krav, that shit's hype. It's literally a fighting style meant to be able to be picked up quick that combats untrained brawlers and takes shortcuts that overall weaken it in the name of some sort of short sighted efficiency. Training one side gives a trained defensive opponent a huge advantage when it comes to reading Krav's telegraphs, and if the opponent aimed to bust a limb to end the fight, he'd only have to work half as hard. 

It's better than nothing, but most forms of it I've seen being taught portray that it's optimized versus the everyman rather than versus other martial artists. You have to mix it with things as it's otherwise not that much on it's own. 

It doesn't if you aim for their knees, and many styles, even as baseline as TKD and Karate, have the perfect downwards stomp to ruin them. 

They hit like lumber, but their telegraph is longer and they put themselves at needless risk. It's powerful, but reckless. 

Muay Thai has knee stomps etc. 

The difference between in and modern tae kwon doe and Karate is that its practicality comes out of experince where a match is built around actually taking your opponent out vs merely earning points and disengaging. 

Tae kwon Doe and Karate are now seen collectively as inferior and impractical, not because they are but because the standard of training as degraded since the late 80's as it became more geared towards soft competition. This is not universal, but in general people find a hard time finding good instructors who are of the old guard. I'd argue something similar is happening to BJJ. 

Yeah Tae Kwon Do is a sport, one that literally ran away from most other styles when they got all hot headed and felt like other styles were being "unfair". It took a while for many of them to even branch back into the wider world of martial arts rather than just sparring each other. While it has practical applications, it puts the "Art" in Martial Art. 

Karate meanwhile... is so widespread that it's like making a general statement about Gung Fu. A lot of Karate is only about usage, but their usage sometimes errs towards... meditative min/maxing. 

Muay Thai meanwhile was a style that reflects both aspects of tradition and warfare strategy, one that in the modern age is becoming increasingly optimized as they rid of the traditions. It has some very nice principles and techniques in it, but it works better as a matter of it's components rather than for the sum of it's parts. 

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It's not too late for a rape kit. Sperm can survive in the female body for 7 days GO TO THE POLICE

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 mmmkay I didn't read everything but I'll chime in a bit

It's not too late for a rape kit. Sperm can survive in the female body for 7 days GO TO THE POLICE

 it is, I think I don't think I need to spell it out more than this if I just repeat it "he put me in the shower" I'm clean, and not sure if he used a condom either. no residue on the bed I can find. And even if there was still sperm up there, which I doubt seeing he was smart enough to clean me, so probably did use a comdom, it isn't proof of rape. Where I live they are very backwards about stuff like this, they want you to go in to do a rape kit immediately after the fact while in the same clothing etc and they refuse to store results unless you are ready to press charged immediately. which  poses a big problem for some women who might have been raped by someone they feel conflicted about sending to prison. There have been women going into police stations to report abuse who've had their statements torn up infront of them. I basically live in the florida/texas hybrid of australia.

 

AliceInWonderland said:
The only legitimate means in which a female could physically overtake a guy is if she knows a form of Ji Jitsu.

 I did say I know jiu jitsu, first studied japanese style for form, then brazilian because it's more combat focused. I spar with men bigger than me and win fairly regularly. 

But I'm also not an idiot and I know my reactions speed is slower than most men. I generally try to avoid situations like this all together, I can scream loudly and run fast. engaging in a fight is a worst situation kind of thing and ofc I'd use a weapon if I had one on hand. kicking is a terrible idea unless you're certain your reaction time is quicker than his because they are so easily caught, then a quick twist and raise of your leg and you're in an incredibly vulnerable position. 

 

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all the things blanc said

 I'm not a stranger to violence, fighting and rape. I hate how unrealistic fights are in media, and most martial arts aren't like real fighting either. I assure you I have more experience and starting from a much younger age. you'd be surprised what I can do when threatened, if I'm sober enough to do it, and if I'm not conflicted about hurting the person. There are people walking around permanently scarred because of me.

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blanc said:
all the things blanc said

 I'm not a stranger to violence, fighting and rape. I hate how unrealistic fights are in media, and most martial arts aren't like real fighting either. I assure you I have more experience and starting from a much younger age. you'd be surprised what I can do when threatened, if I'm sober enough to do it, and if I'm not conflicted about hurting the person. There are people walking around permanently scarred because of me.

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So a few things:

Why didn't you just talk to someone here if you felt lonely for conversation? Tinder seems like an odd choice to be wanting just conversation when the majority on the app use it for dick/pussy appointments. 

Why did you leave yourself open to being violated like this? 

Inviting a stranger to your home, letting them have this information on you when you've known how dangerous some men are- one of them being your ex boyfriend Shifty?

Drinking something someone else brought, that even without the implied drugging would have still left you vulnerable because duh! Alcohol

"Too late for a rape kit."??? Um, bro you got snapchat messages, tinder messages- do you still not have cameras set up?

Like this is going to come off as victim shaming I guess but, like what is wrong with you? This comes off a bit like attention seeking behavior through being a willing victim. 

Get better dude 

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Crimson said: 

It's not too late for a rape kit. Sperm can survive in the female body for 7 days GO TO THE POLICE

 it is, I think I don't think I need to spell it out more than this if I just repeat it "he put me in the shower" I'm clean, and not sure if he used a condom either. no residue on the bed I can find. And even if there was still sperm up there, which I doubt seeing he was smart enough to clean me, so probably did use a comdom, it isn't proof of rape. Where I live they are very backwards about stuff like this, they want you to go in to do a rape kit immediately after the fact while in the same clothing etc and they refuse to store results unless you are ready to press charged immediately. which  poses a big problem for some women who might have been raped by someone they feel conflicted about sending to prison. There have been women going into police stations to report abuse who've had their statements torn up infront of them. I basically live in the florida/texas hybrid of australia. 

So you think he used a 'comdom', so you aren't even going to explore the possibility? 

It's like you've given up before you've even started, which gives me the impression that you don't have experience with this beyond knowing how to make excuses. 

AliceInWonderland said:
The only legitimate means in which a female could physically overtake a guy is if she knows a form of Ji Jitsu.

 I did say I know jiu jitsu, first studied japanese style for form, then brazilian because it's more combat focused. I spar with men bigger than me and win fairly regularly. 

But I'm also not an idiot and I know my reactions speed is slower than most men.

...but not women? 

I'm not a stranger to violence, fighting and rape.

You did say 'again'. 

How many times are you at for that count? 

There are people walking around permanently scarred because of me.

lol what is this? 

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So a few things:

Why didn't you just talk to someone here if you felt lonely for conversation? Tinder seems like an odd choice to be wanting just conversation when the majority on the app use it for dick/pussy appointments. 

Why did you leave yourself open to being violated like this? 

Inviting a stranger to your home, letting them have this information on you when you've known how dangerous some men are- one of them being your ex boyfriend Shifty?

Drinking something someone else brought, that even without the implied drugging would have still left you vulnerable because duh! Alcohol

"Too late for a rape kit."??? Um, bro you got snapchat messages, tinder messages- do you still not have cameras set up?

Like this is going to come off as victim shaming I guess but, like what is wrong with you? This comes off a bit like attention seeking behavior through being a willing victim. 

Get better dude 

 Under the circumstances, I don't think it's victim shaming to have reasonable questions about this increasingly odd narrative.

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