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#8 said:
History hasn't held up because it wasn't really brought up. The things we spoke about was personal, manga, music and other. But go off.

...when we try to make it about history he just talks about Columbus anyway, and he doesn't elaborate on how they mean more than the inventors of world-changing inventions beyond "Well... we took it and made it cooler!" before using phrases like "Age of Enlightenment" as if it means more than a bookmark for a place in time. 

The way I've seen him do research has just been him picking a favorite book/website or two, turning to a random page, and then trying to find where that quote resonates in his mind in relation to his own life. His entire means of research is constantly played against what he's specifically looking to find in it and ignores everything else, and used to lead to times where he'd tout people like Napoleon as "had the right idea". 

 I see a lot of projection from someone using anecdotal reads of my psychology from conversations we had years ago lmao.

It's a consistent theme with you lately. It seems everytime I make a point you just happen to remember me having a contrary stance in some arbitrary conversation that's never really pinned down.

Also, I'd even humor this from someone who has an interest in history. You admitted you didn't in our talk about white innovation, don't push your improvised wikipedia scholar approach at me. This history shit is my hobby I do on a daily basis

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What we know is a drop, what we don't know is an ocean. 

It haunts me that even this tidbit of Wisdom is technically Pop Culturally programmed: 

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Again, it's not about the fact that every interest has an interest in controlling larger bodies of people, as everyone does that. What matters is what you get out of their attempts. Such "wisdom" can be seen in other cultures as well, even Chinese Soap Opera likes to fall on proverbial expressions as a form of conversation. 

 It's a Isaac Newton quot...

No, it was an Issac Newton quote (and some Eastern philosophy). 

Definitely just an Isaac Newton quot in my eyes but that's merely a result of my context. 

Are you really going to sit here and say that no one else had Existentialist Rhetoric before Newton? 

Why would you think that's my view?

Is it not your view? 

The way you coldly stated that it was only an Isaac Newton quote brought it to question, especially considering within what topic it came up. 

What is to you is derived from your own context. What is your context? 

I saw it more from Eastern philosophies in general, from television multiple times (especially the 70s and 80s), and otherwise repeated as an easy idea to have people see "they are just a spec of dust in the depths of space". 

There you go. 

Your context is from media that literally was programmed so its no surprise you hold these views. 

Not just media, also Eastern Philosophy and general Existentialism.

We have to get our stuff from somewhere, but from there it ought to inspire more questions, not assumptions. You even yourself just descended into assumption from not even fully reading my sentence. 

Your quote is specific to him, but it comes from many before him. It's a general conclusion that's not hard to fall on once you've seen that both enough people exist and that we can live lives contradictory to our self-concept. 

I agree

My view of history demands I see it that way in fact. 

Cool. 


Now it's a tool. 

A tool to think deeper about a subject and not to merely accept 'facts' - in Newtons case, mathematics and God. 

It's usually about "God" once someone questions their own importance.

Not really.

How isn't it? 

It seems rather childish, but I reflect the views of a layman within a much more enlightened age when it comes to religion than much of history. 

 This is funny. 

It's about as funny as calling any other age an age of enlightenment, and our current grasp on religion is more networked and capable of cross-reference than ever before. 

When you have enough source material to look at, the overall setup of faith in general becomes more easily brought into question. 

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Kestrel said: 
#8 said:
History hasn't held up because it wasn't really brought up. The things we spoke about was personal, manga, music and other. But go off.

...when we try to make it about history he just talks about Columbus anyway, and he doesn't elaborate on how they mean more than the inventors of world-changing inventions beyond "Well... we took it and made it cooler!" before using phrases like "Age of Enlightenment" as if it means more than a bookmark for a place in time. 

The way I've seen him do research has just been him picking a favorite book/website or two, turning to a random page, and then trying to find where that quote resonates in his mind in relation to his own life. His entire means of research is constantly played against what he's specifically looking to find in it and ignores everything else, and used to lead to times where he'd tout people like Napoleon as "had the right idea". 

 I see a lot of projection from someone using anecdotal reads of my psychology from conversations we had years ago lmao.

You've said the same thing for years, even this cope is a pattern, even over short term appraisals of your behavior instead of long term patterns. 

You quickly aim to dismiss people's analysis on you so that you don't risk internalizing it, and you always have over a myriad of excuses. You straight up ignore it and fight strawmen so that you don't have to have your position challenged. 

You handle politics like faith. 

It's a consistent theme with you lately. It seems everytime I make a point you just happen to remember me having a contrary stance in some arbitrary conversation that's never really pinned down.

Not lately, over the entirety of our knowing eachother. 

I make comparisons, that's my thing, but you'll come up with any excuse as to how you can't possibly be the thing they're saying you are, and will straight up re-invent your perceptions of past events and realities to coast on the new self-concept's promises of comfort. 

You're afraid of facing yourself, even your past mistakes are just you saying you "were" immature, but you're "smarter" now. You aren't, you're just in a new spot and can't relate to your older stances from refusing to make comparisons. 

Also, I'd even humor this from someone who has an interest in history. You admitted you didn't in our talk about white innovation, don't push your improvised wikipedia scholar approach at me. This history shit is my hobby I do on a daily basis

You are not a historian you're a supremacist. As I stated before, historians don't cherry pick, have a more diverse range of knowledge, and don't use it to flex some misplaced sense of pride. I'm not the one covering History in this case simply over how I'm not an expert, and either of us would be fools to claim that we are. I'll instead leave it to people like Inquirer who clearly know what they're talking about within a more reasonable framework than your own. 

They speak like Time Lords, while racists speak like you're doing right now. Being two races at once doesn't give you some sort of get out of jail free card or something, you're becoming a zealous bigot without even noticing. Like how the fuck are you ignoring China's impacts on the world this hard by comparing it to some names you probably barely know anything about? 

Some future you will look back at this time as shameful, as childish, no different from your stalker phase. You can't just assume you're always better as your older self to justify your current position, especially when future you keeps proving you wrong. 

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Kestrel said: 
#8 said:
History hasn't held up because it wasn't really brought up. The things we spoke about was personal, manga, music and other. But go off.

...when we try to make it about history he just talks about Columbus anyway, and he doesn't elaborate on how they mean more than the inventors of world-changing inventions beyond "Well... we took it and made it cooler!" before using phrases like "Age of Enlightenment" as if it means more than a bookmark for a place in time. 

The way I've seen him do research has just been him picking a favorite book/website or two, turning to a random page, and then trying to find where that quote resonates in his mind in relation to his own life. His entire means of research is constantly played against what he's specifically looking to find in it and ignores everything else, and used to lead to times where he'd tout people like Napoleon as "had the right idea". 

 I see a lot of projection from someone using anecdotal reads of my psychology from conversations we had years ago lmao.

You've said the same thing for years, even this cope is a pattern, even over short term appraisals of your behavior instead of long term patterns. 

You quickly aim to dismiss people's analysis on you so that you don't risk internalizing it, and you always have over a myriad of excuses. You straight up ignore it and fight strawmen so that you don't have to have your position challenged. 

You handle politics like faith. 

You're really triggered by me becoming religious. I've answered every one of your points with a solid reason as well as supporting details.

It's a consistent theme with you lately. It seems everytime I make a point you just happen to remember me having a contrary stance in some arbitrary conversation that's never really pinned down.

Not lately, over the entirety of our knowing eachother. 

COPE. Another sidestep. Keyword: Lately


I make comparisons, that's my thing, but you'll come up with any excuse as to how you can't possibly be the thing they're saying you are, and will straight up re-invent your perceptions of past events and realities to coast on the new self-concept's promises of comfort. 

You're afraid of facing yourself, even your past mistakes are just you saying you "were" immature, but you're "smarter" now. You aren't, you're just in a new spot and can't relate to your older stances from refusing to make comparisons. 

You make comparisons, provide vague points which you support with barebones philosophical concepts and provide another vague example when I contradict your testimony with real world examples while providing none of your own. 

What makes you think you have an accurate gauge on my internal narration anymore? We haven't had a real conversation in literally years even these back and forths are spaced half years apart. The idea that you are confident enough to claim that and use it in place of concrete evidence is scary. I'm not the same person I was when we lived together, you're going to have to come to terms with that and not whip it out when you're in a corner.

Also, I'd even humor this from someone who has an interest in history. You admitted you didn't in our talk about white innovation, don't push your improvised wikipedia scholar approach at me. This history shit is my hobby I do on a daily basis

You are not a historian you're a supremacist. As I stated before, historians don't cherry pick, have a more diverse range of knowledge, and don't use it to flex some misplaced sense of pride. I'm not the one covering History in this case simply over how I'm not an expert, and either of us would be fools to claim that we are. I'll instead leave it to people like Inquirer who clearly know what they're talking about within a more reasonable framework than your own. 

They speak like Time Lords, while racists speak like you're doing right now. Being two races at once doesn't give you some sort of get out of jail free card or something, you're becoming a zealous bigot without even noticing. Like how the fuck are you ignoring China's impacts on the world this hard by comparing it to some names you probably barely know anything about? 

Some future you will look back at this time as shameful, as childish, no different from your stalker phase. You can't just assume you're always better than your older self to justify your current position, especially when future you keeps proving you wrong. 

 I must be cherry picking because I have points you don't like. I can and when called on have, cited all of my information with real world events. Inquirer wrote an entire paragraph of hot air and got contradicted in a single sentence. History doesn't care about your feelings, whites have been the main innovators of history. But by all means, do leave it to people who actually at least claim to know history instead of providing no information of your own but claiming my historical sources are cherry picked and false.

The fact that I'm a minority and telling the unpopular truth about white people hurts you. Once again you fall for the midwit balance meme rationale. You'd be far more accepting if I was claiming another race had the bulk of human innovation. But yet you're here telling me, I don't know anything about history when you dont even have an understanding of history itself to base your claim after. OR, COULD IT BE, THAT YOUR LIMITED KNOWLEDGE IS WHAT YOU'VE JUST LOOKED UP, THE SAME THING YOU PROJECTED ONTO ME. I'm not denying china's impact on the world, just that it isn't as big as whites.

And when the chips are down, cards are out, feelings are hurt and out of vapid psuedo-psychology contradictions, you resort to a disgustingly condescending explanation that summarizes out to "I know you more than you do" 

It really didn't have to be this way, you really could've taken an impartial stance about something you self admittedly weren't well versed on and raised skepticism during certain parts. But instead you were offended by the truth, rationalized ill-informed arguments and swear them to still be the case despite being ignorant to the subject matter as well as being disproven. An objective person wouldn't have done this.

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Turncoat said:
To me, if you support The Right, then you are just as much supporting The Left by proxy. Both sides are trying to tell you what to do, how to think, why you should care, and in the fashion of Hate Germs they work in tandem off one another. Think for yourself and you can still see these flaws without becoming an instrument of it's upkeep. The system is busted, and The Right feeling insulated while The Left breaks pavement is just a symptom of a much larger problem.

Kestrel said:
"Bro, the only way to beat the game is to not play it" When are you going to realize a centrist movement is a more hopeless pipedream than my right wing one.

Kestrel said:
It's not a people problem. It's an elite problem. Without corporate interests steering the direction of our country we'd be more in tune with our national values and have less of these people willing to violate those values. It'd be a better life for everyone. Nationalist or not.

I think I agree, Syst. Is it like basically like this: Corporations can’t have it both ways. They can’t tell people how much they want them to buy their products, but then run abroad to avoid taxes or hire cheap labor. Corporations should pay their share of taxes and create decent-paying jobs here. The national debt was caused primarily by huge tax breaks for corporations, a prescription drug program that was written by the pharmaceutical industry, and the deregulation of Wall Street that precipitated the worst economic recession since the 1930s. 

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KEK a nigger turned white supremacist

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that aside, more authoritarianism is not the answer. The USA is growing towards a neo feudal state where the corporate aristocracy keeps the people chained via debt and the way to combat this is to first undo the deregulation of wallstreet that caused the financial crisis in the first place by electing people like Bernie Sanders

joining either dem or rep is just retarded and you should have voted for Bernie. Fun fact: many niggers voted for Biden because they assumed that white people wouldn't 'make the right choice' and vote for Bernie, effectively contributing to Sanders losing several states previously considered a safe win

why do BLACK NIGGERS even engage in politics? let the white man solve it cool

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Kestrel said: 
Kestrel said: 
#8 said:
History hasn't held up because it wasn't really brought up. The things we spoke about was personal, manga, music and other. But go off.

...when we try to make it about history he just talks about Columbus anyway, and he doesn't elaborate on how they mean more than the inventors of world-changing inventions beyond "Well... we took it and made it cooler!" before using phrases like "Age of Enlightenment" as if it means more than a bookmark for a place in time. 

The way I've seen him do research has just been him picking a favorite book/website or two, turning to a random page, and then trying to find where that quote resonates in his mind in relation to his own life. His entire means of research is constantly played against what he's specifically looking to find in it and ignores everything else, and used to lead to times where he'd tout people like Napoleon as "had the right idea". 

 I see a lot of projection from someone using anecdotal reads of my psychology from conversations we had years ago lmao.

You've said the same thing for years, even this cope is a pattern, even over short term appraisals of your behavior instead of long term patterns. 

You quickly aim to dismiss people's analysis on you so that you don't risk internalizing it, and you always have over a myriad of excuses. You straight up ignore it and fight strawmen so that you don't have to have your position challenged. 

You handle politics like faith. 

You're really triggered by me becoming religious. I've answered every one of your points with a solid reason as well as supporting details.

No, I'm making a comparison. If you were not religious I'd be liable to still make this comparison, and have with you in the past, but it's only recently become this zealous and literal. 

We've spoken religion before, I've been able to watch a progression, and frankly it's alarming with clear parallels towards your mindset, much like your politics, views on gender, all of it. 

It's a consistent theme with you lately. It seems everytime I make a point you just happen to remember me having a contrary stance in some arbitrary conversation that's never really pinned down.

Not lately, over the entirety of our knowing eachother. 

COPE. Another sidestep. Keyword: Lately

What..? 

I have been questioning your choices for a while now, they just were not this extremist before. What is this, did you just forget the majority of our past talks? 


I make comparisons, that's my thing, but you'll come up with any excuse as to how you can't possibly be the thing they're saying you are, and will straight up re-invent your perceptions of past events and realities to coast on the new self-concept's promises of comfort. 

You're afraid of facing yourself, even your past mistakes are just you saying you "were" immature, but you're "smarter" now. You aren't, you're just in a new spot and can't relate to your older stances from refusing to make comparisons. 

You make comparisons, provide vague points which you support with barebones philosophical concepts and provide another vague example when I contradict your testimony with real world examples while providing none of your own. 

I've made direct comparisons and otherwise conceptualized the problem as I've seen it this far into living. 

Are you already back to fighting strawmen..? 

What makes you think you have an accurate gauge on my internal narration anymore?

You display so much of yourself online that meeting you in person was only really surreal for the fleshy aspect of it. 

You're fairly forward and transparent, so I don't think it's that weird that I, and others, could aim to gauge who you've become by comparison to who you once were. We've watched you grow and mutate over the years, give some level of credit. 

We haven't had a real conversation in literally years even these back and forths are spaced half years apart. The idea that you are confident enough to claim that and use it in place of concrete evidence is scary.

"You can't possibly know me, you're saying negative things!" 

I'm not the same person I was when we lived together, you're going to have to come to terms with that and not whip it out when you're in a corner.

No shit you're not, that's been my point. 

You aren't the same person, you're worse

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Kestrel said: 

Inquirer wrote an entire paragraph of hot air and got contradicted in a single sentence.

What?  Which sentence? 

I saw him put forth actual history, and then you spit out some random white dudes in response. He's being a historian, you aren't. 

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Kestrel said: 
Kestrel said: 

"So let's pretend for a moment that the Chinese people didn't invent... oh about half of everything for the bulk of human history."

I believe you. I'll take your chinaboo rant as reality that they are the founders of half of all meaningful innovations. It definitely isn't a cope for a harsh right wing opinion you dont like. There definitely hasn't been a certain race that's had a monopoly on the most innovative and successful countries for the last 800 years. 

800 years ago Europe was clearly behind both the Middle East and Asia (and arguably other parts of the world too) in terms of innovation, technology and development. The Mongols went as far as Poland and Croatia in the 13th century, only turning back because Ögedei died back in China. Europe was clearly not superior to them. China invented gunpowder, paper, the compass (though it's speculated a form of compass may have been used by the Olmecs in Mexico), printing, the stirrup... all technologies Europe only really picked up during the middle ages. So your claim that "Whites" were "the lead innovators of most of history" simply isn't true. One might even consider it somewhat racist to actively dismiss all of that history just to artificially elevate one race...

Words and their meaning are important. If you meant "Whites" should be proud of their technological achievements the last couple of centuries then say that, not that they dominated all of history.

 I disagree. They were far ahead of anyone else during the renaissance period and it's noted to have some of civilizations most scientific and cultural achievements.

edit: I know you're swedish but try not to throw your race under the bus so quickly(I had to)

Be woke. White people are the "oppressors" and are bad. Only victim POC's are good now. You must view everything in through this POC victimhood lens.

I bet Inquirer can say nothing good about his white culture for fear of being called a racist. Lets hear some bragging Inquirer. What good has your white Scandinavian culture done in the last 1000 years?

 

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Kestrel said: 

Inquirer wrote an entire paragraph of hot air and got contradicted in a single sentence.

What?  Which sentence? 

I saw him put forth actual history, and then you spit out some random white dudes in response. He's being a historian, you aren't. 

What you saw was a counter point you haven't been able to refute. You're at this point looking at how the point is structured instead of the actual point in an attempt to make sense of just being wrong. I'm not going to break out the powdered wig, formal english and a classical portrait but hopefully this is smart enough for you to understand.

Firstly, argument goes from whites leading through most of allotted history(true), whites being the dominant innovators for the last 800 years(true) and finally my own quote saying this only really changes getting closer to the BC era(true). Which is where all of the inventions Inq listed were made with the exception of gun powder. Inquirer also cites the military conquest of the mongols as if it equates out to innovation, by this metric even Shaka Zulu's strong arm of Africa would be considered innovative. 

I listed an era that is synonymous with innovation over almost every other, there really isn't much to be said. The fact that you are dissuading my points because I listed some contributors really just shows your seething. 

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