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What we know is a drop, what we don't know is an ocean. 

It haunts me that even this tidbit of Wisdom is technically Pop Culturally programmed: 

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Again, it's not about the fact that every interest has an interest in controlling larger bodies of people, as everyone does that. What matters is what you get out of their attempts. Such "wisdom" can be seen in other cultures as well, even Chinese Soap Opera likes to fall on proverbial expressions as a form of conversation. 

 It's a Isaac Newton quot...

No, it was an Issac Newton quote (and some Eastern philosophy). 

Now it's a tool. 

Ę̵̚x̸͎̾i̴͚̽s̵̻͐t̷͐ͅe̷̯͠n̴̤̚t̵̻̅i̵͉̿a̴̮͊l̵͍̂ ̴̹̕D̵̤̀e̸͓͂t̵̢͂e̴͕̓c̸̗̄t̴̗̿ï̶̪v̷̲̍é̵͔
last edit on 7/8/2020 1:43:31 AM
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#8 said: 
Kestrel said: 


Do you figure Fascism is the only way to get things done because of how harshly people have splintered? Have you ever asked yourself if The Left might be asking these same questions?

Fascism goes against US models that have been in place in their attempt to be great, and pushes a "Might Makes Right" model. I get that you don't trust a means that you can't yourself have a hand in or otherwise watch more transparently, but making waves in this world is more about gaining a tolerance versus it's programming, it's poison, deciding which poison's acceptable, then making your own waves in the tide pool.

 The left is asking these questions but they are questions that were planted there in the first place. Communism is on the rise in the states and these left wing extremists are being funded to create an climate where extreme legislation can be passed. 

Does the mainstream justification of police being disbanded not alarm you? Do you not worry what might replace them?

Does the tearing down of statues not alarm you? It's a consistent omen of radical change in governments.

Fascism does what no other form of government will in terms of uniting the people in an unwavering stand for a nations inherent values. Imagine an Ameri-reich, hell bent on classic American values like free speech, the assurance of privacy, anti taxation, anti imperialism and pro non involvement measures. We need to build an unshakable core that can with stand uprooting a good deal of our infrastructure without being bought out. This cannot happen without the unparalleled morale and nationalism Facism brings.

 Your Ameri-reich seems scary. This whole Syst arc is is dark and creepy.

 I'm not trying to be uppity  but you don't follow history or it's politics, I'd have to go through paragraphs of citing real events that happened to show why the direction we're heading in is a horrible one. Not that I wouldn't mind covering that topic with you, I just know that sort of talk wouldn't hold your interest.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I believe what I believe because I truly care for the people of this country and their future, it's the only thing that steadies my hand when making these hard choices.

I am with you, even unto the end of the age
last edit on 7/8/2020 1:47:22 AM
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Kestrel said: 
Kestrel said:
When are you going to realize a centrist movement is a more hopeless pipedream than my right wing one.

No, no you aren't getting it. 

When it comes to all of this, all of it is hopeless without a Corporate Membership. Money is stronger than parties, it's its life blood, and is singlehandedly why platforms like Google and Facebook feign empathy as they sew their pockets shut. 

All we can hope to get out of this, if we are not willing to otherwise step out of our station through The Internet by weaponizing Charisma and a modern understanding of how everyone's being factory farmed, are hopes for personal comforts. The arts, philosophy, the flavors of exotic foods, these are the silver linings present within our modern dystopian transition towards Globalism. 

Even if all sides are corrupt for their own differing reasons, piggiebacking that corruption is often things that would still serve me and my lifestyle, such as Abortion Clinics no longer being under siege, Gun Control being handled ala Big Brother instead of the pipedream of abolishing them entirely, Hormone Replacement Therapy being normalized, finding ways to save money through The Death Penalty instead of some Sadistic Ideation that comes forth from the wasteful "Lifetime Imprisonment" practices, etc. 

I don't have to join a party to have opinions, and my "Centrist" views I'd still argue are Counter-Culture. While people like you are like "WAKE UP SHEEPLE", Leftist you's are seeing me like "A traitor to the cause" from refusing to become the enemy in newer clothing. 

Bush II man, take a look at it again and imagine if the party stances were flipped. 

I am clearly getting it but thinking we're going to have a cultural revolution when news stations text people every morning what they should believe isn't a cause I can get behind.

We've been there for around 20 years now by my gauge, and prior to that it was done through television and newspapers. The only change is that it's faster, and with the increase in speed we don't desire as much depth from less pre-anticipation preceding the unearthing. Cherrypicking has changed hands from Newspapers and Private Zines to The Main Feed and Counter-Cultural media sites. 

Everyday the propaganda gets thicker and more indiscernible from the truth as they control more and more of what's going on. Action has to be taken swiftly and right now.

Your idea is to fight fire with fire using techniques not too dissimilar from your opposing party. You wouldn't be fixing the problem, you'd just be giving it a different face. If you look at how The News sells out for example, they technically sell out to both parties despite how the Left Wing Codex is the current Soccer Mom lingo of the now, but do so as a matter of Corporatism, what's likely to line their pockets with gold and keep companies from pulling out of the project. 

Everyday propaganda gets thicker from both sides, with tons of really gross and obvious patterns. Avoid The Main Feed, they're hotspots for this poison and are only helpful for seeing how others fall for it, and avoid The Media's news outlets as they straight up have to wait until they've been told what to say when it comes to reporting things in relation to The Internet (hence why they are always behind on e-events, even throwing filler at us about a rescued pet or some nonsense when real shit goes on elsewhere unreported over the cable lines). 

Yeah let's just lay down and let them rape this country. Your life will be fine but your grandchildren will live in a dystopian hell, definitely not like your grandparents or ancestors didn't face horrible atrocities for future generations haha.

You'd rather rip off The Left's dicks and slap them onto The Right, because that's more familiar to you within the model of how you were raised. The truth of the matter is that we've already been raped, and are currently trying to figure out what happened from the PTSD fog that it threw over us in the early 2000s. 

Seriously, look into graphic design and music theory. People let go of control over this far longer ago than this. I'd actually go as far as to argue that how things are now is technically a callback to the 70s, even down to the artistic movements and general philosophies being touted. 

I don't really care if contrarian, hipster leftist think you're odd for not wanting to fuck kids. You're a centrist panderer, like a good bulk of middle America. You're counter culture in the sense that media and hollywood are far left promoters. But your average person wouldn't be alarmed by your viewpoints.

You don't know my stances at all, and sit here fighting a strawman to bolster your own zealous foggy stance. 

I've seen tons of people like you, in both parties. You've officially signed on to become part of the problem and you aren't even looking at it. 

Ę̵̚x̸͎̾i̴͚̽s̵̻͐t̷͐ͅe̷̯͠n̴̤̚t̵̻̅i̵͉̿a̴̮͊l̵͍̂ ̴̹̕D̵̤̀e̸͓͂t̵̢͂e̴͕̓c̸̗̄t̴̗̿ï̶̪v̷̲̍é̵͔
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Kestrel said: 
#8 said: 
Kestrel said: 


Do you figure Fascism is the only way to get things done because of how harshly people have splintered? Have you ever asked yourself if The Left might be asking these same questions?

Fascism goes against US models that have been in place in their attempt to be great, and pushes a "Might Makes Right" model. I get that you don't trust a means that you can't yourself have a hand in or otherwise watch more transparently, but making waves in this world is more about gaining a tolerance versus it's programming, it's poison, deciding which poison's acceptable, then making your own waves in the tide pool.

 The left is asking these questions but they are questions that were planted there in the first place. Communism is on the rise in the states and these left wing extremists are being funded to create an climate where extreme legislation can be passed. 

Does the mainstream justification of police being disbanded not alarm you? Do you not worry what might replace them?

Does the tearing down of statues not alarm you? It's a consistent omen of radical change in governments.

Fascism does what no other form of government will in terms of uniting the people in an unwavering stand for a nations inherent values. Imagine an Ameri-reich, hell bent on classic American values like free speech, the assurance of privacy, anti taxation, anti imperialism and pro non involvement measures. We need to build an unshakable core that can with stand uprooting a good deal of our infrastructure without being bought out. This cannot happen without the unparalleled morale and nationalism Facism brings.

 Your Ameri-reich seems scary. This whole Syst arc is is dark and creepy.

 I'm not trying to be uppity  but you don't follow history or it's politics, I'd have to go through paragraphs of citing real events that happened to show why the direction we're heading in is a horrible one. Not that I wouldn't mind covering that topic with you, I just know that sort of talk wouldn't hold your interest.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I believe what I believe because I truly care for the people of this country and their future, it's the only thing that steadies my hand when making these hard choices.

 Right, of course.

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#8 said: 
Kestrel said: 
#8 said: 
Kestrel said: 


Do you figure Fascism is the only way to get things done because of how harshly people have splintered? Have you ever asked yourself if The Left might be asking these same questions?

Fascism goes against US models that have been in place in their attempt to be great, and pushes a "Might Makes Right" model. I get that you don't trust a means that you can't yourself have a hand in or otherwise watch more transparently, but making waves in this world is more about gaining a tolerance versus it's programming, it's poison, deciding which poison's acceptable, then making your own waves in the tide pool.

 The left is asking these questions but they are questions that were planted there in the first place. Communism is on the rise in the states and these left wing extremists are being funded to create an climate where extreme legislation can be passed. 

Does the mainstream justification of police being disbanded not alarm you? Do you not worry what might replace them?

Does the tearing down of statues not alarm you? It's a consistent omen of radical change in governments.

Fascism does what no other form of government will in terms of uniting the people in an unwavering stand for a nations inherent values. Imagine an Ameri-reich, hell bent on classic American values like free speech, the assurance of privacy, anti taxation, anti imperialism and pro non involvement measures. We need to build an unshakable core that can with stand uprooting a good deal of our infrastructure without being bought out. This cannot happen without the unparalleled morale and nationalism Facism brings.

 Your Ameri-reich seems scary. This whole Syst arc is is dark and creepy.

 I'm not trying to be uppity  but you don't follow history or it's politics, I'd have to go through paragraphs of citing real events that happened to show why the direction we're heading in is a horrible one. Not that I wouldn't mind covering that topic with you, I just know that sort of talk wouldn't hold your interest.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I believe what I believe because I truly care for the people of this country and their future, it's the only thing that steadies my hand when making these hard choices.

 Right, of course.

 I've known you for years and history hasn't held up in our conversations. I like talking modern politics with you but reaching back to old war era shit I don't expect many people to acquire that autism

I am with you, even unto the end of the age
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What we know is a drop, what we don't know is an ocean. 

It haunts me that even this tidbit of Wisdom is technically Pop Culturally programmed: 

Posted Image

Again, it's not about the fact that every interest has an interest in controlling larger bodies of people, as everyone does that. What matters is what you get out of their attempts. Such "wisdom" can be seen in other cultures as well, even Chinese Soap Opera likes to fall on proverbial expressions as a form of conversation. 

 It's a Isaac Newton quot...

No, it was an Issac Newton quote (and some Eastern philosophy). 

Definitely just an Isaac Newton quot in my eyes but that's merely a result of my context. 

What is to you is derived from your own context. What is your context? 


Now it's a tool. 

A tool to think deeper about a subject and not to merely accept 'facts' - in Newtons case, mathematics and God. 



 

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Kestrel said: 
#8 said: 
Kestrel said: 
#8 said: 
Kestrel said: 


Do you figure Fascism is the only way to get things done because of how harshly people have splintered? Have you ever asked yourself if The Left might be asking these same questions?

Fascism goes against US models that have been in place in their attempt to be great, and pushes a "Might Makes Right" model. I get that you don't trust a means that you can't yourself have a hand in or otherwise watch more transparently, but making waves in this world is more about gaining a tolerance versus it's programming, it's poison, deciding which poison's acceptable, then making your own waves in the tide pool.

 The left is asking these questions but they are questions that were planted there in the first place. Communism is on the rise in the states and these left wing extremists are being funded to create an climate where extreme legislation can be passed. 

Does the mainstream justification of police being disbanded not alarm you? Do you not worry what might replace them?

Does the tearing down of statues not alarm you? It's a consistent omen of radical change in governments.

Fascism does what no other form of government will in terms of uniting the people in an unwavering stand for a nations inherent values. Imagine an Ameri-reich, hell bent on classic American values like free speech, the assurance of privacy, anti taxation, anti imperialism and pro non involvement measures. We need to build an unshakable core that can with stand uprooting a good deal of our infrastructure without being bought out. This cannot happen without the unparalleled morale and nationalism Facism brings.

 Your Ameri-reich seems scary. This whole Syst arc is is dark and creepy.

 I'm not trying to be uppity  but you don't follow history or it's politics, I'd have to go through paragraphs of citing real events that happened to show why the direction we're heading in is a horrible one. Not that I wouldn't mind covering that topic with you, I just know that sort of talk wouldn't hold your interest.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I believe what I believe because I truly care for the people of this country and their future, it's the only thing that steadies my hand when making these hard choices.

 Right, of course.

 I've known you for years and history hasn't held up in our conversations. I like talking modern politics with you but reaching back to old war era shit I don't expect many people to acquire that autism

 History hasn't held up because it wasn't really brought up. The things we spoke about was personal, manga, music and other. But go off.

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What we know is a drop, what we don't know is an ocean. 

It haunts me that even this tidbit of Wisdom is technically Pop Culturally programmed: 

Posted Image

Again, it's not about the fact that every interest has an interest in controlling larger bodies of people, as everyone does that. What matters is what you get out of their attempts. Such "wisdom" can be seen in other cultures as well, even Chinese Soap Opera likes to fall on proverbial expressions as a form of conversation. 

 It's a Isaac Newton quot...

No, it was an Issac Newton quote (and some Eastern philosophy). 

Definitely just an Isaac Newton quot in my eyes but that's merely a result of my context. 

Are you really going to sit here and say that no one else had Existentialist Rhetoric before Newton? 

What is to you is derived from your own context. What is your context? 

I saw it more from Eastern philosophies in general, from television multiple times (especially the 70s and 80s), and otherwise repeated as an easy idea to have people see "they are just a spec of dust in the depths of space". It's classic Dharma. 

Your quote is specific to him, but it comes from many before him. It's a general conclusion that's not hard to fall on once you've seen that both enough people exist and that we can live lives contradictory to our self-concept. 


Now it's a tool. 

A tool to think deeper about a subject and not to merely accept 'facts' - in Newtons case, mathematics and God. 

It's usually about "God" once someone questions their own importance. It seems rather childish, but I reflect the views of a layman within a much more enlightened age when it comes to religion than much of history. 

Ę̵̚x̸͎̾i̴͚̽s̵̻͐t̷͐ͅe̷̯͠n̴̤̚t̵̻̅i̵͉̿a̴̮͊l̵͍̂ ̴̹̕D̵̤̀e̸͓͂t̵̢͂e̴͕̓c̸̗̄t̴̗̿ï̶̪v̷̲̍é̵͔
last edit on 7/8/2020 2:27:05 AM
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#8 said:
History hasn't held up because it wasn't really brought up. The things we spoke about was personal, manga, music and other. But go off.

...when we try to make it about history he just talks about Columbus anyway, and he doesn't elaborate on how they mean more than the inventors of world-changing inventions beyond "Well... we took it and made it cooler!" before using phrases like "Age of Enlightenment" as if it means more than a bookmark for a place in time. 

The way I've seen him do research has just been him picking a favorite book/website or two, turning to a random page, and then trying to find where that quote resonates in his mind in relation to his own life. His entire means of research is constantly played against what he's specifically looking to find in it and ignores everything else, and used to lead to times where he'd tout people like Napoleon as "had the right idea". 

Ę̵̚x̸͎̾i̴͚̽s̵̻͐t̷͐ͅe̷̯͠n̴̤̚t̵̻̅i̵͉̿a̴̮͊l̵͍̂ ̴̹̕D̵̤̀e̸͓͂t̵̢͂e̴͕̓c̸̗̄t̴̗̿ï̶̪v̷̲̍é̵͔
last edit on 7/8/2020 2:31:44 AM
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0 votes RE: 【SIEGE】

What we know is a drop, what we don't know is an ocean. 

It haunts me that even this tidbit of Wisdom is technically Pop Culturally programmed: 

Posted Image

Again, it's not about the fact that every interest has an interest in controlling larger bodies of people, as everyone does that. What matters is what you get out of their attempts. Such "wisdom" can be seen in other cultures as well, even Chinese Soap Opera likes to fall on proverbial expressions as a form of conversation. 

 It's a Isaac Newton quot...

No, it was an Issac Newton quote (and some Eastern philosophy). 

Definitely just an Isaac Newton quot in my eyes but that's merely a result of my context. 

Are you really going to sit here and say that no one else had Existentialist Rhetoric before Newton? 

Why would you think that's my view?

What is to you is derived from your own context. What is your context? 

I saw it more from Eastern philosophies in general, from television multiple times (especially the 70s and 80s), and otherwise repeated as an easy idea to have people see "they are just a spec of dust in the depths of space". 

There you go. 

Your context is from media that literally was programmed so its no surprise you hold these views. 


Your quote is specific to him, but it comes from many before him. It's a general conclusion that's not hard to fall on once you've seen that both enough people exist and that we can live lives contradictory to our self-concept. 

I agree

My view of history demands I see it that way in fact. 


Now it's a tool. 

A tool to think deeper about a subject and not to merely accept 'facts' - in Newtons case, mathematics and God. 

It's usually about "God" once someone questions their own importance.

Not really.

It seems rather childish, but I reflect the views of a layman within a much more enlightened age when it comes to religion than much of history. 

 This is funny. 

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