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Kestrel said: 
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To deny this you would need to disbelieve all of the following:

  • You live in a time where there is a massive fear of Alt-right Extremists

I'll concede at "a massive fear of the opposition". 

Both sides are being really sensationalist, and cherrypicking is becoming the norm. 

Not even. Violence can and has been encouraged by leftist that even half as much would be dealt with if they were right wing.

Left and Right are being pushed by puppetmasters of smaller sub-interests, and often times it's someone from the opposite party doing the pushing. 

4chan's had a lot of fun with fake campaigns to trigger Leftist Sensationalists. It's not uncommon to see someone from the opposite side push impressionable idiots of both parties into embarassing their own sides, and for those squeaky wheels to be used to discredit the party as a whole. 

Much of your anger at the left could just as easily be anger at Right Wing puppetmastery who's machinations pushed their actions in such a way as to subsequently push yours by proxy. Again man, it's Information Warfare, and the deeper you subscribe to one side, the deeper you're being eaten by the illusion. You won't get the bigger picture by subscribing to a side, even if that side is "The Underdog" in your eyes. 

It's Pepsi vs Coke right now, and right now Pepsi's breaking pavement while Coke calls it Left Wing Terrorism. 

Major figures and corporations were inciting violence with quotes like "No Lives Matter until Black ones do" and "Buildings can be replaced but lives can't". There was no left wing censor spree, there was no call to de-escalate platforms to be family friendly. How can you say this when you cant even put the same shoe on the other foot in multiple instances.

Why should that be censored? 

  • A right wing gathering even organizing is instantly labeled that they will be violent

Are you really going to take this seriously? 

This issue is not a party one either, unless you're going to tell me that Insane Clown Posse is a political movement now? 

  • A right wing group rioting would be gunned down by the police instantly as a threat

Have we not been watching the same riots? 

It's two groups of idiots hiding behind the cops for much of it, and I mostly see tear gas and shit hitting The Left. 

  • A right wing group, holding 6 city blocks hostage would be labeled as terrorist and ventilated by SWAT

This isn't a party issue, this is about a large enough group mobilizing with potential intent. 

The Left is hit with this shit too. 

  • That a side with an overwhelming lead in power wouldn't unfairly exploit its rival

Both sides sling shit at each other, and it's not news.  

No, you don't live in a world full of right wing platforms, that openly support right wing ideals,  that are looking for left wing extremists to report and ban

Alena linked their solution for the more extreme stances that The Main Feed won't allow. 

You not being privy to these has me wondering twice as much now what your sources are. 

  • That despite there being an abscence of organized Alt Right terror attacks, there's a very zealous witchunt for them and the topic has a major prescence in mainstream liberal owned media

There are people who are steering the masses, and it makes sense to isolate who those people are and measure their impacts over larger bodies of people. 

Both sides have them, and it'd be stupid to not keep an eye on them. 

Stop with the duality cope. Left wing extremists cannot even be compared to right wing ones in terms of threat level and what they've done.

Dude, are you sure it's me who's coping here? I'm not insisting that there's some compromise to be found, or that the middle path must be the best one, I just happen to believe enough in factors of both parties to have been singled out as "the other" versus both groups for one reason or another. We're entering a time of 'Bipartisan Fascism', and you've found yourself on a side already. 

You've straight up descended into one side's ideology, exaggerating what "The Left" is doing as if "The Right" has never been there. This is about The Censor, it's a weapon that is currently in The Left's hands and it's hitting both party's freedoms in different ways. I've lived long enough to watch The Censor change hands, and it's just the same problem with a new face and a different means of weeding it out. 

The problem is over what it's always been for The Artists of the world: The Censor. You don't have to agree with Alex Jones to be offended that he's not allowed to have his material be on Youtube, and people shouldn't need it to be someone from their own party to be offended over Censorship. 

It's been spelled out for you in every way but literally. 

So yes, The Mainstream Media and The Main Feed are "in on it" in the sense of The Censor being utilized currently by The Left. The idea of "Removing Misinformation" is terrible, and I've been against this as a matter of my general distaste vs The Censor. 

The Censor is a weapon, and in anyone's hands it's bad. We want The Free Marketplace of Ideas to flourish, which means even nutbars need their platform to speak from. This problem is free of party ideology and ought to be focused on purely over how the tool itself works. 

I know you get it, I know you see it. But you're afraid to call it for what it is in its entirety because it seems too fatalistic. Something like this, just can't be this one sided. I understand your hesitancy but we really are at this dystopian level.

No, I see this as a human problem, and that the party system here is a red herring for the true structural issues. If it is handled as a party issue solely, all we'll see is The Censor change hands once again. 

Look at both sides, they're the same fucking Parrot-Monkeys in different clothes, both with different people pulling their strings. Both sides are Hate-Germing: 



Fight Conformity, Fight The Censor, not Bipartisan Politics. The Meta-game is done through the ones who push large bodies of people, not the ones pushed by it, and often times the puppetmastery is clever with differing interests all working in tandem. 

Lets not forget the people trying to bait others to loot buildings. If we want to see the real problems, then we need to think about this causally, look at the tools in play here, not as a matter of Team Sports. 

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Kestrel said: 
Kestrel said: 
  • A right wing gathering even organizing is instantly labeled that they will be violent
  • A right wing group rioting would be gunned down by the police instantly as a threat
  • A right wing group, holding 6 city blocks hostage would be labeled as terrorist and ventilated by SWAT

If this is the case, how do you explain the long-standing disparity in police force used and arrests made between left wing and right wing protests? Particularly when the right shows up armed?

 The disparity exists because right wing protests very seldom commit crimes compared to the recent left wing ones. 22k armed conservatives protested their rights in virginia and not a single person was hurt or property vandalized. But yet you like to think they got away free from bias. The fact that you're even comparing the two when there's no logical connection in the severity of their cases shows your bias

 So you believe the police have traditionally only intervened in protests that were violent?

 I believe now you're shifting the goal post on your statement. Police make more arrests in left wing protests because they are more violent. Period.

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I just don't see this censorship other than trump saying it and being proven wrong about it really

 

 

I can't talk to any right wingers tbh honest cos they get all cross about me being a 'lefty' or a 'libtard' and automatically assume I'm too stupid to understand and get butthurt when I don't immediately denounce the democratic party.

 You're not looking then. Center right people are demonitized all the time on youtube.

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I just don't see this censorship other than trump saying it and being proven wrong about it really

 

 

I can't talk to any right wingers tbh honest cos they get all cross about me being a 'lefty' or a 'libtard' and automatically assume I'm too stupid to understand and get butthurt when I don't immediately denounce the democratic party.

I get this shit from both sides, it's really weird. 

 A pro-Biden person told me that I might as well wear a maga hat and I still think about visiting them while wearing one sometimes

Make sure to bring a friend carrying a cellphone while you have a microphone in your hand, that's the modern bulletproof vest. 

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holmes said: 

I just don't see this censorship other than trump saying it and being proven wrong about it really

 

 

I can't talk to any right wingers tbh honest cos they get all cross about me being a 'lefty' or a 'libtard' and automatically assume I'm too stupid to understand and get butthurt when I don't immediately denounce the democratic party.

 You're not looking then. Center right people are demonitized all the time on youtube.

 Can you name a few? I'm not like, tryna act dumb I just really don't know 

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Kestrel said: 
Kestrel said: 

 

Kestrel said: 

Stop with the duality cope. Left wing extremists cannot even be compared to right wing ones in terms of threat level and what they've done.

Such as?

 

 Antifa, BLM

 I meant about what they've done.

 Killed people, hundreds of millions in vandalism, openly admit to extremist ideals(Marxism and Communism), called for the literal killing of white people and the destruction of religious buildings. Let's not forget occupying entire city blocks holding Americans hostage in an anarchist zone that wouldnt let police or emergency services in. Within the 3 weeks of its existence Americans had to suffer crime rates akin to impoverished third world countries.

Do you really think any right wing group would be allowed to do this?

 Do you think right wing extremists or left wing extremists have killed more people in recency?

You openly admit to extremist ideals yourself.

How many left wingers do you suppose are calling for the killing of white people? And do you believe no right wingers have called for the killing of any non-white people?

Religious buildings falls under vandalism.

Do you have stats on Americans "suffering crime rates akin to impoverished 3rd world countries?

Which leaves us with vandalism. I will grant you that in recent years, the left has done more vandalism, as far as I'm aware. Have they gotten away with it? As much as the police haven't been able to keep up with arrests, and not particularly in a media response that's focused more on the acts of vandalism than the peaceful protests that have wildly outnumbered them. Do I think the right could get away with that to that degree, sans other context? Yes.

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holmes said: 

I just don't see this censorship other than trump saying it and being proven wrong about it really

 

 

I can't talk to any right wingers tbh honest cos they get all cross about me being a 'lefty' or a 'libtard' and automatically assume I'm too stupid to understand and get butthurt when I don't immediately denounce the democratic party.

 You're not looking then. Center right people are demonitized all the time on youtube.

 Can you name a few? I'm not like, tryna act dumb I just really don't know 

 I can, here is one guy I like to watch. He's pretty tame.

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Kestrel said: 

I'm having a hard time understanding how conservative voices are being censored when they have platforms made specifically for them.

You really think it's all okay because there are fringe platforms they can be on? You know how many people have had their careers ruined because they can no longer speak on a platform 95% of the modern world uses. 

You're taking extra steps to look the other way on this.

 Why do you think conservative platforms aren't gaining more traction? Do you see conservatives as a fringe group? I would think that if they're a large enough portion of society, and other platforms are banning them for having opinions that are even mildly conservative, then shouldn't they all be flocking to the platforms expressly made to let them speak?

Considering that "The Right" is enough of a voting bracket to elect a president, I'd figure that they'd find ways to communicate. 

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Kestrel said:
 
Not even. Violence can and has been encouraged by leftist that even half as much would be dealt with if they were right wing.
What violence has the "left" encouraged?

 
 
 
Major figures and corporations were inciting violence with quotes like "No Lives Matter until Black ones do" and "Buildings can be replaced but lives can't".
How does that quote incite violence?
 
 
There was no left wing censor spree, there was no call to de-escalate platforms to be family friendly. How can you say this when you cant even put the same shoe on the other foot in multiple instances.
Discord has decided to be more family friendly because it's more profitable. If left wing servers are toilets to spew racial hate, you think they won't be censored too?

  • A right wing gathering even organizing is instantly labeled that they will be violent

Like what? Trump is having rallies all over - have they been labelled violent?

  • A right wing group rioting would be gunned down by the police instantly as a threat

When has this happened?

  • A right wing group, holding 6 city blocks hostage would be labeled as terrorist and ventilated by SWAT

Give me one reason to support that both sides are equally doing this to one another.

I can't.  But watch this video of cops in Salem, Oregon tell armed Proud Boys/white supremacists to hide in their buildings because they are about to gas/arrest  protesters. He said he is warning them discretely because he didn't want protesters to see police "play favorites."

This actually happened.  
https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/1268944020035653632

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Kestrel said: 
Kestrel said: 
Kestrel said: 
  • A right wing gathering even organizing is instantly labeled that they will be violent
  • A right wing group rioting would be gunned down by the police instantly as a threat
  • A right wing group, holding 6 city blocks hostage would be labeled as terrorist and ventilated by SWAT

If this is the case, how do you explain the long-standing disparity in police force used and arrests made between left wing and right wing protests? Particularly when the right shows up armed?

 The disparity exists because right wing protests very seldom commit crimes compared to the recent left wing ones. 22k armed conservatives protested their rights in virginia and not a single person was hurt or property vandalized. But yet you like to think they got away free from bias. The fact that you're even comparing the two when there's no logical connection in the severity of their cases shows your bias

 So you believe the police have traditionally only intervened in protests that were violent?

 I believe now you're shifting the goal post on your statement. Police make more arrests in left wing protests because they are more violent. Period.

 "Period" is exactly the problem. You're looking at surface-level details without context and calling that the whole argument. Do you believe that the rate of excessive force and arrests is comparable to the rate of violence in left wing protests? Because if you understand that the police react excessively to many peaceful left-wing protests as well as violent ones, shouldn't they also be reacting excessively to some peaceful right-wing protests, simply statistically speaking?

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