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frunk stated: source post

you could accept the reality in their brains.  

Yes,   mental illness is real. We all accept that.    Nobody is denying the reality  of their mental illness, except themselves.  

 frunk stated: source post

In their brain, are these things that determine your gender.  

In their brains is mental illness (gender dysphoria / dysmorphia). Mental illness does not determine gender.   Chromosomes / anatomy determine gender. 

frunk stated: source post 

They are not delusions.

They are. 

frunk stated: source post 

If they choose to change heir genitals, so what?

They are fully entitled to.  Their business. As long as they foot the bill and don't demand the sane world to normalise the abnormal.

moonshine stated: source post

 

frunk stated: source post

you could accept the reality in their brains.  

Yes,   mental illness is real. We all accept that.    Nobody is denying the reality  of their mental illness, except themselves.  

 frunk stated: source post

In their brain, are these things that determine your gender.  

In their brains is mental illness (gender dysphoria / dysmorphia). Mental illness does not determine gender.   Chromosomes / anatomy determine gender. 

frunk stated: source post 

They are not delusions.

They are. 

You just said yourself that gender is based off of chromosomes. 

frunk stated: source post 

If they choose to change heir genitals, so what?

They are fully entitled to.  Their business. As long as they foot the bill and don't demand the sane word to normalise the abnormal.

 

 

Chromosomes are the genotype which express the phenotype....so...yeah....

Gender dysmorphia is the delusion that you are anything other than your phenotype. 

The day you experience that....through your vagina...you are female...and not even the best sex change surgeries are capable of it. Not at this stage of the game. 

“It is possible that a decrease in testosterone levels in the brain during development might result in incomplete masculinization of the brain in male to female transsexuals [sic], resulting in a more feminized brain and a female gender identity,” the study’s authors claimed.

Researchers in Spain further found that the brains of trans men and those assigned male at birth are nearly identical.

Dr. Johanna Olson, who serves as the medical director for the Transgender Clinic at Children's Hospital Los Angeles, told Rolling Stone in 2014 that it’s unlikely there’s any single reason that people are trans. Instead, the development of gender identity is likely a result of both nature and nurture.

Clearly, science and psychology have come a long way from the old Freudian-based notions of gender identity as a product of childhood trauma.

Some children insist, from the moment they can speak, that they are not the gender indicated by their biological sex. So where does this knowledge reside? And is it possible to discern a genetic or anatomical basis for transgender identity? Exploration of these questions is relatively new, but there is a bit of evidence for a genetic basis. Identical twins are somewhat more likely than fraternal twins to both be trans.

Male and female brains are, on average, slightly different in structure, although there is tremendous individual variability. Several studies have looked for signs that transgender people have brains more similar to their experienced gender. Spanish investigators—led by psychobiologist Antonio Guillamon of the National Distance Education University in Madrid and neuropsychologist Carme Junqué Plaja of the University of Barcelona—used MRI to examine the brains of 24 female-to-males and 18 male-to-females—both before and after treatment with cross-sex hormones. Their results, published in 2013, showed that even before treatment the brain structures of the trans people were more similar in some respects to the brains of their experienced gender than those of their natal gender. For example, the female-to-male subjects had relatively thin subcortical areas (these areas tend to be thinner in men than in women). Male-to-female subjects tended to have thinner cortical regions in the right hemisphere, which is characteristic of a female brain. (Such differences became more pronounced after treatment.)

“Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn.

Other investigators have looked at sex differences through brain functioning. In a study published in 2014, psychologist Sarah M. Burke of VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam and biologist Julie Bakker of the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience used functional MRI to examine how 39 prepubertal and 41 adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded to androstadienone, an odorous steroid with pheromonelike properties that is known to cause a different response in the hypothalamus of men versus women. They found that the adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded much like peers of their experienced gender. The results were less clear with the prepubertal children.

This kind of study is important, says Baudewijntje Kreukels, an expert on gender dysphoria at VU University Medical Center, “because sex differences in responding to odors cannot be influenced by training or environment.” The same can be said of another 2014 experiment by Burke and her colleagues. They measured the responses of boys and girls with gender dysphoria to echolike sounds produced by the inner ear in response to a clicking noise. Boys with gender dysphoria responded more like typical females, who have a stronger response to these sounds. But girls with gender dysphoria also responded like typical females.

Overall the weight of these studies and others points strongly toward a biological basis for gender dysphoria. But given the variety of transgender people and the variation in the brains of men and women generally, it will be a long time, if ever, before a doctor can do a brain scan on a child and say, “Yes, this child is trans.”

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

frunk stated: source post

 

“It is possible that a decrease in testosterone levels in the brain during development might result in incomplete masculinization of the brain in male to female transsexuals [sic], resulting in a more feminized brain and a female gender identity,” the study’s authors claimed.

Not exactly strong evidence , is it?

Researchers in Spain further found that the brains of trans men and those assigned male at birth are nearly identical.

Less convincing, and 'assigned'....that is a joke of a term. 

Dr. Johanna Olson, who serves as the medical director for the Transgender Clinic at Children's Hospital Los Angeles, told Rolling Stone in 2014 that it’s unlikely there’s any single reason that people are trans. Instead, the development of gender identity is likely a result of both nature and nurture.

'Gender Identity' is the new flotsam of a term to cover for accurately labeling it as a Mental Illness. 

Clearly, science and psychology have come a long way from the old Freudian-based notions of gender identity as a product of childhood trauma.

More like psychology has become the brain child of a strange smear of reality to normalize the absurd. 

Reach between your legs if you are ever not certain of your gender....works every time...I cannot ever know what it is to "feel' like a male, as i do NOT and NEVER will have the male equipment....to suggest otherwise is ludicrous! Deluding myself on that score would be insane. 

frunk stated: source post

Some children insist, from the moment they can speak, that they are not the gender indicated by their biological sex. So where does this knowledge reside? And is it possible to discern a genetic or anatomical basis for transgender identity? Exploration of these questions is relatively new, but there is a bit of evidence for a genetic basis. Identical twins are somewhat more likely than fraternal twins to both be trans.

Male and female brains are, on average, slightly different in structure, although there is tremendous individual variability. Several studies have looked for signs that transgender people have brains more similar to their experienced gender. Spanish investigators—led by psychobiologist Antonio Guillamon of the National Distance Education University in Madrid and neuropsychologist Carme Junqué Plaja of the University of Barcelona—used MRI to examine the brains of 24 female-to-males and 18 male-to-females—both before and after treatment with cross-sex hormones. Their results, published in 2013, showed that even before treatment the brain structures of the trans people were more similar in some respects to the brains of their experienced gender than those of their natal gender. For example, the female-to-male subjects had relatively thin subcortical areas (these areas tend to be thinner in men than in women). Male-to-female subjects tended to have thinner cortical regions in the right hemisphere, which is characteristic of a female brain. (Such differences became more pronounced after treatment.)

“Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn.

Other investigators have looked at sex differences through brain functioning. In a study published in 2014, psychologist Sarah M. Burke of VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam and biologist Julie Bakker of the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience used functional MRI to examine how 39 prepubertal and 41 adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded to androstadienone, an odorous steroid with pheromonelike properties that is known to cause a different response in the hypothalamus of men versus women. They found that the adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded much like peers of their experienced gender. The results were less clear with the prepubertal children.

This kind of study is important, says Baudewijntje Kreukels, an expert on gender dysphoria at VU University Medical Center, “because sex differences in responding to odors cannot be influenced by training or environment.” The same can be said of another 2014 experiment by Burke and her colleagues. They measured the responses of boys and girls with gender dysphoria to echolike sounds produced by the inner ear in response to a clicking noise. Boys with gender dysphoria responded more like typical females, who have a stronger response to these sounds. But girls with gender dysphoria also responded like typical females.

Overall the weight of these studies and others points strongly toward a biological basis for gender dysphoria. But given the variety of transgender people and the variation in the brains of men and women generally, it will be a long time, if ever, before a doctor can do a brain scan on a child and say, “Yes, this child is trans.”

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

What about backpacks though?

You two are cute. Frunk, your experience would be more interesting if you feel comfortable to discuss it. 

"Semantics at play here Virus, GENDER, is male or female. Of course that is Real. Further to which , I agree most jobs/titles/practices/hobbies can be performed and well done by either sex. That is not the point of the OP though,"

mmmHmmm...

"Gender exists, jobs and whatnot all exist. Why make an issue of a non issue and paint it something it never was to begin with?"

Because it is not an issue to you does not mean it is an issue... I imagine there were little cave boys raised by over protected cave mothers who enjoyed gathering berries and sewing skin together with the ladies more than hunting buffalo with the guys... cave dad called him a sissy and asked when he was gonna become a REAL caveman like him... gender issue starts at t-minus 10, 9,...

"People who think you can have no gender, multiple genders, made-up genders, or fluctuate between genders are simply getting gender and gender roles/expression confused." (-Freakiest)

Right there... and it then leads to someone justifying their issue with something like this...

"Actual transgender people, for whatever reason, feel one gender and physically present as another. Therapy does nothing. Drugs do nothing. The ONLY thing that helps is social transition (some people elect for surgical change, but not all do, for any number of reasons) and acceptance as their mental gender." (-Freakiest)

to which you were spot on again here...

" 'People who think they're fruit bats are helped by medication and therapy, dressing as a fruit bat doesn't help. Your analogy was shit.' (-Freakiest)

'LOL....no, it was quite accurate. I can traipse around in a fruit bat costume and I will never be a bat, same with transgenders...' (-Primal)"

now... to your OP...

"This is just one of those exceedingly fucking obvious issues, in which no one ever got asked whether they wanted to be be born male or female...but now it is somehow how a fucking OPTION? ...LMAO....what is this shit?"

People are fucking bored with themselves... too much time on their hands... that little cave fag I described earlier would have gotten with the program, starved on his own, or been buggard and stoned to death... he didn't have the time on his hands to have the option now did he...

Virus stated: source post

Because it is not an issue to you does not mean it is an issue... I imagine there were little cave boys raised by over protected cave mothers who enjoyed gathering berries and sewing skin together with the ladies more than hunting buffalo with the guys... cave dad called him a sissy and asked when he was gonna become a REAL caveman like him... gender issue starts at t-minus 10, 9,...

Don't know why....but I can't see that...not at all...silly.

 

People are fucking bored with themselves... too much time on their hands... that little cave fag I described earlier would have gotten with the program, starved on his own, or been buggard and stoned to death... he didn't have the time on his hands to have the option now did he...

Pretty much...