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TC, it's as though you are maniacally attached to the outcome....

haart stated: source post

I'm on my phone so I won't write a dissertation, but, by virtue of the dimensions in which we exist, a very specific data set is available. We'll only ever witness Outcome A, and so is it logical to assume it was the only possible outcome, or is it simplistic? I would argue the latter. We're constantly being given hints that variables exist beyond the system we observe, and for that reason, hard determinism feels a bit lazy given modern advances in quantum physics.

But, ultimately, "free will" and "fate" are absolutes, and the universe is unkind to absolute concepts.

 Would you be willing to explain how quantum physics imparts free will?

So what you are saying is that we have free will, because we do things and then have the recognition that we did them? What exactly do you mean?

Would you be willing to point out where I said that? XD

Arguing against a predetermined universe isn't arguing for free will. I've already stated that total "free will" is unlikely.

ThenFuckit stated: source post

Something is random if you don't know anything about the outcome. It is random to you.

Exactly, to you. 
 

Something is purely random if its impossible to know the outcome, even if you know everything.

Improbable is likely, but impossible is impossible. 
 

Yes another person can guess. They can also fail at guessing.

Well yeah, we're terrible at predicting outcomes on average. That doesn't mean that it can't be predicted however. 

You had said, "We're constantly being given hints that variables exist beyond the system we observe, and for that reason, hard determinism feels a bit lazy given modern advances in quantum physics."

What advances in quantum physics are you talking about specifically?

Are you familiar with the concept of "known unknowns"?

Looking purely at the idea of variables we can't observe (i.e. beyond our observable system), but that we know can exert influence on our observable system (think: wind in the trees), you've got dark matter, dark energy, dark flow, the Flyby anomaly, the "Space Roar", etc etc.

Do you want more?

EDIT: I might add that when I say "can't observe" I'm including degrees of ability to observe. I suppose the absence of a mathematical function is the main criterion.

haart stated: source post

Are you familiar with the concept of "known unknowns"?

None of what you brought up has significant relevance to quantum mechanics.

You can give me "more," if you'd like, but instead of trying to leverage uncertainty in a universe where objectivity is impossible, and no one here taking deterministic standpoints argue that it is, I'd like to see some evidence that there is free will.

Tryptamine stated: source post

trying to leverage uncertainty

That's a very succinct way of putting it.