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Fate vs random acts of horror


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Each day my job begins reading news clips off the wire. The news is curated and then I wade through some of the most vile shit humanity is capable of. Every now and then, a story gets inside my brain and turns for days. This week's marble is like this...

An elderly couple was going on a road trip to see their kids/grandkids. They were in their late 70s. They made the journey many times before. The man was a retried truck driver, so no one was concerned about their safety. But they never reached their destination. Their charred motorhome was found a week after they were supposed to arrive and they were never seen again. That was 6 years ago. Their tow vehicle was found with traces of their blood inside and the grandfather's ball cap was found stained with his blood and a bullet hole through it.  All evidence points to a lone meth addict and likely a robbery gone awry.

They were on a quiet highway and it's suspected they stopped for lunch in their RV where they were then jacked and murdered. The missing details of what took place before they were killed turns in my mind. Was one killed first and the other kept as a hostage and then killed because they were a witness? What would you think when one moment you were looking forward to seeing your family and then you were watching someone kill your wife/husband of 50 years right in front of you. Did they fight back? 

I never know why one story will stick in my brain over others but the whole idea of fate is gnawing at my mind. Had they left a day earlier or later, or even an hour later, or if they wouldn't have stopped in that particular place at that particular time, or opened the door, or did whatever they did that enabled shit to go down, would they have survived? So many random variables led to one fuck awful encounter no one could have foreseen. Including the killer. 

This realization that we have no control over anything and it doesn't matter if you're a good person or a shit person cause really bad shit can happen to anyone in an instant messes my head. And I know I'm stating the obvious.  

I know people who were in knowingly bad places at knowingly bad times and who paid for it. That made sense to me and there's order in that. I don't get why these people died so violently and randomly at the hands of a drug addict they never even knew. I know this shit happens everyday.  But I am struck how so many innocent, meaningless decisions collided into one giant piece of shit moment. Is it fate or just random circumstance?

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Fate vs random acts of horror

There is comfort in structure, and structure is superimposed from the top-down.

Governments are structures. Societies are structures. Most people are very uncomfortable with uncertainty. I say this from personal experience, but I am sure there are a multitude of experiments that corroborate my statement.

I have work in the morning so I'm not going to be doing research at 1 AM...but look at the Milgram experiments, the Stanford prison experiment, etc. People have such a strong preference for structure, that persons with no criminal background are willing to kill and beat others to maintain order.

The world, however, is only structured in a mechanical sense.

The pioneer of Game Theory, John Forbes Nash Jr., created an economic paradigm which blew anything close to it out of the water at the time. Then, he went on to develop paranoid schizophrenia and fled to Europe, under the delusion the CIA were hunting him down. Nash regained his sanity, and was working on groundbreaking maths with differential equations, when he and his wife were killed when their taxi was impacted.

The universe, if it operates according to some order, does not act in accordance with what we expect of it with our limited understand of causality and how all things are interconnected.

"Is it fate or just random circumstance?"

Fated to happen. Seemingly random to the person these things happen to.

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MissCommunication stated: source post

 

This realization that we have no control over anything and it doesn't matter if you're a good person or a shit person cause really bad shit can happen to anyone in an instant messes my head. And I know I'm stating the obvious.  

Mmhmm....shit happens....if you are lucky...you live, if not?....game over. 

@Trypt

The universe, if it operates according to some order, does not act in accordance with what we expect of it with our limited understand of causality and how all things are interconnected.

..you know...if there is or not/ a God or Universal cause and effect...remains unknown and of little point to debate as none will ever know the answer anyways....and if we did....what might it change or not is beyond comprehension. However, it does seem that the Laws of Chaos / Equilibrium are a pair of funny fuckers...lol...

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I'm not sure but I think you might be saying you believe in fate, even though it feels random to those involved? Personally, I find comfort in the idea of fate. Like what happens is meant to be and there's a reason for it even if we will never understand it. 

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Primal stated: source post

 

MissCommunication stated: source post

 

This realization that we have no control over anything and it doesn't matter if you're a good person or a shit person cause really bad shit can happen to anyone in an instant messes my head. And I know I'm stating the obvious.  

Mmhmm....shit happens....if you are lucky...you live, if not?....game over. 

@Trypt

The universe, if it operates according to some order, does not act in accordance with what we expect of it with our limited understand of causality and how all things are interconnected.

..you know...if there is or not/ a God or Universal cause and effect...remains unknown and of little point to debate as none will ever know the answer anyways....and if we did....what might it change or not is beyond comprehension. However, it does seem that the Laws of Chaos / Equilibrium are a pair of funny fuckers...lol...

 

The universe appears to be rather structured. Consider things such as genetic engineering, chemistry, Boeing airplanes, the Internet, pharmaceuticals, knowledge of where the "pleasure center" is in the human brain, 3D-printed surrogate organs, satellites that make precise orbits because physicists work on how the gravitation of different planets will affect movement, the LHC that found the Boson particle predicted to exist. And so on. There seems to be a structure.

Sure, you can't know if there is a God, or we're living in a simulation, etc. But I think it would be ignorant to disregard the accumulation of human understanding.

I'd also like to propose the idea that what you see as "chaos" may actually be structure that you simply can't account for.

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Basically this, but I don't believe things are "meant to happen," other than in the sense that they are inevitable consequences of all things interacting in tandem.

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Primal stated: source post

 

MissCommunication stated: source post

 

This realization that we have no control over anything and it doesn't matter if you're a good person or a shit person cause really bad shit can happen to anyone in an instant messes my head. And I know I'm stating the obvious.  

Mmhmm....shit happens....if you are lucky...you live, if not?....game over. 

I get it. You're edgy. "Shit happens" Meh, you think you're unaffected but to me you come across as another sheltered suburbanite, Primal. 

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Tryptamine stated: source post

 

I'd also like to propose the idea that what you see as "chaos" may actually be structure that you simply can't account for.

I can work with that....for what else is Equilibrium but constant Chaos? ...the trick....lol....;) ....  God is in the rain....

 

I get it. You're edgy. "Shit happens" Meh, you think you're unaffected but to me you come across as another sheltered suburbanite, Primal.

.....BAWhahahhaha....So so sooooooooooooooooo not even close..... 

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So there is no reason...
I mean every action has an equal and.... ya, you know the rest. But no, this doesn't fit what my mind is gnawing on.... 

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I think you have the term equilibrium mixed up with thermodynamics? At any rate, I am not sure what you're getting at here.

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