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Transplutonian annihilation

Prey to the orb of disconnection
Die to the now of dimension
Fuck it up Fuck it up
Fuck it Fuck it up
Transplutonian annihilation

You are afraid
I know exactly
The all and we
The fear is here
Wir spielen in dem wald
Wir spielen überall
Die angst ist hier
Das all und wir!!

Transplutonian annihilation
Transplutonian annihilation
Transplutonian annihilation

There is no reason. There is no fate.

Its what you decide.

This great big world 
Spreads its great big arms 
Sometimes for a warm embrace 
Or intending to do harm

And our minds soak it all up 
And we label everything 
Because we're subjects to the programs 
Of the ancient human being.

And all you think you are 
Everything you want to be 
Is only happening 
In your reality

'Cause We decide it 
We decide it 
We decide it 
And so
We reap what we sow

We decide it 
We decide it 
We decide it 
And so
We reap what we sow

And a trillion miles away 
In uncharted galaxies 
Swirl the fabric of your thoughts 
Manifesting fantasies

But we focus on destruction 
Money and corruption
Until we found ourselves 
Buried in the ground

(May our dreams never die) 
(May our dreams never die) 

'Cause We decide it 
We decide it 
We decide it 
And so 
We reap what we sow

We decide it 
We decide it 
We decide it 
And so 
We reap what we sow

We decide it 
We decide it 
We decide it 
And so 
We reap what we sow

I don't think i understand your question? What do you not get? A meth addict went nuts and did a crime where no one seemed to think it can happen. Makes sense to me. I would expect that. I expect such things, i think about them. I prepare even, sometimes. People don't see the great variety of the world. They do not see the many random ways you can just disappear too, which adds to the variety. Its really fun.

MissCommunication stated: source post

"I argue that the occurrence you mentioned was indeed fate. Everything in the lives of the persons involved...all impressions made upon them by their environments, the environments with which they became intertwined with that shaped them (and who they would become), where they would go and what they would do consequentially, the conclusions they would formulate based on all of these factors...inevitably led them to that one point which became a news story."

Your theory may be right but that means that everything is predetermined and then what's the point of anything? We're basically just pawns in some master game we can't influence. So many inconsequential decisions lead to that moment. It's not like when a person makes a lifetime of shit decisions and then faces a shit outcome, which is essentially a direct result of all the choices they made and the character they developed (who they would become). That scenario, fits my world view. But this story is the polar opposite of that....

I mean they stopped to get gas and buy cookies. This was caught on surveillance camera and was the last time they were seen alive. If they hadn't done that one thing maybe it would have put them on the road earlier and they never would have crossed paths with this guy.

Tbh, I think this bothers me because these people remind me of some of my older (and kinder) relatives and i see how vulnerable they are. I know I can't protect them from random things like this. It makes an already weak foundation seem shakier.

Its irrelevant if the universe is predetermined or not, from the point of view of our daily lives. Because we do not know all the variables and do not have the computing power or knowledge to use these variables even if we knew them.

What you are missing is that we are not anyone's pawns, because the universe is not a person. At least not so far and this is the more likely conclusion.

It's almost impossible to even comprehension how irrelevant is if you have real influence or perceived influence in the face of a predetermined universe. I can't even elaborate well. You should ignore the predetermination of the universe, because its literary irrelevant if you know about it or not, if the universe is predetermined.
In a predetermined universe, your life is already set, so why bother wondering if you have influence? Even you bothering about it was predetermined. Your decision to give up as a result was predetermined. Or your decision to ignore it, or live in denial that you are fighting it, also was. No matter what happens, it was decided already, in a predetermined universe.
As such, its irrelevant from a non scientific point of view, if its predetermined, you don't effect anything if it is.

It only matters if its not predetermined, then you have to do things to get what you want. However, when its predetermined, you still have to do things, you just have no real choice over doing these things, but you don't even know it :P . So why does it matter?

haart stated: source post

My gut feeling - for the little it's worth - is that there's an interplay between inevitability and countless modifiable variables. You can't choose your genetic profile, you only have so much influence over your environment and circumstances, but you do have some degree of control. Is it total free will? Perhaps not. But I'll take it :P

Well put, as usual, Haart. Agreed.  

"It's almost impossible to even comprehension how irrelevant is if you have real influence or perceived influence in the face of a predetermined universe. I can't even elaborate well. You should ignore the predetermination of the universe, because its literary irrelevant if you know about it or not, if the universe is predetermined."

Ya, I suppose it's irrelevant since you cant know for sure or change it. But then again, why contemplate anything.  

Tryptamine stated: source post

You are able to exchange reason for comfort? I did not expect that from you.

Yeah this is news to me as well.

Free will is a myth made from being able to think of things before an action happens. We assume that because we can observe what's going on that we have some sort of control over it, but really... we're just observing something that was set into motion ages ago. With enough digging, every action can be seen for how it stemmed from something else prior, which itself stemmed from something prior. which itself stemmed, which itself...

It's just one long chain reaction. Life's a game of dominos, and we assume that seeing the tide of falling pieces means that we can impact it somehow. Everything we think, say, and do is the result of something that came before, and we can willfully change the future about as much as we can change the past. Answering enough "Whys" shows how automatic everything truly is.

We can never be the beginning of anything. 

Tryptamine stated: source post

You are able to exchange reason for comfort? I did not expect that from you.

The idea of free will is more appealing to me on an aesthetic/emotional level. I'm agnostic on the actual issue of free will versus hard determinism.

but often you can choose to do one thing or another and all options came from what we were before, but we still have a multiple choice.
the question is, if you can mathematically calculate what your choice will be, by using mathematical formulas for your entire life?

and we do not know enough to say how this works. maybe all options are viable even in the mathematical formula, which would mean there is free will

or maybe the formula will point to only one possible answer, which means there isn't free will.

ThenFuckit stated: source post

but often you can choose to do one thing or another and all options came from what we were before, but we still have a multiple choice.

I think that is generally the case.

the question is, if you can mathematically calculate what your choice will be, by using mathematical formulas for your entire life?

Probably...but a massive waste of time..lol...run a Monte Carlo algorithm for every choice.....nah...

and we do not know enough to say how this works. maybe all options are viable even in the mathematical formula, which would mean there is free will

I am going to go with free will

or maybe the formula will point to only one possible answer, which means there isn't free will.

That is so very constraining....Free will, but not necessarily that I/you. anyone will make the best Choice for a desire outcome....and again...context and situation specific etc etc etc....and a whole lot of variables and permutations on themes,....

ThenFuckit stated: source post

but often you can choose to do one thing or another and all options came from what we were before, but we still have a multiple choice.

We have the idea that we have multiple choices, but once it comes down to it only one conclusion happens, a conclusion that was bound to happen from everything prior to it leading to that conclusion. So many things affect what choice someone will make, both things outside of us that influence what will happen and things about us that are more automatic than we allow our egos to give credit. We need to think we have control, when really, what we do is going to happen because of who we already are and who we will become being the product purely of our environment. 

We don't make choices really, the choices make themselves. Everything can be rendered predictable once you factor in enough variables, but we aren't good enough to factor in everything at once. We assume that our guesswork must be free will, but it's really just guessing that we think has the means to change things. Even your thoughts on said choices aren't something you steer, but rather you are the one who is steered by circumstances both major and minor. Even something as small as diet can drastically affect future outcomes, and while you might think that said diet change was a choice, it's largely the byproduct of a prior chain of events that didn't actually give you a choice. We truly have as much control over the future as we do the past. 

Choice is an illusion, an opiate of the ego. Watch people for long enough and you'll see how much that choice doesn't really exist. 

Thank heavens I don't subscribe to that train of thought TC.....like...just...no. 

We don't make choices really, the choices make themselves. 

Nope....lol....no they don't.....were that the case ....Damn....

Choice is an illusion, an opiate of the ego. Watch people for long enough and you'll see how much that choice doesn't really exist. 

Bullshit.