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Democracy works. Its just slow.

The people are becoming more aware and the Brexit is proof of it.

I do not like it, because its slow. But it works at the end of the day. Could be better, but this is a discussion for another time, i dont have the patience atm.

And look, not everyone are going to get what they want. But when you have say 100 things that the people think will happen, at least 50% of those will happen after the vote, so a part of those people will get what they want. And i made up these numbers, the point is a large majority will still get what they want. You can't please everyone, you can make the same argument for those that voted remain even if they won. Its such a stupid argument imo.

Also if you do not like democracy, then your opinions make much more sense.

Bullets are democratic. Depends which end of the rifle you are on...lol..

Edvard stated: source post

Good lord you are a fucking moron. When you censor fucking racist slurs, you are focusing on them. The way things work is that when someone is racist, you just ignore him and dismiss him, not the fucking opposite.

Such bullshit. By this logic, if ISIS starts filling the media with their beliefs and incite people to join their cause we should just fucking ignore them? Because of freedom of speech or not to draw attention to them? What an idiot you are. They are the ones who draw attention to themselves. Racist talk draws attention to racist talk. The Dallas shooter liked a FB page of a group openly encouraging violence and hate towards cops, with fucking pictures of armed black people all over the place. "Take up arms and give them what they deserve" and what do you know, someone acted on this. Why was that group allowed to function and inspire? 

 

And then when you censor one racist slur you can make an excuse to censor a sensible argument that was not racist by saying it is. And then you get racists people getting power because they point at this censorship as a talking point for their own racism. And because the other side keeps censoring real points based on imaginary racism, people turn to the racists, since they are the only people who make sense at that point.

Racial hate talk should be more than censored. They should be punished like any crime. Fines, whatever. Your argument could be applied to all the fucking criminals. "Punishing criminals gets them power and gives them talking point for their own crimes." The fuck? 

 

Do you fucking get it? Is your brain processing this? Are there sparkles in your head yet?

Pathetic. If you don't fucking get something, don't talk bullshit. There is a fucking reason why free-speech should be 100% fucking free.

I think it's time for people to take responsibility for what they are saying. They think they are entitled to say anything with 0 consequences, but there are consequences to what they are saying, and they need to understand them. They need to be responsibilized(?) via education and knowledge that they CAN be held responsible by society. Same as with any crime.

When that NRA guy was asked "why do you have loaded rifles in your house?" his answer was simply: "because it's my right". Well, him having that right is what's wrong.

Look at this, its exactly my point:

There are 2 things that democracy has gotten perfectly. The free market and the free market of ideas.

Taking away the second is the most regressive thing you could do on this planet, ever, in any time, past, present or future. This is one of the most important things in the entire world for progress.

I said it before and its happening. Step by step.

And the Brexit is the first step towards progress. I did not expect it, but now that i know more about the UK, it makes sense.

Primal stated: source post

Yeah people will start saying more offensive shit and hating on each other more openly, then what. I'd like you to explore this a bit please, I'm extremely curious to see what solutions/measures you'd take and what results/reactions from the people you imagine.

 

It's called respect. It works both ways

Not saying offensive shit is more about not being disrespectful than about showing respect. You don't have to respect someone to not disrespect them. Sometimes shutting your mouth and not offending others is a difficult but necessary compromise to carry on peacefully and successfully (in society, military, at work, in family, etc). If a moderate muslim reads your comments on "ban the islam hoards" and all the poisonous stuff you've been writing they will feel rightfully disrespected, and will rightfully disrespect you back. This is unproductive and only deepens the issues.

being disrespectful back is okay; going ALLAHU AKBAR! explosion isnt

Is your point that disrespecting a moderate muslim is justified by some other fucking nutters going ALLAHU AKBAR explosion? I don't get it.

No one is talking about not disrespecting terrorists. The consensus pretty much is that they need to be killed.

Another Bulgarian article was removed and a party leader and the journalist who wrote it were fined for using a bad word to describe a gypsy who committed murder.

This happened because a non-government humanitarian institution pushed it. This institution is known for favoring gypsies above the law many times.

And this is yet another example of censorship, because of "hate speech".

ThenFuckit stated: source post

Democracy works. Its just slow.

Ok first off take a look at this:

http://democracyranking.org/wordpress/rank/democracy-ranking-2015/

Nordic countries are ranked in the top 5 buddy. Germany is number 7. UK is 12. USA is 16. Bulgaria is 42.

You have been bitching about the doom and disaster awaiting the nordic countries and germany because of their politics since the beginning of this discussion.

The people are becoming more aware and the Brexit is proof of it.

Brexit is the exact opposite of people being aware of what they want. 1.The biggest q in the UK right now is wtf Brexit means exactly. 2.Most brexit voters voted for issues that had little to do with the EU itself.

Also let's see how democratic the whole mess ends up being. There is a 2 party system in the UK much like in the USA, with prime ministers being elected from either the Tory or Labour parties leaders since 1922. The general public elects members of parliament from each party. The party which wins the majority in the House of Commons (which has in total 650 MPs) gets to form the government, and the leader of that party is automatically the Prime Minister.

In 2015 that was the Tory party which got 330 MPs elected in the House, and the leader of the Tories had been Cameron since 2005, so he carried on automatically as the Prime Minister. (Leaders of parties can carry on endlessly unless they quit or are thrown out by a no confidence vote from the party MPs.)

But after the referendum Cameron resigned so the Tory party had to elect a new leader. The 330 Tory MPs chose by vote two MP candidates: This lady Theresa May got 200 MP votes, and another lady called Leadsom got about 90 or so. They were supposed to then hold a campaign until september to convince the entire Tory membership (150 000 people) to vote for either one of them (the winner automatically becoming the Prime Minister). Well in the first week of the campaign Leadsom announced she quit so Theresa May was automatically made leader of the Tory party and prime minister. May escaped even the vote from the 150 000 party membership and basically ended up running the country with just the votes of 200 MP who voted for her. That is 200 people out of 45,325,100 people with the right to vote in the UK, which is 0.00044% deciding the fucking future of Britain. May had no chance of presenting ANY program about what she plans to do/achieve with the country, she was given free hand to choose whatever course of action she wants, and chances are not even she knows what that is at this point. XD Good that grandpa Pat still feels as if he had a say in this though, "took his country back".

And look, not everyone are going to get what they want. But when you have say 100 things that the people think will happen, at least 50% of those will happen after the vote, so a part of those people will get what they want. And i made up these numbers, the point is a large majority will still get what they want. You can't please everyone, you can make the same argument for those that voted remain even if they won. Its such a stupid argument imo.

It's not a stupid argument because Brexit can mean 100 different things not even the Brexiteers can agree upon, while staying in the EU means continuing on the same path.

Also if you do not like democracy, then your opinions make much more sense.

Democracy gives better results in some countries than others. The mindset and awareness of the citizens is important, how they understand their civic duties and rights.

However in the end, democracy or not, the results are as good as the leaders are. The leaders are the most important.

Not saying offensive shit is more about not being disrespectful than about showing respect. You don't have to respect someone to not disrespect them. Sometimes shutting your mouth and not offending others is a difficult but necessary compromise to carry on peacefully and successfully (in society, military, at work, in family, etc). If a moderate muslim reads your comments on "ban the islam hoards" and all the poisonous stuff you've been writing they will feel rightfully disrespected, and will rightfully disrespect you back. This is unproductive and only deepens the issues.

Bullshit, were there not already a problem, I would not be saying 'offensive shit'. Chicken or the fking egg argument. I don't give a shit if "ban muslim hordes' is 'offensive, as it is NOT, it is a preference based on the ACTIONS of that 'minority of a minority' which is the reason. You are unbelievably fcking dense. Offensive is the rapes of European women. 

I like to think you cannot be this dumb... but you keep proving me wrong. 

It's not a stupid argument because Brexit can mean 100 different things not even the Brexiteers can agree upon, while staying in the EU means continuing on the same path.

That was and remains a losing proposition Eddie, ISLAMOPE is not the preferred outcome for many. Some people actually LIKE their own culture and religion. They are not running around with guilt complexes about the past. Not something you seem able to comprehend.