genocide and wars exist.
i guess only world wars don't.
but only because if they did, we would all die.
which is why wars don't exist on the surface too.
not because we have changed our mindsets xD
Edvard stated: source post
My point is that I find your mindset backwards.
My mindset is the opposite of isolation and division.
If you think that is backwards, then we do have different mindsets and yours has never been a western one.
Defiance stated: source post
Western culture is better then the middle east.Are you really so sure about that? OK, I agree a lot of Islam is barbaric and medieval. But we live in a world where people can change their gender, have no gender, believe it is offensive to say the word gender... Apparently 'gender neutral toyshops' is a serious political campaign issue. Soon I'll be able to marry my sister or my cat, seeing as men can marry men and women can marry women and nobody bats an eyelid. There are women who use abortion as a form of birth control, it's acceptable for a 16yo to be unmarried yet have two children by different fathers and nobody dare say otherwise... There are women who go to the supermarket IN THEIR PYJAMAS. I could go on.
ThenFuckit stated: source post
Yes, western culture is better. I am quite sure. Not just radical islam is disgusting. Islam is disgusting. Moderate muslims are worse then moderate christians in a western civilizations, culturally wise.I prefer gay pride parades, trans-racial people, otherkin, dog fuckers and fucking crazy SJW over the insanity, barbarism and savagery of Islamic culture. Because gay pride parades, trans-racial people, otherkin, dog fuckers and fucking crazy SJW wont kill you. And you can easily fight them as a result.
Look I am not smartypants or philosophical but I had a drink and Cadaver made me listen to some fancy music, and I thought a bit about this. I think we're faced with a void of values within society. Religion kinda gave people some guidelines for living their lives that felt more meaningful and important, you know. They transcended just the simple fear of getting caught by the police, there was a deeper motivation in people to stick to values. I dunno. All over the world, people naturally found and had some faith/religion to believe in for millennia.
Then religion got replaced with ideology. We've seen those enlightenment freemasonry values (liberty, equality, fraternity) that shaped the beginnings of modern civilization, and I believe during that time changing the world so massively was possible because some people truly believed in those values and inspired others to do so, above the desire to gain power and benefits for themselves.
After the west started losing its God and secularization became a thing, and nihilism started, Nietzsche, that stuff, modern people found themselves somewhat abruptly out of meaningful values.
It's why in absence of religion people show an affinity for ideologies as replacement. We got nationalism, communism, all those "currents" of thinking that people latch onto to build a system of values in place of the void. Then those were taken away and faded in the western world as well over the past decades. I think there is an undeniable sense of being bit adrift, lost, when people don't believe in anything that's not bigger than themselves. They grow more individualistic, selfish, shallow, materialistic. It's a lack of substance that faces one with one's own insignificance and meaninglessness, and I think this determines a crisis within the individual. People seem to need something to believe in to get out of that crisis. They are looking for smth to replace what they have lost.
I think islam is attracting people even from modern civilizations because it offers some values, something bigger than the shallowness and lack of meaning eating at today's society. I also believe this is why other ideologies tend to form as well nowadays, hence the rebirth of nationalism and all that stuff.
Eddie; Show me some of those "serious studies" that show how much the UK loses with the migrants then. I showed you sources.
How those numbers are calculated is another debate unto itself....the numbers can be made to tell various stories, depending who wants to shove one way or the other. So..
Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are
endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a
spirit of brotherhood.
However the muslims are not similarly bound, and that is evidenced in their war torn countries. And similarly when they are accepted into Europe, they do no ACT towards their hosts in the spirit of brotherhood. Not by a long shot.
Article 2
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration,
without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion,
political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.
Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political,
jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person
belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other
limitation of sovereignty.
The EU has already gone against this in their own actions. Nice idea, but doesn't hold up in practice.
Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
In theory. In reality, that is dependent on the other.
Article 4
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be
prohibited in all their forms.
Still battling that one and the definition is relative as well..lol
Article 5
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment
or punishment.
Hate Speech is considered torture by some..lol...and to have an illegal opinion is...what is that Eddie?
Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Really? But minorities have More rights in practice.
Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal
protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any
discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such
discrimination.
WhOA!! Excellent....but NOT if you are a European or white. You are to be guilted, shamed and shut down until you goose step to the EU propaganda.
etc etc..
Article 12
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home
or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has
the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
REALLY?? Seems that is rampant already. But it comes under the term 'Hate Speech'
Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right
includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in
community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in
teaching, practice, worship and observance.
You don't have the right to force it on anyone else, either. And that is what is happening with the 'Sharia this and that' ...so ...???
Article 20
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
2. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Hmmm....and that is precisely what the EU is doing with strong arm tactics, propaganda and basically gas lighting/ lying to the public and silencing the public either through direct means or forcing the media to 'self censor' in order to not stir up waves of dissent with the Facts. .
Article 22
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled
to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in
accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic,
social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development
of his personality
Nice, but who PAYS for that, Eddie. And with the current education system, it's pretty laughable. Drones that feel guilty when their rapist is deported?
It's as though, you have some blind 'belief' in a complete failure of the EU while the EU gasses you and everyone else with factoids covering up the fail and those that grew up in the indoctrination refuse to see reality.
Even if this shit were true, you still don't see how calling people who disagree with you "paid EU trolls" is stupid paranoia?
She didn't. You did. In case you wish to deny the obvious, yet again, the EU is a FAIL and anyone that tries to state that Fact is being shut down. lol And you Eddie have been drinking the KoolAid for so long , you can't live without it.
Not the one we know and want now, no. That one kept getting into genocide and world wars...
Who is 'we'...?? Your 'we' did not discuss this with me or many others before hand to decide if there is a 'we' and by the looks of it, there are MANY who are not interested in the EU concept. In order to make it appear that there is greater interest, media is being controlled with this sort of thing.
It's why in absence of religion people show an affinity for ideologies as replacement. We got nationalism, communism, all those "currents" of thinking that people latch onto to build a system of values in place of the void. Then those were taken away and faded in the western world as well over the past decades. I think there is an undeniable sense of being bit adrift, lost, when people don't believe in anything that's not bigger than themselves. They grow more individualistic, selfish, shallow, materialistic. It's a lack of substance that faces one with one's own insignificance and meaninglessness, and I think this determines a crisis within the individual. People seem to need something to believe in to get out of that crisis. They are looking for smth to replace what they have lost.
I think you are projecting.
Loss of values is a good point. And if you take a look at Western Values ( whatever those seem to be at present) vs Islamic Values, there is a massive problem. Forcing those two value systems together has been a blood bath for 1400 years. In that time, the Western side has managed to evolve, albeit , rather strangely and from the Islamic perspective it is contemptible and must be destroyed by any means necessary. ( but Islam is equally fucked up, but we already know that ) Now, you have the Hippie EU dope smoking Utopians who have fried their brains with MDMA and DMT and who the hell knows what else , searching for 'meaning'....while forcing minority quotas into jobs and universities. All the while claiming a win for multi culti when in reality, it was being forced down people's throats.
I think islam is attracting people even from modern civilizations because it offers some values, something bigger than the shallowness and lack of meaning eating at today's society. I also believe this is why other ideologies tend to form as well nowadays, hence the rebirth of nationalism and all that stuff.
People don't know who they are anymore, due to the PC bullshit. Past guilt is being used like a hammer on kids FFS. ThenFuckIt posted an article about that. Same style stupid happened in Germany and the Norway rape victim, same mentality.
In addition to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Magna Carta which is also relevant..
23. No village or individual shall be compelled to make bridges at river banks, except those who from of old were legally bound to do so.
51. As soon as peace is restored, we will banish from the kingdom all foreign born knights, crossbowmen, serjeants, and mercenary soldiers who have come with horses and arms to the kingdom's hurt.
The EU is an IDEA, not a geography per se....a loose alignment, that is benefiting no one at present....the last 20 years it has been a brainwashing in the education...the media slobbers on itself the wonders of the EU ( and believes its own crap) and anything that is in opposition is termed Hate Speech...that is bloody funny , Eddie....
Primal stated: source post
In case you wish to deny the obvious, yet again, the EU is a FAIL and anyone that tries to state that Fact is being shut down.
What exactly is the EU failing or being undemocratic with? It'd be easier to debate this point if people could be more specific.
Primal stated: source post
Eddie; Show me some of those "serious studies" that show how much the UK loses with the migrants then. I showed you sources.
How those numbers are calculated is another debate unto itself....the numbers can be made to tell various stories, depending who wants to shove one way or the other. So..
Eight Central and Eastern European countries (the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia), plus two Mediterranean countries (Malta and Cyprus) joined on 1 May 2004. Bulgaria and Romania joined in January 2007. It's these countries the immigrants that bother the brits come from, and it's their contribution we were talking about.
So Primey, what were you thinking when you posted this stat from 2004? #shakes Primal# LOOK AT WHAT YOU POSTED PRIMAL, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING??! You are completely clueless in this whole debate aren't you. XD
Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are
endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a
spirit of brotherhood.However the muslims are not similarly bound, and that is evidenced in their war torn countries. And similarly when they are accepted into Europe, they do no ACT towards their hosts in the spirit of brotherhood. Not by a long shot.
First off, there are plenty of civilized muslims with respect for life who can live very well within our societies respecting our rights, so this fact alone puts your argument down. The socio-political environment is more to blame than religion.
Other regions (which aren't limited to the islamic ones) not respecting human rights is not a reason we should give up ours Primey. The countries where the human rights are discarded are not doing well at all, are they. More reason for us to keep ours.
Article 5No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment
or punishment.Hate Speech is considered torture by some..lol...and to have an illegal opinion is...what is that Eddie?
Hate speech is a form of bullying. Shit like writing on the walls of schools "go home polish scum" is a form of bullying, it is not a right of free speech. Why the fuck would I be supporting the "right" some people believe they have to bully others? Boo fucking hoo Primey can't hate on people for invalid reasons and babies can't be named Adolf Hitler. Life is so fucking unfair.
You must also confuse me with someone who believes everyone is entitled to shouting loudly their opinions. TBH I hate this entitlement. I support the notion of "educated opinion" and think it's bad that all the dumbasses poison the well of educated opinions and facts with their own shit, thinking their opinions are as valuable as those of experts in the field and those who have undeniable experience and achievements. I think given the stupidity and ignorance of so many people, some should be forbidden to spread their stupidity and ignorance for the sake of everyone else. Feel free to quote me in the "unpopular opinions thread". Sadly it can't and shouldn't be done by force, but by education and encouraging a sense of humbleness and "don't talk when you don't know wtf you are talking about". Sadly everyone thinks they're a know-it-all these days.
WhOA!! Excellent....but NOT if you are a European or white. You are to be guilted, shamed and shut down until you goose step to the EU propaganda.
I don't sense that you have any guilt and shame tbh. I think they're not doing a good job at all, they should step it up.
The very fact that we can debate all these things should shut you about about the entire censorship shit, tbh.
Article 18Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right
includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in
community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in
teaching, practice, worship and observance.You don't have the right to force it on anyone else, either. And that is what is happening with the 'Sharia this and that' ...so ...???
Who forced sharia on you in countries that respect the declaration of human rights?
Article 20
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
2. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.Hmmm....and that is precisely what the EU is doing with strong arm tactics, propaganda and basically gas lighting/ lying to the public and silencing the public either through direct means or forcing the media to 'self censor' in order to not stir up waves of dissent with the Facts.
The facts are that
-everyone should answer for their crimes individually according to the laws of the country they're in
-many people lack the brain skill necessary to think of migrants as separate individuals since more nuance is required
-in order to protect innocents from suffering unfairly due to the above people's limitations, the media has the responsibility (obligation even) to take extra care about what they are publishing
Article 22
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled
to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in
accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic,
social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development
of his personalityNice, but who PAYS for that, Eddie.
Do you have a problem with people paying for those with disabilities too? I mean it's just a waste of money. People with disabilities are leeches on society, do nothing, absorb money, they shouldn't spread their genes (reference to the "consanguinity bad genes" argument wooster brought up in relation to migrants lmao). I mean, let's fucking deport all people with disabilities from our countries.