no organisation should impose its will on another countries government.
and its not strange, its bad lol. but someone here said they don't do that.
its not strange, its common sense and its also why its common sense not to be a apart of an organisation that will impose its will like that.
they have no interest in the country's well being or the people in it, they are interested in their own well being and their own power. they have no principles to be helpful or to create a real union.
Lets see at the people who voted to remain in the EU, the young people, those with education, those that voted from reason and not from emotion:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/brexit-referendum-voters-survey
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Here are some videos:
This one is definitely not saying voting to leave is racist:
And lets see this calm and rational individual:
I wont post all the videos, so you can feel free to browse:
https://www.youtube.com/user/gwplondon/videos
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I was not going to post this, but holy shit, this is fucking hilarious:
http://fusion.net/story/320557/brexit-hamilton-democracy/
"This hijacking of the technocrats by the people is by no means a purely British phenomenon. The people are calling the shots more and more, in a way that never used to happen."
Edvard stated: source post
Defiance stated: source post
Western culture is better then the middle east.Are you really so sure about that? OK, I agree a lot of Islam is barbaric and medieval. But we live in a world where people can change their gender, have no gender, believe it is offensive to say the word gender... Apparently 'gender neutral toyshops' is a serious political campaign issue. Soon I'll be able to marry my sister or my cat, seeing as men can marry men and women can marry women and nobody bats an eyelid. There are women who use abortion as a form of birth control, it's acceptable for a 16yo to be unmarried yet have two children by different fathers and nobody dare say otherwise... There are women who go to the supermarket IN THEIR PYJAMAS. I could go on.
ThenFuckit stated: source post
Yes, western culture is better. I am quite sure. Not just radical islam is disgusting. Islam is disgusting. Moderate muslims are worse then moderate christians in a western civilizations, culturally wise.I prefer gay pride parades, trans-racial people, otherkin, dog fuckers and fucking crazy SJW over the insanity, barbarism and savagery of Islamic culture. Because gay pride parades, trans-racial people, otherkin, dog fuckers and fucking crazy SJW wont kill you. And you can easily fight them as a result.
Look I am not smartypants or philosophical but I had a drink and Cadaver made me listen to some fancy music, and I thought a bit about this. I think we're faced with a void of values within society. Religion kinda gave people some guidelines for living their lives that felt more meaningful and important, you know. They transcended just the simple fear of getting caught by the police, there was a deeper motivation in people to stick to values. I dunno. All over the world, people naturally found and had some faith/religion to believe in for millennia.
Then religion got replaced with ideology. We've seen those enlightenment freemasonry values (liberty, equality, fraternity) that shaped the beginnings of modern civilization, and I believe during that time changing the world so massively was possible because some people truly believed in those values and inspired others to do so, above the desire to gain power and benefits for themselves.
After the west started losing its God and secularization became a thing, and nihilism started, Nietzsche, that stuff, modern people found themselves somewhat abruptly out of meaningful values.
It's why in absence of religion people show an affinity for ideologies as replacement. We got nationalism, communism, all those "currents" of thinking that people latch onto to build a system of values in place of the void. Then those were taken away and faded in the western world as well over the past decades. I think there is an undeniable sense of being bit adrift, lost, when people don't believe in anything that's not bigger than themselves. They grow more individualistic, selfish, shallow, materialistic. It's a lack of substance that faces one with one's own insignificance and meaninglessness, and I think this determines a crisis within the individual. People seem to need something to believe in to get out of that crisis. They are looking for smth to replace what they have lost.
I think islam is attracting people even from modern civilizations because it offers some values, something bigger than the shallowness and lack of meaning eating at today's society. I also believe this is why other ideologies tend to form as well nowadays, hence the rebirth of nationalism and all that stuff.
This is true and its why it seems there are so many emotional votes for the EU.
They believe in its ideology, they don't care what it really is.
There is nothing inherently wrong with nationalism. There is something wrong with racism, xenophobia, isolationism. But none of these are a must be with nationalism. The fact i have to explain this, shows the problem. I think that if people were more nationalistic, they will care more for themselves, their own people and their nation. And if they are educated, they will treat with respect other countries and expect them to be nationalistic as well.
It makes sense to care about yourself, your people and your country. People need each other. And its easier to untie when you are under something common. Only once people are untied within themselves are respect each other, then we can talk about a true union.
Lost my previous post...but try again: @ Inky re; imposing will of an organization.
That is the art of manipulation, persuasion. Choice . But that choice is being engineered, forced and essentially it's bullshit under the auspices of a 'democracy' which the EU and Western civilization still 'believes'. exists, but doesn't.
Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics
Sweden: est 77% of rapes committed by 2% Muslim male population – Crime statistics
It’s not only Germany that covers up mass sex attacks by migrant men... Sweden’s record is shameful
Stockholm police were warned not to give descriptions of the perpetrators lest they were accused of being racist
Zuckerberg on refugee crisis: 'Hate speech has no place on Facebook'
CODE OF CONDUCT ON COUNTERING ILLEGAL HATE SPEECH ONLINE
The EU is quite frankly a very poorly veiled lie. There are a few benefits, but not enough to make it worth while. Not when the loss of a culture is at stake and not with Islam as the replacement...lol...then there will be fuck all left.
There is nothing inherently wrong with nationalism. There is something wrong with racism, xenophobia, isolationism. But none of these are a must be with nationalism. The fact i have to explain this, shows the problem. I think that if people were more nationalistic, they will care more for themselves, their own people and their nation. And if they are educated, they will treat with respect other countries and expect them to be nationalistic as well.
It makes sense to care about yourself, your people and your country. People need each other. And its easier to untie when you are under something common. Only once people are untied within themselves are respect each other, then we can talk about a true union.
Respect is a two way street, and that encompasses the similarities as well as differences. It's the differences that make cultures unique and interesting.
The rape and crimes data are examples of disrespect to the host country theft and whatnot, is understandable...but not the rampant rape. That is another order of fucked up and very specific to Islam.
EU is selling the $$$ aspect, as some great deal for Europeans....but at what cost? That is a such a long/short term bad deal. How they can be so stupid is beyond me.
I prefer the nut job otherkins/ SJW dipshits and wondertards, to the current Islamic infestation any day of the week.. The funny thing is, the EU is using SJW tactics..lol..
moonshine stated: source post
- '99 to '04. Topped cca. '05, then a slight decline, then again an increase culminating in last year's record of 650k. With the c:b ratio on the steady cost-increase post-'08.
This smells bad. Maybe it was pulled out of your ass? I see no believable sources.
The indirect cost (shared decline of living standards) notwithstanding. (Like the time wasted in traffic gridlock / supermarket queue / doctor's appt. / etc. etc. etc., all the trimmings of overpopulation.)
This has to be the single most bitchiest thing I've ever read on this site. And this is quite an accomplishment.
Defiance, what you've said in that post is along the lines of what I've been hearing from my own sources. Definitely not the "most tolerant society in the world" picture wooster tried to paint.
you guys really do struggle to have a civilized conversation without stupid memes and hysterical exclamations that one can't possibly be this stupid. all it means is that you're small minded and ignorant. you find comfort in those who think in a similarly rigid way and cannot even fathom why someone would disagree with you.
you're like a cross between a 5 yo brat and a grandad learning to use the computer for the first time.
Primal stated: source post
Political leverage = Pressure and Black Mail tactics....lmao..and if NOT it will not be 'equal' in how the EU rams it up your ass.
I'll just comment on this, since all the rest is subjective shit that I gave up trying to change.
Politics has always been about pressure and blackmail tactics, lmao. It will keep being so both within countries and between countries, both with or without the EU. You think there won't be any pressure on Bulgaria for example if it left the EU? Lmao. the Russians are breathing down their necks and can't wait to gain more influence. Wake up Primey and Meta. XD Getting out of the EU is not freedom to do whatever the fuck you want. You will still be faced with pressure, tough negotiations, the ambitions of others.
ThenFuckit stated: source post
no organisation should impose its will on another countries government.
The leaders of the EU have been very clear they'd prefer the UK to hurry up and leave already. Why the fuck are you posting this. You keep posting isolated examples believing they can support your theories, when they are just that: isolated cherry-picked examples you use to confirm your own biased theories.
they have no interest in the country's well being or the people in it, they are interested in their own well being and their own power. they have no principles to be helpful or to create a real union.
Who are they? You sound like Tony and his conspiracy theories about the Illuminatti reptilians now.
Again with dumb cherry picking in this post:
ThenFuckit stated: source post
Lets see at the people who voted to remain in the EU, the young people, those with education, those that voted from reason and not from emotion:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/brexit-referendum-voters-survey
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Here are some videos:
This one is definitely not saying voting to leave is racist:
And lets see this calm and rational individual:
For every one of those videos I can show you a dozen more with leave voters who sound stupid as fuck. You can't make your point with random examples.
That guy in one of the videos you posted said voting to leave "will authorize racism" and after the vote hate crime rate soared ("On Tuesday, a new report published by the British media cited the UK Metropolitan Police, aka Scotland Yard, as saying that the number of hate crimes in London has sharply risen by more than 50 percent since the Brexit vote, with an average of 67 incidents of hate crimes reported every day"). Defiance just said how people feel more entitled to be hostile now to you on the streets for being a foreigner. How was that guy wrong? Do you think this sort of attitude is civilized and worthy of encouragement? It may be your Bulgarian relatives getting this sort of attention there Meta. Do you think that it's rational, that they deserve it?
ThenFuckit stated: source post
There is nothing inherently wrong with nationalism. There is something wrong with racism, xenophobia, isolationism. But none of these are a must be with nationalism. The fact i have to explain this, shows the problem.
There's nothing logical that says people born in a certain place deserve more than people born elsewhere. People not born in your country, who come there, work, contribute, are part of your nation. It makes no sense to target immigrants in any negative way, just for being immigrants. The Leave campaign targeted migration, as do other "nationalistic" movements in various countries.
So many countries are melting pots right now Meta. Maybe Bulgaria less so, which has you believing nationalism as a doctrine is smth worth following. But in countries where people from all over the world have mixed, origins aren't that important anymore. Universities are melting posts of foreigners, football teams the same, companies, you name it. Working together to achieve good results is what matters.
Primal stated: source post
The rape and crimes data are examples of disrespect to the host country theft and whatnot, is understandable...but not the rampant rape. That is another order of fucked up and very specific to Islam.EU is selling the $$$ aspect, as some great deal for Europeans....but at what cost? That is a such a long/short term bad deal. How they can be so stupid is beyond me.
First off, it's not just the money aspect. For those of us living in the more developed countries it's not that apparent though, since we are already used to certain standards. However in countries like Bulgaria even (Romania, etc) after joining the EU, people were pushed to align to better western quality standards. Hell some of those countries didn't even have a proper quality check of the food they put in the markets. Having to respect European standards in products, services, education, health care, infrastructure raised their societies a lot. I know this personally because the change was obvious and apparent to me from visiting some of those countries before and after joining the EU. They have developed and grown as societies.
Secondly, the economic aspects of a country are the most important imo. If the economy is healthy and prosperous, if people get money in their pockets and can afford better education, better access to services, products, etc, it doesn't make sense to me to throw all that away because you don't want your kid to have a somali classmate.
That's not just politics Edvard lolol.
Yeah i am sure Russia sends direct messages to all representatives of a country to not approve something passed via a democratic method.
This never happens in normal situations lol. Especially when people pretend the EU is democratic.
They want to pressure the UK, they don't want them to actually leave, please Edvard don't be so superficial.
Who are they? The politicians who work for the EU are they Edvard. They are not held responsible, because there is no system in place to hold them responsible for any of their actions.
The fact someone doesn't have a degree doesn't make them stupid. Those people i linked probably have a bachelor degree or are about to have one. Also, half of 18-24 years old cried, dude, thats crazy. They actually cried! This is emotional investment to the maximum.
So voting leave is racist. Got it. "Correlation does not imply causation". They were already racist... no one goes racist over night lol. They just feel more motivated. If anyone takes this seriously as somehow related to the Brexit, they are not thinking straight. One reason there was so much cover up in Germany when it comes to immigrant rapes, was because it makes it look like the right wing are right and motivates them and gives them power.
"There's nothing logical that says people born in a certain place deserve more than people born elsewhere. "
Never said that. Please find where i said that. This is you thinking this. Are you racist?
Never said anything about immigrants. This is you again.
The "Leave" campaign might be right. Immigration is a separate issue then nationalism. I do not know how immigrants are in the UK. Do you?
We have achieved the great result where no one cares about anything. Bravo. Even i do not care. But i have to, as i live here and i need to contribute back somehow. We have achieved the great result where the common core is installed in education. We have achieve the great result where white men are taught to hate themselves in universities. We have achieved the great result where an authoritarian 'union' is actually being discussed to exist, instead of obviously being left. We have achieved the great result where the media can slander anyone, cover up anything and get away with it, because no one cares.
Of course there are benefits. But i think there are clearly a lot more negatives. I do not understand why would you tolerate an authority that has power over you, but you have no power over it at all. That makes the authority not care about you. You can't have blind faith...
Look, any link i ever post is as i come across it. I am too lazy to go and search this for you after the fact.
