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moonshine stated: source post

You seen jackshyte of what's happening.  Unlike those of us who are actually in the country.  So STFU.

And what is it that you see exactly? Most of mainstream media (all Murdoch-owned papers plus other widely-read tabloids) were in favour of Brexit. How were the Leave campaign censored? Can you point to specific examples of this censorship? 

 Edvard stated: source post 

 Why try to dress it up as being about race, religion or nation then, when you can just be honest about it and admit it's about skills and qualification?

Lest you still haven't figured out,  place of origin (ethnicity,  religion, culture) and skills / qualifications are interconnected.  Very closely. 

Even by the UN’s (!!) own admittance, well  over 70% of the MENA migrants are functionally illiterate even in their own language  (let alone the host countries’).  Cue Germany’s approved 100-million-€ migrant-education budget only to bring them up to basic literacy (like,  lower primary school level).  And that’s only the education - a tiny fraction of the cumulative cost.   And for a large extent 'education' is completely missing the point - remember that medical study about the longterm genetic effects of co-sanguinity  posted before?)

Would you care to provide some stats from reliable sources to back that up? From what I've heard of the more recent arrivals, they pay upwards of 6,000EURpp to get across the Med, meaning it's those who have access to resources, who do generally tend to be better educated, who are able to leave their countries. If you had to suddenly leave the country, would you have the means to pay that much to get out? I've met and heard of people here working as cleaners, factory workers etc who in their previous country were engineers, teachers, civil servants etc. And surely they do make better employees than the local scumbags who moan about having no money but don't get up off their arse and do smth about it. Ofc there's gonna be a few bad 'uns in there, but generally speaking the cost of getting here and the hazardous journey means you're getting able-bodied and resourceful young people, the vast majority of whom, in my experience, are more hard-working than the native population. Given Germany's demographic time-bomb: http://uk.businessinsider.com/europes-economic-powerhouse-faces-a-demographic-timebomb-2014-12 (and yes there are more in-depth and academic sources that will back that up than that article i quickly managed to find) this could be necessary for the German economy. The only reason for you to feel personally threatened by that is if you want a job cleaning my house, cos I'm quite happy to have a former Eritrean TV producer do that.

 

Edvard stated: source post   

Many people I hear in the UK make no distinction between the migrants from war ridden countries and those from the EU.

Except they do.  They very much make distinction, not that the media will let you know that.  

Do they? What part of the UK do you even live? I'm from a well-known city that is technically part of the UK and get told to 'go home' all the time. When I do tell people where I'm from, most haven't even heard of it or didn't know it was part of the UK. Before the Scottish referendum I spoke to quite a few people who didn't realise Scotland was part of the UK in the first place. A large portion of the local population are very badly educated.

EU- and third-world migration are altogether different animals in terms of impact, magnitude & future repercussions - even the last halfwit in the UK knows that too well.  

Clearly not the people attacking Polish churches etc. And how exactly will leaving the EU reduce third world migrants? If the French, as is quite within their right, move the border from Calais to Dover they will have a massive problem. It seems to me that a large section of immigrants to the UK are Pakis, Bengs and Indians coming through the Commonwealth, how will leaving the EU help with that? Should Britain disband the Commonwealth? 

If they held a second referendum,  even much more people would vote for Leave.   Masses changed their mind as a result of the ‘remain’ camp’s  behaviour for the past week.   Even more by the EU’s nasty little surprises rolled out post referendum.

You're really out of the loop, aren't you?

Once the full economic impact becomes clear, as it is doing already with credit being downgraded, govt bonds plummeting in value, universities downgraded, investors pulling out, European funding being lost for some poor areas, many will change will and have already changed their minds about voting leave. 

There are two base types buying into the marxist (socialist, 'leftist', globalist, “humanitarianist”) hogwash:

1. Those who profit from it (investors and their various employees), and

2. The braindead ideologues who actually fall for it. 

And there’s of course a cross-section of the two, of varying degrees.  To borrow an SJW buzzword,  it’s  an intersekshunal malaise of greed and idiocy. ( < both of epic proportions)

OK, i have to ask... what does the EU have to do with socialism? How is it socialist or communist? Are you sure you really understand what those words mean? You've even accused me of being a socialist... what exactly was it when, reading my posts and struggling to think of a word that described my political beliefs, you arrived at 'socialist'? It's like a nine-year-old screaming 'sluuuut' at a girl she doesn't like, without having any clue as to the meaning of the word XD

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ThenFuckit stated: source post 

Merkel

Not that i want to deflect the blame from the mutti,  but if not her then there would’ve been countless others.   She’s only the  punchbag face fronting the project. 

Do you think she secretly hates Germany, and is part of some secret conspiracy to destroy it? Maybe she meets once a month in the basement of a Freemasons' lodge with the other Illuminati Jewish lizard people where they rip off their skins, drink the blood of a newly slaughtered child and chat about their plot to fuck up Europe just for the craic? You should seek out their lair and destroy them! 

Seriously, why do you think there are some shady people wanting to destroy their own countries? What purpose would it serve and what would they gain from it? This is veering into batshit conspiracy theory territory. 

Lord Lloyd Webber (who I have difficulty taking seriously as a politician, but whatever) made a really good speech in the House of Lords yesterday (probably available online somewhere) about how Putin is loving the migrant crisis because it is causing Europe to turn on itself, and he can grab power for himself in Eastern Europe while European countries are occupied dealing with this. He even put forward the theory that Russian forces are deliberately bombing civilian areas in order to make the migrant crisis worse. I'm not sure I buy that completely, but agree with the principle. If Europe is such a failure, why would Putin want to destroy it? 

  1. "Things like this have me convinced you've never properly interacted with a regular muslim in your life."

 

Not that i’m talking on TFI’s behalf, but on behalf of my own muslim / ex-muslim friends / acquaintances.  They are the ones who loath,  fear and abhor the most this current invasion.   They fled to the ‘west’  to escape Islam and what it entails.   

Some of my ex-muslim friends dislike Islam as well, but I know plenty more who are culturally 'muslim' but thoroughly western in their attitudes. My facebook feed is full of nice family pics wishing everyone a happy Eid mubarak coming from people who I know go crazy on a weekend, drinking etc. Many, particularly second and third generation, see no conflict in being proud of their origins but thoroughly modern and western in attitudes and lifestyle. I would describe myself as a Catholic, and proudly so because I'm proud of the community which i come from, but probably won't attend Mass again in my life. It's not an all-or-nothing situation.

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Edvard stated: source post  

I have access to the media in your country.

Undoubtedly, you sure can access  all the approved channels (like the Graun and the (fully bankrupt) Indy).  

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/29/daily-mail-articles-blocked-in-sweden-over-migrant-stabbing-court-case/  ( < he turned out to be 22+, but 'age-testing' is apparently too waycisst for swedish sensitivities)

What's the difference between 'approved' media and 'unapproved'? If I click on the link are the security services gonna turn up at my house XD

All media has bias to some extent, it's unavoidable. That website you linked has significant bias towards the extreme right, anti-immigration etc. You can tell by the issues they choose to focus on, language used etc. Have you ever been taught to critically analyse sources? Or, better yet, have you tried just watching parliamentary debates, speeches etc without any media at all telling you what to think?

I flick thru the Guardian every day before breakfast.  When even  their own loyal readership is rejecting the BS that should give you a pause, ed.  

 

Try some  independent agenda-free strictly financial institutes next time. 

Good lord, you must be the person keeping it in circulation. Haven't seen anyone read the Guardian in years. How would one come across a completely agenda-free source? As I say, all media has some sort of bias. You need to look for yourself at the debates, speeches etc that politicians are actually making, read the reports rather than reports of reports to get a clear picture. I do find reading from a variety of different sources to get different perspectives, as well as mainstream media from different countries (commentary in Le Monde, El Pais etc). If you get all your news from either extreme left and extreme right wing sources you must be building a thoroughly bizarre picture of how the world really is. Actually, better yet, go out and talk to real people. It sounds like you don't have a good grasp of how things are in a lot of areas of the UK, so you should make that your starting point. 

 

Edvard stated: source post 

Wow. Lmao, you must really hate London's Chinatown. 

“Chinatowns” are  a  legacy of the Victorian era,   fully integrated and much cherished part of Western heritage. 

How long does something have to be in the country before it becomes a 'cherished part of Western heritage'? I'm sure people in the Victorian era (which in the course of history wasn't that long ago) weren't too happy about the arrivals from China either. The integrated over time.

 

Brits are pretty much the most inclusive, tolerant and polite society you’ll ever find on the planet.

speechless

 

And you think that has nothing to do with the "minority quotas",  from university admission to employment.  Hell, even nursing school enrolment. 

It's not that there's not enough  british medical professionals / potential students.

Are you saying that British medical institutions have quotas for the amount of foreigners they have to hire? Care to find evidence to back that up. I can well believe that there are not enough natives who got the grades to be medical professionals. 

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Are you saying that you disagree with the declaration of human rights in principle, or just that you think it is implemented unfairly? I'm replying to the post where you go through the Declaration of Human Rights point-by-point, which was way too long to quote, and you don't seem to be making any arguments that you disagree with the principles behind it, just the way it is being implemented.

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Edvard stated: source post

It's like asking people, "do you want to have your fences painted green?" and 48% say they do, while 52% say they don't. Among the 52% some want blue, some want red, some want black, some want yellow, etc, and in the end everyone gets purple fences. 

This is a damn good point. I voted Brexit for very different reasons than, say, Moonshine did. And talk to people who voted, on both sides, and you'll get a whole list of reasons, lots of stuff not even related to the EU. Think my county voted slightly in favour of Brexit, or might have been slightly in favour of Remain but not by much. But asking around you get a whole range of opinions, from "I don't want this gay marriage shite that goes on in Europe" (bless his heart) to "They're trying to tell me the way I keep my cows doesn't meet the European safety standards, but I need to sell my milk" nods in sympathy whilst discreetly pouring cup of tea into nearest plant pot.

It became almost a referendum on the status quo rather than the EU specifically, since the issues involved were so vague and nuanced. And ofc people are dissatisfied with the status quo, when are they not, but leaving the EU isn't going to solve half the problems they think it's going to because most of them have nothing to do with the EU. This works both ways too - i'm sure the broken-hearted middle class teenagers crying about not being able to study abroad will have some other options, some deal will be worked out. Most people here voted in their own perceived self-interest, because politics is just a real life game of thrones with a cast a whole lot less goodlooking or charismatic, and unlike people here i don't think many ordinary people get that hysterical or upset over it or take it seriously at all. Life will go on, some will get poorer, some will get richer. 

On an unrelated note, can anyone explain what Kumbaya actually means? I've seen in mentioned a lot in this thread and heard it's a hymn they have to sing in assemblies in Protestant primary schools...is it about the EU?? I have a feeling googling this stuff will lead down long, dark roads towards lizard people, 9/11 and Princess Diana. 

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 I have a feeling

 

...lol...less of that and more thinking is in order..

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Defiance stated: source post

ThenFuckit stated: source post 

Merkel

Not that i want to deflect the blame from the mutti,  but if not her then there would’ve been countless others.   She’s only the  punchbag face fronting the project. 

Do you think she secretly hates Germany

bitch please.

this entire thing is also logically deducible, i had foreseen it years ago while studying history. but back then i thought of it only as a possibility that was interesting wasn't sure its true, because i didn't know people well.

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thats how it should work, people think this will solve their issue and the majority are supposed to be usually right.

many list of reasons to vote, but the one or more reason that the majority of people have is probably going to be solved.

 

anyway, the real reason the EU should be left, is because of its past, present and future. i don't feel like explaining

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ThenFuckit stated: source post

 

anyway, the real reason the EU should be left, is because of its past, present and future. i don't feel like explaining

It's been explained 1001 times, makes no difference, the present was the future of the past and history only repeats itself with different players and layers of crazy...lol....and new technology...

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here is another guy stating the conclusions and the results:

 

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Nice one^^^ Putin with the velvet coated gauntlet:

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