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Forget it Eddie, You hoop yourself on Article 12

Re; Immigrant Data. I am correct. I know that, and so do you. You want more recent data? your argument will tank even faster.  Your turn...you find something of equal potential validity and objectivity...see what you find ...

Despite the piss poor attempt to derail the argument into the $$$, it is fundamentally NOT about $$,...and you fail to realize that. 

Germans Do NOT want it 

They do NOT want it. The EU bs is being FORCED against the will of the people. WTF is that? 

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"Hate speech is a form of bullying. Shit like writing on the walls of schools "go home polish scum" is a form of bullying, it is not a right of free speech. Why the fuck would I be supporting the "right" some people believe they have to bully others? Boo fucking hoo Primey can't hate on people for invalid reasons and babies can't be named Adolf Hitler. Life is so fucking unfair."

If you can classify hate speech as separate from an opinion in a way that can't be exploited i agree.
Also, why is it classified as hate speech, instead of as bullying? That's stupid and its exploitable.

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Eddie needs to drink more. Then, maybe, just maybe, someday  he might happen upon the sudden realisation that he's "endowed with"  his own individual nervous system and all the entailing possibilities ('intellect'?), by virtue of having been born into a certain species.  (Not that i'm holding my breath, indoctrination runs deep.)   

 

 

I truly wish time had more fractal pockets so i could expand at leisure,  links quotes explanations & whatnot.  

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Primal stated: source post

-  '99 to '04.  Topped  cca. '05, then a slight decline, then again an increase culminating in last year's  record of 650k.  With the c:b ratio on the steady cost-increase  post-'08. 

 

And that's only the direct calculus.  The indirect cost (shared decline of living standards) notwithstanding.  (Like the time wasted in traffic gridlock / supermarket queue / doctor's appt. / etc. etc. etc., all the trimmings of overpopulation.  England is already one of the most overpopulated places on the planet.)

 

 

Primal stated: source post  

How those numbers are calculated is another debate unto itself....the numbers can be made to tell various stories, depending who wants to shove one way or the other. So..

 

That's the subject of political economics studies  (yep, that's a PhD-warranted subject unto its own).   The PR interpretation / presentation of the  numbers churned out by the statistician branch of economic studies. 

A bit like borderlines versus schizoids over there on psychforums dot com.  

 

Haven't read the rest yet - hopefully soon.

 

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Edvard stated: source post

Defiance, do you feel the climate has changed in the UK for non-brits after the Brexit vote?

It has brought things to the surface, but those things were there to begin with. I suppose if you overturn a rock in the woods, slimy things will crawl out. People have I guess been given the courage to say what they think, but to me it doesn't make a whole lot of difference since they were already thinking those things anyway.

In London, life seems to go on as usual, but London is very much a global city and not representative of the whole of the UK. In the north, the few days I spent there after the result, I was told to go home twice. Both were elderly and lacking teeth. But it's difficult to tell if that's due to the vote or not - i've had other incidents like that before. Once, about six months ago, I was walking down the street when a woman in a car stuck in traffic wound down her window, shouted out to me and started telling me how i'd be happier in my own country, blah blah.. She was so shocked when she heard me speak, the look on her face was priceless. She wound up her window and sank dead low in her seat like she wanted it to swallow her XD She'd just assumed I was Eastern European based on what I looked like - not overweight and dressed in nice clothes, different to 99% of the local women. It's actually kinda sad.

Many places in the north are desperately poor. Not necessarily in terms of income - the feckless scroungers all seem to have the latest phones and they manage to keep Burger King in business. But in terms of education, culture, values, work ethic, hope for the future... Friends who run or work in businesses tell of, despite the unemployment, having to hire from Eastern Europe because they just can't get the staff - the Brits don't turn up for work, they're late, lazy, don't know how to speak to customers etc.

This is just my subjective impression, and I'm sorry if it offends anyone, and I know it is perhaps not representative of the whole of the UK, but these people don't clean their houses properly, probably don't clean themselves properly, have no idea how to cook or eat properly. I've come across people who genuinely seem to struggle to hold a basic conversation in their own language. 

It's not just that they don't like foreigners - they don't like anyone who isn't from within a 5km radius of where they grew up. I can drop my accent like a pro, done it since childhood. In this place I was in in the north however I realised that I was actually getting MORE abuse for having a 'southern' accent. A taxi driver told me he had a 'no southerners' policy. I laughed, thinking he was joking, and got in the car anyway. He got angry and threatened to call the police, I thought at one point he was going to attack me! 

Wish I knew what caused it - is it a failure of upbringing, culture, the education system, even genetics? Many point to the idea that the traditional industries - factories, shipbuilding etc - went some time ago and there are now a couple of generations that have never worked. I guess there's something in that, although I have precisely zero sympathy for them... If there's no work in your area, then move your arse and go look for it somewhere else! Probably what these migrants have done. 

Failure to address the problem of the underclass is one of the many things coming back to bite the UK in the arse, and will no doubt be part of its undoing. I guess they've always had a stratified class system in the way that many other countries either never had or abandoned long ago. Not that I feel any sympathy for this underclass, for they are the very definition of scum. Although maybe it is a testament to social mobility in a weird way - when everybody with any get up and go has got up and gone, this is what's left. I do think the welfare state has a lot to answer for in that regard - it infantilises people, and gives them not just a safety net but a cushion that's so comfortable they have no motivation to get up off it. Maybe it's even a product of what happens when you interfere with Darwinism - those who in previous generations would have been cannon fodder, victims of starvation or disease etc are now surviving to adulthood, thriving under the welfare state and breeding like rabbits. 

There is much more I could say on this and other posts in this thread I'd like to reply to, but it's late so I will leave it there for now and perhaps return when I have the time/patience. 

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moonshine stated: source post

Eddie needs to drink more. Then, maybe, just maybe, someday  he might happen upon the sudden realisation that he's "endowed with"  his own individual nervous system and all the entailing possibilities ('intellect'?), by virtue of having been born into a certain species.  (Not that i'm holding my breath, indoctrination runs deep.)   

 

 

I truly wish time had more fractal pockets so i could expand at leisure,  links quotes explanations & whatnot.  

IF drinking were able to cure that...lol....his choice in drinking buddies seems to be a large part of the problem. 

Noticed his distinct inability to take on any information and use it. It's merely a broken record of :

#1. Kumbaya

#2. The 'Great brains' and specialists are smarter than he is. 

Kudos for #2. It is fair to recognize your own limitations and foolish not to, but in some cases, it simply does not add up, no matter how 'smart' they are or claim to be.

It's as though he remains singularly incapable of holding more than one thought in his head at the same  time, seriously....it is really strange, either it is deliberate or he really is only capable of rote spew . Beginning to doubt it is deliberate...scary...as that must be a weird way to experience existence. (..lol...but given the location from where his head was/ is buried, it's not a surprise )

From the consilium;

In autumn 2016, the Commission will make a proposal drawing on the experience with existing investment programmes at EU level (such as the European Investment Bank-managed investment facility for African, Caribbean and Pacific countries, the "blending" investment facilities managed by the Commission and the external lending activities of the European Investment Bank). Ensuring complementarity and co-operation with the work of the European Investment Bank, European bilateral and other International Financial Institutions, and donors in the target region will be a key element of this approach in order to ensure maximised results and impact. This proposal will set out details of a new Fund for external investment that would combine existing Blending facilities (such as the Africa Investment Facility and the Neighbourhood Investment Facility, NIF) to constitute Regional Investment Platforms that could further leverage additional funds from Member States and other donors33. This would improve effectiveness and impact, maximise synergies, and attract private and institutional investors. This would also allow the expansion of innovative financing in those fragile and post-conflict countries which are often important for migration flows but where the potential for direct private or public investment is currently limited.  

The Fund for external investments will leverage resources for investment in economic and social infrastructure, and the private sector including micro and Small-and-Medium-sized Enterprises. The new Fund would start with activities in Africa as well as the EU Neighbourhood (South and East) to support the priorities of the new Partnership Framework with the objective of being extended to other regions at a later stage. The Fund would offer credit enhancement, risk sharing, investment grants and technical assistance based on a guarantee and funding from the EDF/EU budget and other contributors in line with their respective financial regulations. To this end, the Commission will make available a total of EUR 3.1 billion until 2020: This will consist of EUR 2 billion from the EDF, of which EUR 1.6 billion from the African Investment Facility and an additional EUR 0.4 billion from EDF envelopes. Moreover, EUR 0.94 billion from the NIF and EUR 0.16 billion from the Development Cooperation Instrument will be mobilised.

This total sum of EUR 3.1 billion is expected to trigger additional public and private investment volumes, mobilising total investments of up to EUR 31 billion. In order to enhance further the firepower and the efficiency of the new Fund, the Commission calls on Member States and other partners to match these total EU contributions, thus potentially bringing the total amount of additional investment close to EUR 62 billion.

LOL...pouring good money after bad...

This entire consilium reads as a  desperate and poorly thought out sales pitch. A really bad example of a bandaid solution to a problem that was self inflicted. 

The European Investment Bank will continue to play a key role, in Africa, Neighbourhood countries and other external regions. In particular, the European Investment Bank manages the ACP Investment Facility and finances infrastructure and private sector development in Africa. Earlier this year, the European Council invited the European Investment Bank to present an initiative in June that would rapidly mobilise additional financing in support of sustainable growth, vital infrastructure and social cohesion in Southern Neighbourhood and Western Balkans countries. To this effect, the European Investment Bank is working on a proposal for a package that could mobilise substantial additional financing over the next five years in the targeted countries.

Mmhmmm..in Balkans there is positive effect....but Africa same old mess. So, at what point do you suppose they figure out it is a waste of time and money? Those 'poor' African countries are rich with resources...but the governments gouge their own people ( don't forget the ethnic and religious crazies are rampant there ..lol.). The silliness of Europe is that they do not want to lose cheap trade partners, so that is their problem, and economic sanctions are ever short term, as another is found as always has been the case. So...same old problem repeats...

 

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More from the Consilium sales pitch

Delivering the compacts:

Effective multilateralism Delivering the compacts can be further facilitated by strong and effective multilateral partnerships. Migration is a global phenomenon which requires a coordinated international response. Over the past year, cooperation has intensified with international organisations, such as the United Nations and particularly the UN High Commissioner for Refugees and International Organisation for Migration, as well as with partner countries within the G7 and G20. UN initiatives on issues such as global responsibility-sharing for Syrian refugees34 and the first ever World Humanitarian Summit in May 2016 have put the spotlight on the shared responsibility of the international community. The UN General Assembly Summit on Large Movements of Refugees and Migrants in September 2016 represents a unique opportunity to secure concrete commitments from all participants. The EU fully supports UN-led efforts to reinforce the long-term capacity and effectiveness of the international system to deal with the movement of refugees and migrants in a spirit of burden sharing and solidarity. While the EU has a duty to contribute its share in helping displaced persons in clear need of international protection, the resettlement of refugees, in particular of persons displaced by the Syrian conflict, is a joint responsibility of the international community.

 

LMAO...That is just BAD...lol..

#1. No , it is not a global responsibility. Sorry buddy, that is a seriously over played refrain for this piece of hogwash. 

#2. This unique DESPERATION of the EU is self inflicted...lol...and this is the EU trying to shove off the shit of its error onto new partners...that is just so fucking hilarious!!! Adults actually wrote this shit? 

#3. The EU has a duty to shut the fuck up, and clean up it's own mess. And they don't want to should the responsibility for their error and pretend it's not an error..lol...and shove the mess and expense off onto new partners who would have to be utter idiots to go for that idea. 

The EU's international partners need to assume their share of responsibility. The EU should use the political leverage at its disposal to garner stronger support from its partners in forging a more equitable system of resettlement. The EU should support the establishment of a UN-supported global resettlement scheme to enable their rapid and efficient resettlement to safe countries. All countries should be invited to participate in such a scheme in line with the principles of responsibility sharing and solidarity. As the world's largest development donor and humanitarian donor, the EU jointly with Member States should be fully engaged in any discussion on the global institutional and legal framework for migration management.

LOL....

Political leverage = Pressure and Black Mail tactics....lmao..and if NOT it will not be 'equal' in how the EU rams it up your ass. This is really a tragic comedy of refusal to accept the responsibility for the EU fuck up. Brexit decided it was enough and bailed...stupid leading stupid into a bigger mess with only 'dreams' and maybes to lead the way?? ....LMAO.....no thanks. 

This makes for great cannon fodder....bloody hell. People need to learn to read again it seems...but there are many that are pissed off already ...and this sort of thing only adds fuel to the fire...and it spreads without much help on its own. 

Now...the money trail....lol....ya see, Eddie?....no...no, you don't. 

Catch 22. LMAO...

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it's sad that you guys are almost hysterical over someone else' view differing from your own.

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 I would like to point out that at the Brexit there was one of the highest % voter turnout in recent years of the UK(72%).

Its a much bigger will of the people, then anything else voted on...

 

http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm

 

edit:

https://twitter.com/HenrySmithMP/status/749926932683362304

no no the EU is not trying to impose its will, yet again

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ThenFuckit stated: source post

no no the EU is not trying to impose its will, yet again

The EU, like all other organizations, tries to impose their will. What's strange about that?

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