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Edvard stated: source post

I have so many counter examples for the stuff said there. How is appearance entirely programmed from birth? What about tattoos, accidents and scars? Sun exposure, workout, food, all influence that. How is a skill like being the fastest runner programmed from birth? Does this guy think training is unnecessary. "We are programmed from birth to act a certain way" and there's pictures of islamic religious worshipping XD Now religion is programmed from birth? Are our genes responsible for Jesus and Mohammed too.  The entire video ignores environment influence and social construct, it's ridiculous.

I agree that the video is shit. It just fails to explain what it means...
But if you can map the pattern of a brain from birth, then see all the variables in the universe, then calculate all the things that these variables will do, you could calculate when a person will get a tattoo from his birth.

Say you can see the genes of his mother and father and you can see how the molecules interact. You can then calculate how the genes will form, as you can calculate how the molecules will move into place to form the gene. From this you can calculate that this person say has a small birth defect. Then you can see the mother and father live in a rich region. But you can see that the banks are failing, so you can calculate that by the time the kid goes to high school, the region will be poor. Then you can calculate how this will effect the population negatively and that the kids will be mean. So this means they will be mean to the kid with the birth defect, because of this defect. Then you calculate how this kid grows up and has a GF, but she leaves him in a bad manner. You can calculate this, because you can calculate the life of his GF the same way you do with him. And this leave will make him frustrated and he will get a tattoo on his birth defect to hide it.
Honestly i skipped like pages of explanation of all the details you can calculate if you simply know the mathematical variables required.

But i think quantum physics could show that a soul is a real thing, or it could be just another form of energy. However until we know, its not valid to make assumptions that you can calculate everything, because we have a missing variable. I would have to correct one of my statements earlier thought, its possible for a super ai to be impossible, if quantum shit is explained as something only humans/living creatures posses somehow and it can't be replicated by other things somehow. I fail to even imagine such an explanation, but i don't know.

qualia is what you experience. i.e. the senses you feel, your emotions, etc.

you dont know if others have qualia because you dont experience them. but we assume other humans do.

So how do you call what other things experience?

A word thats not qualia?

Lets name it ailauq.
In this case a rock has ailauq.

And if the rock could talk, it would tell you its qualia is its ailauq.

i'm talking about whether other things have qualia (can experience at all). i think other humans can experience stuff because they're similar to me. same with animals. im not sure about plants or robots.

This video perfectly sums up my thoughts on the question:

I have so many counter examples for the stuff said there. How is appearance entirely programmed from birth? What about tattoos, accidents and scars? Sun exposure, workout, food, all influence that. How is a skill like being the fastest runner programmed from birth? Does this guy think training is unnecessary. "We are programmed from birth to act a certain way" and there's pictures of islamic religious worshipping XD Now religion is programmed from birth? Are our genes responsible for Jesus and Mohammed too.  The entire video ignores environment influence and social construct, it's ridiculous.

This is why its abstract and subjective and i do not understand how that relates to creating AI's.

Maybe an AI can have it, or maybe it can't, just like another human could or not, or another animal, or plant, or rock, etc.

As for the experiment, there are two of importance: the double-slit experiment and the quantum delayed choice experiment.  Google those.  They are well-known and well-vetted with very interesting implications.  What it boils down to is reality is information.  However, if we go down this path of discussion, we'll probably slip farther afield of the original subject matter and might need its own thread.

EDIT:  My original replies posted in this thread are actually to do with quantum physics and consciousness, which will sum up most of what we can really say about the whole subject.  I could certainly throw in stuff from Stephen Wolfram and the computational universe and Seth Lloyd's stuff...  There's a wealth of branching information to find just starting from there.  However, it will never be done justice by anyone disseminating and regurgitating it here.  (Including myself, which is why I offer links instead of explanations.)

its an easy question.

It's a matter of definition of machine

A thing to consider though, people that answered no in the past have kept changing their definition of machine.