I'm not sure if you're being disrespectful by not reading the post or if you legitimately don't understand it.
"You are all neglecting the energy component, the "soul", which is the most important thing."
Is an embarrassingly stupid thing to say.
Why, because I used the word soul? Call it what you like. There is an energetic component to us, brain circuits, brain waves, etc. Science didn't figure out all that shit, and I am not saying I have, just calling you out on bs when you say you have. You say everything can be programmed and predicted, but I think it's dumb. There is the uncertainty principle. There is chaos in the universe. If gas particle movement can't be predicted because it's chaotic, what makes you think behavior of particles in out brain can be controlled, determined, influenced to perfection?.
you could argue a rock has a perspective cos it breaks (output) when you smash it with a hammer (input).
if i assume a rock has no perspective, i could argue a robot has no perspective as well. since a robot, like most machines, is mechanically predetermined by the laws of physics just like the rock.
No i just know how things work in programming and i have made AI's myself(but super simple, so the thinking is very little) and i watch the news about AI's. And i have read about the subject.
Its inevitable. By the time you are an old man, you will probably see it. Then i will email you :P
Also this is completely irrelevant of deterministic universe stuff. This(super AI's) can happen in any universe, as they simulate life itself.
I do not believe in magic, sorry Ed. And if magic is explained by science, its no longer magic. And can be replicated by humans. Its literally impossible for this(super AI's) to be impossible, unless magic.
"if i assume a rock has no perspective, i could argue a robot has no perspective as well. since a robot, like most machines, is mechanically predetermined by the laws of physics just like the rock."
And so is a human.
Then yes, the rock has qualia, or however that's spelled.
Everything has it really.
A rock can experience a break differently, then another rock broken the same way.
If a rock could somehow use that information(that its broken), then it would be experiencing ofc. But is experiencing required for qualia?
WW3 stated: source post
what about
a rock
or a wind up toy
or a blender
or a computer
where do we draw the line? and how do we know if there is a line?
Where its logical. And its not logical to draw a line at all(unless perspectives, look below/).
Its just subjective perspective. Its abstract.
You could debate if something has a perspective at all however.
For a perspective, you need input(to form the perspective). So a rock has no perspective, as it has no input from the outside world. Because its a rock lol.
But a robot can have cameras, or other sensors.
If you make 2 robots see an image, you can define what RED is for them. But can you be sure that when the camera sees RED, it doesn't see GREEN but calls it RED? I am asking about what the camera sees, not what you see on the camera screen.
ThenFuckit stated: source post
Edvard stated: source post
Why, because I used the word soul? Call it what you like. There is an energetic component to us, brain circuits, brain waves, etc. Science didn't figure out all that shit, and I am not saying I have, just calling you out when you say you have. You say everything can be programmed and predicted, but I think it's dumb. There is the uncertainty principle. There is chaos in the universe. If gas particle movement can't be predicted because it's chaotic, what makes you think behavior of particles in out brain can be influenced to perfection?.
Waves are physical things that can be replicated.
Energy is a physical component that can be replicated.
A gas particle can be predicted if you know all the variables and it can be predicted exactly. Its just really hard to obtain this information using the current technology we have. However we can make an approximation of a group of particles and create simulations of that.
The only thing that has been observed and documented and researched by real science that shows something that can't be replicated by a machine right now, is quantum physics. But its totally possible that once we know enough, it could be replicated too.
There is a computer game which plays with the concepts of brain patterns. The game is in the future and science has managed to copy a brain pattern on a computer and upload it into machines. These machines think they are real people. Later in the game, you clone your own mind into another body and then there are 2 of you, exactly the same minds, but in different computers. This is because in this game science has manged to copy/paste the pure information, that a brain pattern is, into bits. Ofc its sci-fi, but its not pure fantasy, its sci-fi.
Brain waves, radio waves, light waves, micro waves, sound waves, all can be stored as bits. This is how sound works in computers.
A brain pattern would be much harder however, as its still too complex to identify.
Also the word Soul has no real meaning, its abstract, so yes it is stupid to use it at the current context.
I explained what I meant by soul. The extra things that makes us us, that's not chemicals.
I don't buy the deterministic universe shit personally, sounds forced to me and coming from wishful thinking control freaks. Seems to me cad's and your arguments are mostly hopeful thinking. "Sure, it's hard, but it will be done". Well do it, then call others stupid for being skeptics.