"One minute you're onto something, then it's ruined by that half baked bullshit text I put in bold"
Um... yeah.
That's why I dismissed the halfbaked bullshit as "not my thing."
Hint: "Not my thing" is a polite way of saying "pseudoscientific pastime of a bunch of deranged loonies."
I wasn't sure if you were one of those loonies. Good to know you're not.
:P
Pachuco stated: source post
doesnt all pain have a psychogenic component? how would you distinguish between something truely inorganic vs. for eg. when people describe physical pain at greif?
I reckon it does, but in this case the emotion is profoundly associated with a part of the body. After reading about it, on wiki they mentioned:
"Sufferers are often stigmatized, because both medical professionals and the general public tend to think that pain from psychological source is not "real". However, specialists consider that it is no less actual or hurtful than pain from other sources."
I actually laughed when I read that part, cause people never believed me. I recall writing about this aliment in here before once or twice, maybe a couple of years ago.
coz ive heard of the grief pain, but then i also know of psychogenic pain in response to a stimulus that reminds someone of something traumatic. one is arguabley "normal", the other is most likely disordered. and that being said, isnt the experience of pain purely psychological? i know the nerve feedback might be organic, but the actual experince is an individual, psychological phenomenon. which is why we can both get punched in the face with the same force and feel it differently
not actually sure what my question is other than, in a seinfeld voice, what's up with that?
I understand your question perfectly.
The pain itself is physical, and while active in my case, the muscle itself is conditioned. As I described, the knot in my back. It's really there. For a long time I used to suffer from the pain until I decided to see a chiropractor, and she found it. She was examining my spine and my back muscles and she pinpointed the ultra tense muscle, like a stone. I was like that's it right there ! It may sound a but sexual what she did, but the relief tells me how much we take sobriety for granted.
From that day I was able to treat it myself, though I still went in 3 days a week for therapy for awhile.
As mentioned in the other post, the experiments they've ran for psychogenic pain shows positive results.
Few years ago my ex and I were going to the beach. See I can tolerate people's bullshit, but the psychogenic component cannot, I can't remember what it is she said or did, but it tripped off the knot so hard I felt like I was having an anxiety attack in the car. She kept on talking, so I had to politely tell her I was having some kind of attack, and if she can please be silent. I know if I told her to shut the fuck up, a fight would have broken out and I'd either have to blow up in a violent rage or die. She never believed me when I told her this thing in my back reacts to negativity.
Maybe. The best therapy for me has always been just having meaningful conversations with intelligent people. And improving my life, like you have been. I don't think you need a therapist if you're willing to be open with others, and open to new ways of thinking.
It's next to the shoulder blade. The upper back between the blade and the spine. That said I can't even touch the spot with my own hands, which is why I have to lay down on something and squirm accordingly to treat it, or lean on edges or something strong and stable. It will be 10 years sometime this year.
I did mention twice that I went to a chiropractor before doing my own chiropractic methods. I was going in 3 days a week for some months.
Come to think of it, it's almost ironic how it's located in the 1 area I cannot reach.
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To add detail, I don't feel it now, but I can feel for it by stretching. the sensation would be like a ring of soreness with a hollow center that tingles with joints cracking.
When it's mild, it feels like I can use a nice bone crack in that area. There is an injury to insult, or if I can be angered, it gets violent it's like someone shoved a steak through my back and out my chest. If it had a reason, it would obviously be to contain my rage cause the only thing that matters, is losing the pain. Granted the pain is bad enough, no argument, no time to dwell on shit I'm more than obliged to let go of. Just breath and enjoy the release, then there is a barrier between myself and things that trigger this.
Last time I wrote about it in this community, I wrote how it disturbs me when trying to sleep apart from hitting me when I'm upset. The term "Don't lose any sleep over it" is wonderful.
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That lady has you looking around for unprovoked emotions. She is silly, and if you know that don't follow her, don't pay her.
It's like this.
Shyness: What you feel is butterflies in the stomach when nervous. No praying or chanting will quench that, and if you don't face whatever it is, you're prone to regret or what ifs. This is physical sensation by emotion.
Shame: You'll be bombarded with itches. could be in your armpits, could be the neck. If you tend to them on the spot, you'll look embarrassed. Be strong and resist the urge to scratch and focus on redeeming yourself. Physical sensation by emotion again.
Jealously: It's frustration's identical twin. Just exhale and don't breath in and it's similar to that, except there is also an adrenaline rush and you're on your own. It's presence is also out there somewhere. You can sense jealousy's exterior field in nature cause you'll be wondering, what now ?
Fear: is an interesting one. Aside from the rush, the feeling is more of knowing it is located in your upper body, not just your vital organs going into overdrive saying "look we're working fine" but you feel a presence as wide as you can stretch your arms. You sense it's there too, a profound awareness. What you're too busy to notice, are the goosebumps making your hairs stand. No one ever pays attention to the goosebumps. That too is a physical sensation driven. Yes the cold can cause it, but this time the chills are psychological.
Amazement: Well. Look at me, am I not so amazing, you feel the static shooting inward along the back and sides of your cranium and lower neck ? If not at least just a little bit ? If the sensation is merely a delusion, you at least know well enough where it would be located. All of that activity can give you cold feet though.
Joy: It's interesting that we're fond of this one, cause aside from the regular change in pulse, and I don't want to sound new age, this is actually ancient knowledge, but we actually feel it in others, as only others can deliver it. It's true, they are the suppliers of this. Sure if you win the lottery, you'll be astonishingly filled with joy, however that's still from someone else. You're getting other people's money, the same millions of people looking at you like hey !?, and someone had to run the lottery system. Your favorite version of you, is nothing without others, as it is with every emotion.
Sadness: The destruction of ego. We fight to maintain the ego, cause transformation is always filled with the despair losing. When forced to change the ego, we're sad. We lose someone, no more of them contributing to your making. Feel it in the throat, there's a ball logged in there. If that's not enough you'll cry, and if you cry, you'll have tears running down your face. When it's over the skin of your face will feel crusty. It's no more emotion than other emotions, but it's most physical, even without the water FX.
Depression: The crushing forces of gravity gets stronger as this emotion intensifies. It's obviously sadness too, but your not transforming, your coping and in need of transformation. All you need to do is find something to move onto. That is all. You'll feel tired, and low energy from this. It is physical regardless if you want to admit it or not. It gets better when you sleep in, which is one thing that makes this emotion debilitating. You'd think it's about you, but it's really about others, when you fish for them and treat them good, they come back and deliver. Treat us like shit, and one can be prone to trying to figure out why they are so alone and unhappy while it's happening.
Guilt: A disruption of morality for personal gain or shady agenda can deliver this. Like joy, we feel it in others but this time, for others. This one is not quite empathic, but it's fairly omnipresent as far as what concerns we have. Guilt is like shame plus joy, so calling it the negajoy will humorously make sense. It's the wrath of the conscience yet identical to depression except the reason is crystal clear. Feels the same as depression and shame.
Heartbreak: The absolute worst of the worst if you're rigged a certain way. And if you're this certain way, it's even worse cause it can last anywhere from a few months, to several years depending on the severity of the emotion. While you toss in turn in the furnace of frustration, what you're actually experiencing is aches and pains in your heart and stomach. All the of emotions come out to play, except for joy cause you'll be needing to fill the void which supplied you joy in the first place. But the amount of emotions including those that are associated with the state of paranoia. I guarantee this is the mind itself attacking the body as with every thought comes another jolt of fire burning away on what time you have left to be what you are, and right now it's going to waste, and for sure this is no way to spend an eternity but this is what it's like when things suck this much. It;s the ego, kill the ego. It no longer servers you, let it die, get lost, jump ship, welcome failure with open arms and become the greater you. If you can do that, the pain will be gone, and you'll actually be the best version of yourself. The master of emotions.
Ecstasy: Cause and effect, hormones chemicals. No one ever wants to admit it, but I'd argue ecstasy is an emotion too. It's a backward emotion. Every word synonymous with the word pleasure is an emotion, and pleasure itself can a synonym for horny too. Society would shackle this outlook because boasting about it will turn people on so we conceal it.
There are others, but it's gotten long. If you concur with what I wrote, then this is simply common knowledge you already know, it's just you've taken the physical aspects of emotions for granted.
Unless it trolls you like a tense muscle with shattered nerves like mine, physically interacting with the areas such as warming those emotional goosebumps just might simmer down the emotion a little, but it'll never govern the emotion as the emotion governed it. Other people do that better than you at any given time, all we can do as individuals is be selective.
"The pain itself is physical, and while active in my case, the muscle itself is conditioned. As I described, the knot in my back. It's really there."
did you ever injure your back or did it just come outta nowhere?
kinda tangential but i seen this thing about a guy who got bit by a snake and had his leg amputated, but he still had a reflex to kick his mental leg when he stepped on a stick or whatever. they call it phantom pain i think
i get a weird burning in my head when i hear this one particular song that i strongly associate with somethin. actually made me total my car on the I80 once. laughed it off as me bein a russian sleeper cell or somethin, but now im thinking its psychogenic pain
"I'd either have to blow up in a violent rage or die"
no option C?