Sociopath Community

Edvard stated: source post

You don't see how an insecure girl who thought Turncoat was her friend saw him encouraging the formation of a Luna-free forum, after all the work/energy/stupid dreams she put into the community, and that made her feel like shit? I thought psychopaths like you (:D) are supposed to lack just the emotional empathy, not the cognitive one too.

 What I saw was a childish, insecure idiot making bad decisions for everyone based on her own outrageous ego.  I don't care if she feels like shit.  She should.  Just because we recognize her mindset doesn't mean we have to sympathize with it, much less pander to it.

Edvard stated: source post

Both you and Sugar keep missing the pattern. I've been consistent so far. I've only ever taken Luna’s side BEFORE anything escalated because I held others responsible for pushing her buttons. After she reacts badly in consequence and things escalate, then I blame her. Simple enough, why is it so hard for you to see.

So what you're saying is, you're hypocritical and spineless.  You neglect your own sense of right and wrong to cater to a tyrant and then call her out only when the risk has passed.  Meanwhile the rest of us are taking a hit for standing up for ourselves.  Then you think you can act like you were actually on our side the whole time, and everyone will be fine with that?  Are you kidding me?

Edvard stated: source post

"Wow Ed.  You think it takes a "perfect world" to have a relationship with a woman in which you treat her as an equal?  You're a disgusting pig."

I was half serious about the tactic being "female handling 101" because it seemed funny to me to present it that way. If anything, women apply this with men just as often if not more often: pat his head, tell smth to shut him up, then do as they know best. And a lot of times they are right, as we would have been in this case. Call it politics, call it diversion, call is cunningness, I don't care, but it's worth avoiding confrontation and putting your ego on the side sometimes, and it really works if you know when to use it. And you know me, this comes from a confrontational man with a big ego.

Am I supposed to be consoled by the fact that you were only half serious? : P  You've displayed your sexism plenty enough times for me to take this seriously, and I imagine you wouldn't be backtracking like this if you hadn't been called out on it.

I'm sure it is effective Ed.  Unfortunately I wouldn't know.  I have enough respect for myself and others to not treat them like children.  If someone can't handle the truth, perhaps they need to hear it more often.  And babying people, compromising ones morals and opinions, just to avoid a little conflict....  that's pretty weak.

Edvard stated: source post

It's you who needs to make sense Crow, you're all over the place with your points. So I was sexist with my attitude and unfair to Luna? Was I on her side and helping her? Make up your mind.

 You lack certain dimensions of reality, don't you?  Such a black-and-white thinker.  Yes, you are sexist.  Yes, it is unfair to Luna.  And yes, you were on her side.  (Though I wouldn't go so far as to say that you were helpful to anyone but yourself.)  You encouraged someone in a moment of severe irrationality, because it was easier on you.  And now you somehow don't understand why people are pissed at you.  That's all it is.

 Doesn't mean I feel like catering to her wants.

 

Catering to her wants is a gross blowing out of proportion, as are terms like "sucking Luna's dick", "being Luna's lap dog" and the like. Seeing things like that is fucking ridiculous to me. It only required some patience and not getting overly paranoid/pessimistic about the future of the entire community, setting the self fulfilling prophecy in motion.

"Catering to her wants is a gross blowing out of proportion, as are terms like "sucking Luna's dick", "being Luna's lap dog" and the like. Seeing things like that is fucking ridiculous to me. "

Luna, at times has shown to be receptive to criticism. While the majority of us were openly criticizing luna and her decisions(in hope of change) you did the opposite. It's been demonstrated by Dex before that Luna doesn't need but some faulty backing to reassure her of her choices. You, in that sense practically undid the goal this entire community was striving for by pampering her and saying TC was at fault.

Just because we recognize her mindset doesn't mean we have to sympathize with it, much less pander to it.

I only said I saw her side in this, and you quoted that and called me a traitor for it. You're scrambling at this point.

"You neglect your own sense of right and wrong to cater to a tyrant and then call her out only when the risk has passed. Meanwhile the rest of us are taking a hit for standing up for ourselves. "

My sense of right and wrong told me it was wrong to take advantage of Luna being an insecure emotional teenager and push her buttons. I remember Silk, Sugar, Alter getting out of their way to do that before, on purpose, and now Sugar set the wheels in motions this time. Making a "childish idiot" spazz out with annoying consequences is nothing worth bragging about, nothing worth calling yourselves "great heroes of courage, standing up in the face of oppression" over, lmao. Making such a big deal out of small shit instead of avoiding it, and turning said small shit into a problem for everyone here, is just as childish in my book.

"You encouraged someone in a moment of severe irrationality"

I never encouraged Luna to do anything, only tried to discourage her and prevent shit. You're the one lacking subtlety and seeing in black and white in this, Crow. If I did think your side was in the wrong it doesn't mean I encouraged the other side.

  "What words?"

Systematic stated: source post

There's plenty of quotes in this thread users here have already shown you. Instead of taking a stand, like the rest of us, you supported her(shifting blame is support). 

" I stayed up like a no-lifer until 3 am and talked to Luna for two hours in private, during which I did my best to make her not unmod Turncoat by making her see Turncoat's POV, how much he cared for the community, and that we won't put up with her banning people."

Oh, so in private you'll speak your mind and defend the forum, but in public you shield her from blame right?

"You know shit about all this, yet you come barking at me."

I'm speaking on posts you've made, that are still there. Saying I'm misinformed on public information is a really shitty dismissive tactic Ed.

"I did my best to make her not unmod Turncoat "

And yet you held him accountable for everything that happened? Im sure that was persuasive 

"So you mean the 3 shitty quotes that Crow posted. I already explained the "holding Turncoat responsible" one, and that was the only one worth any explanation."

Those quotes are directly from your posts, dont discredit yourself now and don't ridicule me for holding you to them

"Luna is impossible to reason with in those tantrums, anyone who spoke with her and learned smth from the past knows it. "

Luna's been talked out of scenarios like this before. Early before she had any backing I and a couple others convinced her changing the name of the forum wasn't a good choice, she came to us for our opinions and went by them. It was only after she got backing she got more bold.

"You can waste your words shouting at the wall if that makes you feel brave and taking a stand"

Sounds like a favorable choice when the alternative is kissing ass

" My mindset was just aiming to avoid crushing into that wall, so yeah, I didn't join in the Luna bashing this time, before she even did significant damage"

Like I said before, I don't care what your intent was, what came from it was you enabling her.

"Being brave or a coward had nothing to do with it and you know it."

I don't know anything other than you had some reason to back luna publicly. You claimed you didn't want to set her off, I get that, but kissing ass is an unnecessary and intentional step further.

"As I said, you got Luna to kill the forum 2 days later. You certainly made her see reason your way, hm?"

I could just as easily say your actions helped to enable and incite the entire incident in the first place.

"This proves you understood little of the whole situation and I am done explaining it to you. You're grasping for straws and I think that's humiliating for you at this point."

I could careless what you think is humiliating for me. What I did come to get was for you to understand why you were being confronted by forum members and how your actions in this fiasco were supporting and enabling luna, regardless of your intent.

"Go for it, but you'd just sound stupid."

By saying users like yourself, Xena and Dex prolonged what could've been a short burnout? Luna has these moments, but this time it was far more severe because for the first time she had support that fed into her tantrum

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"You know I was one of those people, right?"

You weren't a part of the particular group I'm referring to and I'm not seeing the relevance in this. I'm not questioning your intent(that's a whole other story) you dont need to point out all these incidents where you claim you were working in the interest of the forum. I'm here to point out the effects of what you did.

"And that wasn't Luna on a tantrum."

What the point is here is that Luna is swayed fairly easily by the words of others, even more so when they feed into her interests.

Is this what this place has come to. You either run with the herd or you get shunned. smh

"I and a couple others convinced her changing the name of the forum wasn't a good choice"

You know I was one of those people, right? And that wasn't Luna on a tantrum.

"Sounds like a favorable choice when the alternative is kissing ass"

This proves you understood little of the whole situation and I am done explaining it to you. You're grasping for straws and I think that's humiliating for you at this point.

"I could just as easily say your actions helped to enable and incite the entire incident in the first place."

Go for it, but you'd just sound stupid.

"There's plenty of quotes in this thread users here have already shown you. "

So you mean the 3 shitty quotes that Crow posted. I already explained the "holding Turncoat responsible" one, and that was the only one worth any explanation. In restrospect, Sugar should have come first. I am not backing down on that impression, we already decided to agree to disagree about the best course of action for that situation.

Luna is impossible to reason with in those tantrums, anyone who spoke with her and learned smth from the past knows it. You can waste your words shouting at the wall if that makes you feel brave and taking a stand. My mindset was just aiming to avoid crushing into that wall, so yeah, I didn't join in the Luna bashing this time, before she even did significant damage. Being brave or a coward had nothing to do with it and you know it.

"And yet you held him accountable for everything that happened? Im sure that was persuasive "

As I said, you got Luna to kill the forum 2 days later. You certainly made her see reason your way, hm?