I'll keep that in mind for when I start giving a flying fuck over what people on the internet think. Thanks man.
"Those aren't standards though, but lack of standards..."
Does the lack of balance between the two genders' expectations not phase you? Men have a lot less that's expected of them
"huge biased history lesson"
You're free to post your unbiased version~ 
Personally, the presence of dates that can be double checked holds a little more water, especially when it's about what's going on behind the curtain instead of just what's visible on the forefront.
"Yeah, maybe you're right and women are required to take more care of their appearance than men. But that's in their fucking nature, more than it is in men's nature to ask for it."
Nurture, not nature. I can see how those two can be confused for the other, but this is a case where it's been a system upheld through society, not genetics.
"I see them spending hours putting on make up, going shopping for clothes and cosmetics, to beauty parlors, hairdressers. They LOVE that shit."
So instead of asking "Why?" and looking into it, you just sit back and assume that's "Just how they are"?
I can't imagine living like that. There'd be so many assumptions and unanswered questions...
"If anything, it's you women making the standards high for yourselves, more than men.
So... it's only women that steer the beauty trends? The trends, especially decades ago, could only be steered by men since women couldn't hold those sorts of jobs.
"You feel good when you look pretty and get the attention of men and out-beauty other women."
Starting to sound like some of Spatial's borderline-MGTOW rants...
"Don't blame the whole stuff on men, the beauty industry is kept alive by women and your natural tendency to make yourself appealing"
Industry being kept alive by it's own demographic is less of a blame-game case when compared to those who market it. Psychological tactics are heavily employed to steer the majority, not the other way around. It's down to the acting choices of the models they hire to the backgrounds, photography talent, color choices, and even typeface that is employed.
Choice is less of a thing than people give credit, most choices are made for us. In the case of fashion trends, both genders follow them but neither really choose them. Both wish to be "appealing" and tend to look towards others around them for how it's supposed to be done, but that entire process starts with big business types marketing these answers to people to make big bucks at the cost of passive levels of equality.
"from Cleopatra bathing in goat milk for smooth skin or whatever, and ancient beauty tricks and ointments used by women thousands and thousands of years ago. Did you even know that women used to drop belladonna (a poison) in their eyes to make themselves pretty even though it made them see badly and made light hurt their eyes? ("the name "bella donna" is derived from Italian and means "beautiful lady" because the herb was used in eye-drops by women to dilate the pupils of the eyes to make them appear seductive.")"
So your comparison choice is to use... An eccentric queen (one individual who needed to work harder than a typical pharaoh to be taken seriously), vague unlinked beauty tricks (that when dissected into would probably show more aspects of nurture), and gypsies (employing a trick for manipulating people)?
"So yeah, you have a problem with shaving/waxing, fine, but most men (and women) like women that way."
We know, but the why is what's worth focusing on. We get that you're a victim of the media machine, and I'm sorry for that, I really am, but at the very least recognizing the source is a way to reach an understanding and grow. Even if the aesthetic were to continue to be carried, at least you'd humbly understand why it's there and see that none of it really matters. I don't see why your choice of aesthetic is a reason to let yourself remain ignorant.
On top of that, have you ever really spoken in depth with women who follow the beauty aesthetics they have hoisted upon them? Many of them are pressured into it, feel like they have to, show nervous responses about not doing it. For those lot, that's not pride, that's conforming to expectation out of fear. When many find someone who appreciates them for them? They drop many of the practices they once carried from realizing that they can still feel valuable without having to aspire to become a photoshop idol of perfection that can't be achieved.
"Luckily for me and most men, there's plenty of women willing to shave for us."
Yep, lucky to be a man born into a misogynistic society that you are more than happy to push forward.
If the aesthetic were in reverse, you'd be following that one and would likely be equally thankful. History's one hell of a mindfuck when you see how it applies it's passive effects towards yourself.
"Just because I don't feel the need to be a keyboard brain warrior you think I'm incapable of reasoning or understanding."
I'm pretty sure it's how often you admit to not reading everything and blazing up that makes you seem less than capable.
Repeated behaviors do have a way of establishing a reputation, you know. 
Jaysus... ok, let's try to cut the waffle and get to the point, shall we? Yeah, I do skim your posts, because verbose doesn't even begin to cover it and some of us actually have lives to get on with off the internet.
So you're basically arguing that women shaving is a fashion thing, and that people who find it attractive only do so because they are victims of media brainwashing? I wanna be sure that I understand your argument correctly, because you seem to contradict yourself when you say this:
I'm not arguing that it's unnatural to find hairlessness on a female attractive.
What I'm saying is that it's a natural, biological urge for most women to want men to look masculine (tall, muscles, perhaps hairy), because it signifies testosterone and therefore better mating potential, in the same way that the majority of men prefer feminine looking women (wide hips, smaller in stature, and yes, less hair) because it signifies more oestrogen, childbearing potential etc.
A fashion, like ankle boots, the colour purple and the Marc Power pixie crop, is something that comes and goes with time. Wanting to look like a woman if you are a woman is biological and innate.
Yes, there are exceptions to this, people who aren't bothered about they or their sexual partners looking like their gender. In no way did I imply that they are unnatural, mentally ill, or their opinions are invalid. That's you putting words in my mouth out of nowhere, and the reason it looks to many like you are taking it personally. All I said was that you are the exception of the rule and you don't speak for the majority. Surely if you were truly comfortable with yourself you would be ok with this?
Personally, I don't particularly like pizza. I don't go around telling people who do like pizza that they can't really like it and they must have been brainwashed by Domino's ads, because that would be patronising and idiotic. I'm well aware that i"m in the minority, there is something that other people's tastebuds are picking up that I'm not getting.
I know the difference between a fashion and an innate biological urge, thankyouverymuch. I may be bored of ankle boots by next winter, but my desire to look like a woman has always been there since I was a little girl and always will be. And I grew up mostly without television or access to internet, so I'd be interested to know how I was 'brainwashed'? To imply that the vast majority of people don't know their own minds and you are the one true enlightened one because you don't like what they like is really very silly.
What about men who like sport? If women only like fashion and taking care of their appearance because of media brainwashing, are all these men who are watching/playing competitive games only doing so because of the pressure of society? Poor little lambs. I'd say a more logical explanation is that it's the effects of testosterone, just as women's behaviour is the effects of oestrogen, but perhaps that's a little too much like logic for you...
What about girls and boys who play with different toys when they're kids? Do you think it's due to pressure of society or the hormones in their brains? That's the crux of the argument really.
You seem very young, or at least with not much life experience. It would be interesting to revisit this in a few years' time if/when you have kids and see how your views have evolved.
just...wow. What an ignorant, narrow-minded load of bollox.
So I don't really enjoy shopping and getting my nails done and get pleasure in looking good, I'm actually just a weak-willed woman with no mind of my own, oppressed by the patriarchy and too nervous of society to do anything different. Thanks for that, I never knew.
Seriously, the sad thing is I think you are the one who is brainwashed and you don't even see it. I don't know you from Adam, but I'd be willing to bet that you've lived your life in a quite narrow bubble, never really travelled, spent time amongst people only from the same social background as you... I'd like to see you actually get out there and live a little, travel, meet people away from your comfort zone, and then form your opinions, rather than parroting this drivel that's been fed to you by your parents and sociology professors.
"So yeah, you have a problem with shaving/waxing, fine, but most men (and women) like women that way."
We know, but the why is what's worth focusing on. We get that you're a victim of the media machine, and I'm sorry for that, I really am, but at the very least recognizing the source is a way to reach an understanding and grow. Even if the aesthetic were to continue to be carried, at least you'd humbly understand why it's there and see that none of it really matters. I don't see why your choice of aesthetic is a reason to let yourself remain ignorant.
lol are you serious TC?
The "mentally ill" thing was in reference to her comment about being wired differently, and was mainly a hyperbole meant to goad her a bit. Hence the "or Pink" comment, at the end. That line was meant to be taken only half seriously. Not that I can blame either of you for taking it seriously, tone is hard to convey in text, and most people take me more seriously than I'd like. But yeah, I was basically jabbing at her point about us being different, but using more antagonizing wording for fun.
I never said she was less qualified to have an opinion, though. Or that being "wired differently" made me more qualified. Only that I disagreed with her opinion. To use your example, a straight person might not have the first-hand experience of a gay person, but that doesn't mean they couldn't be the scientist that studies the brain of a gay person, to search for a biological source. In that way they are equally qualified. I don't need to find body hair unattractive, to examine the historical sources of the attraction. And by the way, since I apparently haven't repeated this enough already, I have never once given my personal opinion of body hair on this forum. You're all assuming I'm in favor of it, simply because I'm arguing that hairlessness is not natural. Air conditioning isn't natural either, but I like that just fine. : P
I'm not logical enough, for my liking.