It sounds to me like you're using karma as an excuse for every cause and affect that happens.
Person 1: "Did you know that emily got brutally raped by some stranger?"
Person 2: "Maybe she deserved it. Karma's a bitch like that"
Person 1: "Probably. What goes around comes around"
by TARAlegally, yes of course you hold the parents responsible for intoxication and child abuse.
If you know that, then you should also know that karma has nothing to do with the choice they made.
Karma didn't make them intoxicated. Karma didn't cause them to beat their child.
Cause and affect is purely the result of the choices we make.
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by Thrill KillIt sounds to me like karma is just an excuse for every cause and affect that happens.
Person 1: "Did you know that emily got brutally raped by some stranger?"
Person 2: "Maybe she deserved it. Karma's a bitch like that"
Person 1: "Probably. What goes around comes around"
1. Yes, people see karma differently depending on their karma. Yes, I have met people who do blame the rape victim, sometimes because they want to know there is justice so they want to believe the victim caused it in this lifetime. there may be other reasons for why they see it this way. regardless if it is true or not, their beliefs is part of their karma.
2. I also have a friend who counsels rapists and rape victims and he DOES believe it is both their karma. I told him not all cases were so. I explained about the collective karma. but HIS original thinking was the rape victim DID have karma that caused that rapist to rape them. yes, I met someone who does beleive that, though I don't think it is all cases.
Not all cases or causes are the same.
Not all people's views of karma are correct for those cases, but they might apply to others.
by Thrill Kill
If you know that, then you should also know that karma has nothing to do with the choice they made.Karma didn't make them intoxicated. Karma didn't cause them to beat their child.
Cause and affect is purely the result of the choices we make.
yes and no
So, if someone brutally raped you, you'd be willing to accept that your karma contributed to the action?
After all, if karma exists, then what goes around comes around, right?
If you had an accident that caused you serious injury, would you say that's karma at work?
TK: RE
1. If you know that, then you should also know that karma has nothing to do with the choice they made.
2. Karma didn't make them intoxicated. Karma didn't cause them to beat their child.
3. Cause and affect is purely the result of the choices we make.
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I agree with point (3)
So that is what causes (2) and (1) as well
because of past choices or biases, it CAUSES a chain reaction of cause and effect biasing or influencing future choices, causes and effects.
this is also why the legal system can be played. you can start the causality at any point and try to justify blame or project blame elsewhere, it can be as subjective as you want.
it depends what arguments you want to make and what people will believe or agree on
TK this is very close to what we originally discussed. that cause and effect happened ANYWAY regardless if we "believe" in karma or not. what you say here is close to what I mean, but you are explaining it better here. Thanks.
From what I've read about it, karma is more than just cause and affect.
According to to this statement on karma: "Our actions, both good and bad, come back to us in the future, helping us to learn from life’s lessons and become better people."
Karma seems to be related to morality in a way, which is precisely why I don't believe in it.
If you believe in evil, then you know that sometimes bad things happen to good people. You could spend your entire life caring for others and still get raped and murdered one day. You can't say it's never happened to anyone.
If karma exists, then it's about as pointless as believing in some mythical thing called God.
by Thrill KillA. So, if someone brutally raped you, you'd be willing to accept that your karma contributed to the action?
B. After all, if karma exists, then what goes around comes around, right?
C. If you had an accident that caused you serious injury, would you say that's karma at work?
A. it depends A1. if it is true and A2. if it is my karma to believe this or not. so it depends on the case, and also what is my karma in responding to it? what if I am meant to heal by saying it was my karma, or if I am meant to heal by saying it wasn't my fault. it depends on the case and the process the person is meant to go through how they respond.
when I suffered abuse with my first boyfriend, I hadnt resolved issues with my parents I didn't know I was carrying. the reason my perception was blocked was because of that. had I known we weren't really meant to get married in the future as husband and wife I never would get involved in the first place, I would avoid the karmic relationship. but I didn't know, because past karma blocked or limited my perception so I didn't see this problem. so yes, that was partially my family karma and partially my boyfriend's karma with his parents. bad karma was repeating on both sides before I understood how it works. it was fairly mutual, and took both of us resolving our issues with each other and our parents. We agreed to resolve all this before going on to next relations so it didn't repeat.
B. now I know how karma works, it is now my karma to resolve my half of any conflicts. so what comes around goes around, when I help resolve conflicts all people benefit. there is that much less negative karma dumping around, so getting rid of it makes room for positive things instead. i believe this healing approach also reduces anger or rage issues that lead to murder rape or other violations; and this healing can also cure criminal illness
C. Yes and no. It can be indirect karma or future karma. for example when I hurt myself at work, I could not do my usual errands because i couldn't drive. I ended up focusing my time on other websites I don't usually spend time on. some of that helped me indirectly in new ways. Then I could go back and work on the problems with different ideas and help.
So what if the injury itself was not the issue? what if I ended up going to the doctor because I got referred to clinics for some 'future reason"?
it could be that it forced other things to happen to solve other problems?
not sure. so if you want to call that kind of cause and effect a form of karma. YES.
p.s. because anything could be the reason for anything, that is why it is faith based. things happen for a reason but you may believe in one thing. or we may agree it was another.
that is why i go by what we agree on in each case that matters to the person. if you believe differently I can only assume that is your karma and your responsibility
by Thrill KillFrom what I've read about it, karma is more than just cause and affect.
According to to this statement on karma: "Our actions, both good and bad, come back to us in the future, helping us to learn from life’s lessons and become better people."
Karma seems to be related to morality in a way, which is precisely why I don't believe in it.
If you believe in evil, then you know that sometimes bad things happen to good people. You could spend your entire life caring for others and still get raped and murdered one day. You can't say it's never happened to anyone.
If karma exists, then it's about as pointless as believing in some mythical thing called God.
1. this is still cause and effect, if you believe we are meant to become more effective as an EFFECT of karma. that's still included in "causality." I see no conflict there.
2. it doesn't have to be expressed as morality. it can be about getting what you want in life while avoiding things you dislike. that would still follow the same choices by cause and effect. you would still choose effects that "work better for you" and avoid things you hate.
3. whether or not you believe in evil, yes these things still happen. however if you understand the causes and effects related to evil, you are less likely to be manipulated.
4. if you define God to be something mythical this misses the point of why bother coming up for a name for something if it doesn't exist.
again if you understand the meaning of God you are more likely to be successful in working with different people of different beliefs, if this helps you get what you want
God can mean Life, universe/creation, good will, love, universal truth/laws, nature, Wisdom
all of these have real meanings. so it depends on the context what someone means by God. just because we dont agree, or just because contexts differ, that doesnt mean that what is MEANT by God doesn't exist. it just mean we don't agree what we're talking about.
Why do you feel this need to label everything?
Cause and affect is the result of choices people make, NOT karma.
God can mean Life, universe/creation, good will, love, universal truth/laws, nature, Wisdom
Those things exist whether you call them God or something else entirely. I could just as easily call those things blablabla and the meaning would be exactly the same. If God is just a fancy name for things that exist, what's the point in calling them anything other than what they actually are?