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You're Christian, right Em? Well what's this talk about karma then. You must be really blind to not see how unjust life is, and how some shitheads get to live happily until old age and other ppl get shit all the time. Of course justice doesn't always happen.

As to point 1, answers are not always, and not always. It depends on many things, and what I serve to others definitely doesn't come back to me in the same form every time.

Hi Ed: Thanks for your good concise points.

1. who says justice has to happen in this lifetime? The same way injustice is carried from generation to generation, of course, to break the cycle and bring Justice may not happen until the end of the entire process. If you look at the whole story of humanity, from beginning to end, there can be justice. But no, not if you take chapters out of context.

Any movie you watch doesn't have a happy ending if you only take the crises out of context. Overall it builds to a successful conclusion that outweighs the struggle to get there. 

2. As for Buddhist and Christian teachings, what is the difference between teaching laws of karma and reaping what you sow? The Bible also says if you forgive, then you are forgiven. Or whatever words of judgment you impose on others, you too shall be judged.

Either way, there is justice; if we live by the Old Testament and hang each other by the letter of the law which kills relationships and humanity, ending in death and destruction as the OT shows.

Or we live by the New Testament where Jesus represents "restorative justice" that renews relations, not destroy them with judgment or punishing as in retributive justice.

Either way, we get the justice we give; not to "punish" us, but to learn by comparison; and to choose which way we prefer: to live and die by the sword, or to invest in healthy working relations, so collectively we progress toward spiritual peace and maturity.

3. I think what you may be referring to, what happens when "innocent" people die, such as in war, or criminal violence, drunk drivers, etc.

There is also "collective karma"

If we as humanity fail to do enough to end the cause of crime or war, then collectively innocent people die. And this forces us by conscience to do more to find and cure the causes.

If only people died who DESERVED to die anyway, then humanity would be content to let justice kill off those people by accident, by war or crime. But because innocent people die, then we are reminded we must seek the real reasons and try to correct and prevent them.

it is not the fault of the innocent people, but it is the responsibility of society as a whole to address.

So...What about that part where Christ is the only one who judges people and they get justice in the afterlife?

Anyway... I'm not only talking about innocent people dying, ffs. Just about how some people thrive at the expense of others while others don't even get a chance to do anything in this life but suffer. It happens, don't deny it. Justice is imbalanced on this world. I believe karma is a general notion some people need to believe in to do good and refrain from doing evil. Just like some believe justice obtained in the afterlife (Heaven, Hell) has the same purpose.

If only people died who DESERVED to die anyway, then humanity would be content to let justice kill off those people by accident, by war or crime. But because innocent people die, then we are reminded we must seek the real reasons and try to correct and prevent them.

In other words, karma doesn't exist because, if it did, humans wouldn't need to intervene. What goes around would naturally come around without forcing it to by 'correcting' the issue.

This is a very open question. How does one describe exactly what karma is? In the long run people might assume things that happen to them to be karma but, what if it also instills what hasn't happened to you? What if also includes someone that you care about losing out because of something horrible you did? In ideal this would include the bad things happen to good people. Throw a pebble into the water and it causes ripples yes. But the more pebbles thrown ( Pebbles = people actions) the more ripples occurs (effect from those peoples) the more they collide and in since other ripples cancel out. So in theory all possible effect from everyone effect everyone else's possible effects. I believe in laws of nature to govern humanity even if our eyes can not see every single reason behind it.

Only direct results of cause and effect are really connected to how much giving results in receiving. If you can write yourself out of the situation, you've effectively escaped it. There's plenty of terrible people who do well, and good people who suffer. The fact that there's bad people who suffer and good people who succeed is, besides the direct results of the things they've done, largely coincidental.

I'd argue it's who you surround yourself with more than any sort of karma. If you only hang out with respectful people, then you're likely to be treated respectfully. If you surround yourself with cutthroats, how good of a person you are will actually work against you.

A common sense approach to understanding Karma: one who does good will be surrounded by good people and things; one who does bad will be surrounded by bad people and things.

Example: robber plays with evil friends and sticks guns in persons face to rob him is shot dead because of his actions

Pretty simple really...the energy need not have intentions or a body because the focus is more on the person and his/her choices and activities

So someone who is, at heart, a douche, but surrounds themselves and maintains relationships with good people out of pure guile, has good karma?

Is trickery and control then a means of adjusting your own karmic levels, as opposed to goodness versus badness?

I think the douche who surrounds himself with good people and things, whether intentional or accidental, will become better or good the longer he/she does so

Its not as if he can do bunches of bad and duck in with the good for a day to alleviate his burdens...time matters