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by Turncoat

People who believe in things like reincarnation would try to say that that serial killer would suffer for those transgressions in another life.

Seems legit, punishing someone else for crimes they didn't themselves do.

 Dear Turncoat

1. a wise monk once explained it this way, that the soul was unique and did not reincarnate. it was the karma that reincarnated. 

Also it affects all the people in both the past and future actions, it's not like taking one person out of context with the chain of actions and plugging them in somewhere else

2. just because you "forgive" the wrong, doesn't mean there are no consequences.

for both the past and future action, each person is STILL responsible for what they do in person in THEIR lifetime. just because you inherit a mental or alcohol addiction "from a previous generation" does not get you off the hook if you commit drunk driving today.

the chain of karma may help you understand where it came from, so you can forgive and heal the root cause, but you still face consequences of your wrongful actions that follow

note: even if you use or bypass the justice system to avoid legally consequences , spiritually or personally you may still pay in other ways

ex: after OJ got off from criminal charges, he was not only rejected in public as part of the consequences, but he later got nailed for other criminal charges and put in prison. many ppl believe that case was not that solid, and the conviction was mostly "payback" he owed

by Lycan

I hope there IS karma.

then you will be locked away for all eternity , being forced to read over and over , your goddam posts, until your eyes bleed ink , and your brain turns itself into a sloth dropping. 

 careful lycan, what you wish on others is YOUR karma not theirs. (THEIR karma is determined by how THEY respond, not YOUR judgment which is YOUR responsibility.)

if you truly wish suffering on me, maybe you invoke more of this suffering on yourself!

(BTW I don't wish you ill, lycan, i find your comments pithy and funny even when you criticize. you and silkthread make the squirrel saga even funnier due to the contrast in humor)

as for karma, there is a difference between the "scarcity" mentality where you compete to undercut others or measure your success at their expense

and "abundance" mentality where investing in others means attracting more wealth 

those who figure out how it works, seek the best for others, knowing it attracts the same

by Thrill Kill

 How am I giving karma credit when I don't even believe in it?

Law enforcement catches serial killers. Not some stupid fucking belief system that doesn't even exist in reality."

that's not the only way to bring justice.

one of my friends got cheated at her business by an employee who abused her trust.

instead of wasting time and money fighting this man, she merely warned him that whar he did was wrong but would let divine justice handle it. she told me later this man got killed when he hit a deer. so maybe he got his "justice" some other way nobody expected.

whether or not it is spiritually caused by what he did, in her beliefs it was correlated

so TK for all the cases that people got away without getting sentenced for their crimes,

how do you know that wasn't because of karma? who said karma was only being caught?.

From Wikipedia: "According to the theory of Karma, what happens to a person, happens because they caused it with their actions."

It sounds to me like karma means "you get what you deserve".

Is it karma when an innocent child is abused by an intoxicated parent?

by TARA

 so TK for all the cases that people got away without getting sentenced for their crimes,

how do you know that wasn't because of karma? who said karma was only being caught?.

If someone brutally raped you and got away with it, would you call that karma?

by Thrill Kill

From Wikipedia: "According to the theory of Karma, what happens to a person, happens because they caused it with their actions."

It sounds to me like karma means "you get what you deserve".

Is it karma when an innocent child is abused by an intoxicated parent?

 Hi TK 1. first I would trust very few resources, even Buddhist or religious, with the real meanings of these concepts except where they all AGREE. or you can take different interpretations and argue forever. If people ALL AGREE what karma means, then let's use THAT DEFINITION. so first it helps to agree what it MEANS or what it DOES NOT MEAN.

2. I do NOT agree with this explanation of Karma. because it doesn't take into account the collective karma beyond the individual. so it is not complete. karma behind a drunk driver can come from society's karma of letting this person drive, not the individual who was actually hit.

the definition of "cause and effect" covers more cases because everything has a cause and an effect. so that is what I find more consistent with all other definitions/interpretations.

you bring up good points here:

3. no, it is not necessarily what you deserve. just because a kid falls off their bike while they are learning to ride doesn't mean they deserve to get hurt! it is just an EFFECT of learning to do something as an imperfect human being. hitting the sidewalk can hurt. it is the EFFECT of falling, the result. it is not necessary to judge the person as deserving it, no

4. it is the EFFECT of the chain of karma of the past abuses inherited by the parent from their conditions or parents or wherever this passed down from.

the EFFECT of the innocent child getting hurt is the karma of society, it motivates us to respond and try to correct or prevent the problem.

because society failed to catch and cure the conditions in advance, we suffer the abuse of an innocent child

so it can be society's karma that caused this to happen so the effect is we do more to stop it 

it is not deserved by the child. it is the responsibility of those around the parents to do more to help identify the problem before it hurts anyone else. if it isn't fixed it repeats. and all society suffers the loss, not just the child.

the EFFECT of the innocent child getting hurt is the karma of society, it motivates us to respond and try to correct or prevent the problem.

because society failed to catch and cure the conditions in advance, we suffer the abuse of an innocent child

so it can be society's karma that caused this to happen so the effect is we do more to stop it 

Isn't that essentially taking the blame away from the person responsible?

Responsibility belongs with the person who abused the child, not society. Society may influence our decisions, but it doesn't control our actions.

I'm still waiting on your answer to this question (quoted below), emily.

by Thrill Kill

 If someone brutally raped you and got away with it, would you call that karma?

by Thrill Kill

 If someone brutally raped you and got away with it, would you call that karma?B.

 There is not the same reason why things happen for all cases. i can think of two groups:

A. what if I did do something in this lifetime or something happened in previous generations that resulted in this person raping me or someone else.

A1. if I had someone's family violated, where they came back and raped me or my family, that would be BOTH our karma, not just one person

A2. if I were Iranian and someone raped me because of conflicts with Iraq, that might be NATIONAL karma from conflicts or bad history between our two cultures or countries.

A3. if white and black slaves were forced to intermarry, so there is hatred inbred between them passed down to future generations, it could be that one person raping another comes from some of that karma. So that might be RACIAL karma or political karma from slavery.

B. what if I did not personally do anything in this lifetime or was not connected to anything in the past that led to this rape.

B1. if someone has not gotten help with their addictions or criminal illness making them stalk or rape people, then if they happen to rape me, they can dump some of their guilt and rage onto me. this transferrance can then compel me to get help to recover not only for myself, but also for the rapist. So the karma they couldn't resolve gets projected, say possibly on 5 or 10 other victims before me, until the person is either caught and/or gets help to address their problems. The karma will trickle down until it is resolved. if it isn't it can cause people to dump it on other people by raping, abusing, bullying violating them, so they transfer some of the negative energy or emotions onto someone else to fix.

B2. if the govt fails to do more to detain and treat criminals with a sick or violent history

then if these persons are freed to go attack other people, then whether they rape me or someone else, this could be the GOVT karma that the laws or justice/prison system has problems that need to be corrected. so innocent people raped can cause political reforms.

of course in both situations, the rapes that already happened already motivate people to offer better corrections and improve security. until this is resolved, we may see more such karma passed down or around. so it could be karma with the NATION or between GENDER

these are some example scenarios. the karma could be coming from or going elsewhere.

by Thrill Kill

the EFFECT of the innocent child getting hurt is the karma of society, it motivates us to respond and try to correct or prevent the problem.

because society failed to catch and cure the conditions in advance, we suffer the abuse of an innocent child

so it can be society's karma that caused this to happen so the effect is we do more to stop it 

Isn't that essentially taking the blame away from the person responsible?

Responsibility belongs with the person who abused the child, not society. Society may influence our decisions, but it doesn't control our actions.

 yes and no

1. if the parents are mentally ill, then legally they may or may not be held legally competent or responsible

2. in general the conflict is that people who learn how to forgive and heal these addictions to become responsible, no longer commit these crimes; while the people who do get stuck in addictions usually don't or can't get help because of their addictions.

legally, yes of course you hold the parents responsible for intoxication and child abuse.

SPIRITUALLY if they didn't know how to get help, there are reasons for that, so each case is different. if they knew they had a problem and didn't get help that is one thing. if they are mentally ill where they don't know what they are doing, that may be a different case

PHYSICALLY regardless of who is at fault, and whether or not it is forgiven or what

the parents who got intoxicated or who abused the child still owe corrections for what they did wrong. again that is just cause and effect. if you cause a problem, you are responsible for fixing it. if you are mentally ill, then you work with people who can help you afterwards

just because you are spiritual forgiven, or if there were reasons or circumstances, doesn't exempt you from addressing the consequences. if you need help then get help. if you don't know enough to get help, the people around you would be responsible for getting you help. If they don't know, then someone else hearing of this case might get involved, etc. the karma will get passed around until someone takes responsibiity. 

if the parents should have taken responsibility but failed, and the govt fails too, sometimes the media or public gets involves, and takes responsibility to put it back on the parents!