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You conveniently missed my post basically stating everything you just said :p

I didn't conveniently miss anything. I just gave you my personal opinion.

Hi Caleb. Of course, since all of us are only talking about perceptions on here. It's all hypothetical and in our heads and not the same as proving in real life.

I have friends I can bring on here to talk about their first hand experiences with light energy and dark energy.

And you are welcome to discuss the differences with them; it's still second hand talk, and not directly empirical evidence. But at least it would remove a level and not be third or fourth hand talk, he said she said, etc.

I don't expect you to believe there is scientific proof of the difference between light and dark energy "just because I read a book by doctors who studied this."

Caleb you'd have to study the empirical evidence yourself to make this discussion NOT faith based on just words alone.

I know the difference.

It's just that on this forum, we are limited. The most I can do is cite sources and it's up to people to replicate the experiments scientifically if you want to prove the results yourself on that level.

Thanks Caleb I'm glad you are intelligent enough to know the difference also.

You worried me when you seemed to scoff at intelligence being interesting, but clearly you care on that level.

Thank you, and sorry I misjudged you for misunderstanding your mockery.

She's heard of it. Sorta.

 Hi Parker that is wonderful that works for you. Some people don't respond to heaven, while others don't respond to hell. If this works for you, then use it and I'm sure there are others it will work for. Thanks for this!

One friend of mine said it this way: to resolve things now with people, and don't wait to get to heaven or hell to sort it out. because you will run into the same people anyway. Might as well work it out now.

BTW it's not just being "good." people get into fights about who was good and deserved XYZ and who wasn't good or didn't deserve ABC. So you can still fight over being good and send the relationship to hell while alive on earth. That tends to escalate into hellish suffering or war for others like a ripple effect.

We can't control if I do more good than you do, if we don't have the same resources or ability.

What we can control is no matter what goes on good or bad, we forgive what injustices or wrongs happen.

So those bad things can be turned around into making things better in the present and future.

So that is what I see makes heaven or hell out of WHATEVER happens in life good or bad.

You can be good all you want, but if you don't forgive, you end up suffering in life or whatever.

So that's what makes the difference.

Maybe in your system, it would be "letting go" where you do what is best and don't make issues or suffering of it.

Maybe you call it something else given that you frame the situation differently to begin with.

Is that it? is that the equivalent of forgiveness in your world? what do you call this ability to accept what you cannot change?

Thanks I think I will share your system with some other friends who may benefit from how you framed that

by Daddy

Apparently you've never heard of the placebo effect... ritual is a powerful tool to manipulate and reconfigure the mind... Postive and negative psychic (and by psychic I mean mental states of mind) mental states are real, i.e. if we tell ourselves something over and over, we begin to manifest that reality, whether good or bad... It's how mantra's, hypnosis, brain washing, behavioral therapy, etc work... this is scientifically proven. However Evil in the sence that there is some cosmic force (the devil or spirits) that drive this force is absurd. 

Evil exists only in so much as you choose for it to exist...

Hell is a mythic story that existed long before christianity... it existed as a place inside of hades for the greeks for example and is found in many other religions that were originally intended as a means to facilitate social behavioral modification through promise of retribution and reward. In essance it helped facilitate the creation of society that taught humanity to be more than the animal it is... At that time in our evolution it was needed... but now... it's like an adult believing in santaclaus, you can grow up now...

 Hi Daddy thanks for your in depth reply in full detail. I much rather prefer to discuss things this way and sorry if we came to words in other threads that don't do justice to your full capacity intelligence and knowledge. Sorry if I made bad jokes when you have more to share than the responses I misjudged you by before. My apologies

1. first this placebo effect does NOT WORK to cure people of pedophilia, alcoholic addiction, sexual addiction cause by rape/abuse, etc. I have YET to see anyone overcome some of these life threatening destructive addictions and obsessions by "wishing it away' or "thinking positive thoughts"

Even false faith healing of blindly praying for God to magically heal DOES NOT WORK

What works is going into someone's past and uprooting the sick emotions memories or fears/conflicts trapping that person as a victim of the unforgiveness. and praying to remove not only the unforgiveness but all negative consequences and energies attached to the wound and infecting it or infesting it.

This cannot be faked. Sorry

If you are talking about something else that can be changed by placebo or wishful thinking, that's NOT what I'm talking about.

so I have no argument with you. whatever placebo effect works in other situations, you may well be right.

That does not work with the cases of true spiritual healing from real forgiveness, the kind that people would rather die than let go of. they can't fake that. that's why the spiritual healing cannot be faked.

if the person does not fully forgive and let go of whatever is making them stay stuck and sick,'THEY WON'T HEAL

2. As for hell, this definition and meaning is as relative as talking about God or what you love in life, etc.

Everyone has different answers as to what hell or suffering means to them

so WHY would you limit the definition of hell to just the hades/lake of fire thing that Christians debate over?

If this is NOT your language or laws, then there is little sense in framing hell as that thing you don't relate to!

Tell me what you see causes people suffering in life or relationships. is it fear? unforgiveness? resentment?

whatever you call the cause of war, abuse, ill will between people, that is the same as what causes hell in life.

it does not have to match what is taught from the Bible which is symbolic of the same causes of human suffering.

ex: one of my atheists friends did not believe in sin and hell, but blamed human ego for destroying humanity. so that's the same as sin, the selfish ego, in his world. what is the cause of suffering in your world, your terms?

Thanks I respect your intelligent answers and sorry for any previous stupidity

by Cipher

 My laws are the right laws. The universe is a physical place and the only meaning it can have is what we give it. I prefer to look the truth in the eyes and not kid myself to make myself feel better. 

Any argument or explanation based on feelings is irrelevant to me.

 Of course, that goes without saying. If you respond naturally to laws of science and natural and empirical experiences, that is what you use to judge by when determining truth.

Likewise those who understand the laws governing relationships between people, by using other laws, such as those who agree to follow Constitutional laws or Muslim teachings or Buddhist or Christian, these groups cite the laws they agreed to follow when communicating to resolve conflicts and establish truth between them as well!

There is nothing wrong with people using different laws to establish agreement among their members.

The birds all have their own songs they sing that are unique to them. Just because these are irrelevant to me doesn't meant these songs have no meaning. it's that the message and connection is not for me, but for the birds!

Hi Aidan and TK: Wow! I am still having similar discussions with a friend I have who believes people and animals are equal in consciousness, while I say people still have greater responsibility than animals spiritually.

We cannot prove either of our points, but we can discuss where we agree or disagree and why.

This discussion came up either last year or before, when i found out not everyone I knew agreed if animals could evolve in intelligence like people could. I was shocked to find people actually believed animals could evolve to function higher even while keeping their same form and I argued, no, there is a limit because we are designed differently. A few of my other friends agreed with me, that some spiritual order existed that kept humans above animals, or else animals would have overtaken humans long ago.

My friend and I couldn't agree if the difference was a matter of spirituality or intelligence.

Aidan there is no sense in trying to argue with someone who doesn't see this the same way.

You and TK are probably farther apart from agreeing than me and my friend.

This is like me and Cipher trying to agree what the heck God means if Cipher doesn't have that concept in any form. Just outside the vocabulary like talking the wrong language between people of different cultures.

I do believe that animals have consciousness and sentience. The stories about Elephants grieving in packs even going through the actions of a funeral procession and wake, and weeping for their dead are just unbelievable.

But I would agree with TK that it is not on the same level of humans and the conscience/karma we carry.

Humans have more control over how we address our karma and change the patterns. the animals are forced to fall under that influence they don't have as much choice as humans do to change.

If you believe as Buddhists do that some of the realm of hell and suffering from bad karma comes from humans being incarnated in animals so there is this suffering without ability to change it, then your beliefs may be closer to my friend's. I believe it could be so, what if the helling fire is what souls go through if they are reborn as lobsters, for example, and boiled alive in horror unable to change their fate. or hte animals abused and tortured such as the asian moon bears in china are human born into hell to suffer and die in cages. what if that is spiritual hell and souls are transferred there to work off their bad karma?

who knows.

so the point is the same to be wary of adding more bad karma to the pot, try to reverse or transform bad karma or ill will into good energy and use that to correct problems otherwise causing abuses or suffering.

we don't need to argue about people vs. animals to do this

just focus on what is the most effective way to achieve common goals

and we'll get there even if we disagree vehemently on some of these things we can't fully prove yet

if they need to be proven by science we'll get to that

but if people believe differently we just don't all see or experience the same range of what's going on

TK and I may not see what you and my friend see

but maybe she can see things I can't or I can see thing you don't either etc.

not all the singers in a choir can sing or reach the same notes on the scale

that is on purpose so together we can cover the whole range and help each other.

 thank you for your appology, but you're still a naive idiot... good day.

She's a bit of an idiot huh?