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"Relative" views of Evil, or Hell "not existing"


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Dear Cipher and Thrill Kill: You posted before that you don't believe Evil exists.

or as Cipher quoted: "Evil is just a point of View"

I find it interesting that some people don't believe in evil just because they can forgive whatever people are calling evil. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There is a difference scientifically in the energy from loving positive thoughts and prayer, vs. negative unforgiving hateful/retributive energy. This can be proven scientifically. Doctors who study and write books healing prayer compared with voodoo/curses, report that the energy is so different they CLASH. Forgiveness studies show the difference in the impact and recovery on mental/physical health. What is "relative" is what people are willing to forgive.

I also make a distinction between people who "don't believe hell exists" and those who believe there is hellish suffering, but it has a purpose and an end, so "hell" can be overcome. Even "war" can be seen as sending someone into hell. Or sending anyone through the criminal justice system after a loved one is murdered becomes a long drawn out hell if the family doesn't forgive and let go spiritually.

Are you okay with this idea that "hell" and "evil" may exist, but don't have to be feared as "evil". These can be overcome by forgiveness, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Does this explanation still work with what you believe?

Otherwise, what do you call that negative energy to distinguish it from positive? What do you call the level of peace that comes from forgiveness and letting go, as opposed to the level of suffering that comes from fear, unforgiveness, and seeking retribution against others? If you don't call it evil, what terms do you use? Thanks!

 

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 Hi Turncoat I can't see the whole image but I will check from a different computer. I think I get the gist of it.

Even if one person's hell is another person's guilty pleasure, that means that other person has a different concept of unforgiveable suffering they'd rather die than experience.

So collectively hell is still all those things put together. It doesn't have to be the same thing for all people. Same with heaven. 

It is relative to each person. Collectively whatever is "peace/bliss" to each of us, or whatever is "intolerable suffering" becomes what heaven and hell symbolize. 

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Negative energy doesn't necessarily mean 'evil'. When I think of evil nothing comes to mind because in my mind nothing is evil.

Evil is subjective. What one may consider evil, another may not, So, who is to say what is evil and what isn't? Just because you believe evil exists, is not proof alone that it actually exists.

I'm not sure what I believe when it comes to Heaven and Hell. I feel almost certain sometimes that God and the Devil exist and other times, I question it. I've been both a christian and a satanist at separate times in the past and I feel as though neither did anything for me. Though, I'd be lying if I said I haven't had some 'unusual' experiences with christianity.

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 since we both agree that negative energy exists

Then whatever is the collective body of all the negative

Can be the equivalent of collective hell

And whatever you call all the positive combined can be heaven

As for the source of negative energy

Again i cite Scott Pecks book Glimpses of the Devil

Where he described making contact with spiritual forces,

Some that seemed lighter younger or fleeting and fast moving

Vs. A very heavy ancient prsence which he equated with Satan

You can say all things were created by God or you can

Call that the opposite extreme of the spectrum where

This deep end is evil compared with the other end of the scale.

Anyone who has done exorcisms reports confronting

This unmistakable evil. you would have to meet even more

Evil entities for these to be "not evil in comparison"

So even by relative comparison there is going to be evil.

Even if we don't agree which things are 

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Do you think people can be evil?

Do you think evil can recognize itself as an 'evil' entity/energy?

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 2. From sources who do exorcisms yes these entities are self aware and know their place in a hierarchy from demons to Satan and which are their higherups 1. It is rare for ppl to be so perfectly pissessed they are pure evil that is as rare as being so perfect in love you are god incarnatd. Most ppl are channeling or possesed with the evil working thru them but some pll call this evil others call it sick

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 I've been called a sicko and a sick fuck numerous times. Does that means I'm evil?

Just so you know, I don't believe I am because I still don't believe in evil.

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by emilynghiem

 2. From sources who do exorcisms yes these entities are self aware and know their place in a hierarchy from demons to Satan and which are their higherups

 True, but they're not likely to admit they're evil.

The Devil is quite deceptive, wouldn't you agree.

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Even those who do not believe in evil, knows what it is, and they know what falls under the evil category. Without the believing in evil, the aftermath of our actions can still be measured from where we stand.

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