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As rude as TC was toward you Good, he probably feels you struck first when you said you never wanted to read through SJW bullshit.

Sven said it to you though.

The Democrats basically accuse Trump of using his power to get foreign powers to support him by smearing his opponent. In this case Joe Biden.

There is a case where Joe Biden abused his power as vice president. HE, for one pretty much bribed Ukraine to call off an investigation into international corruption with an oil company. At the same time Biden's Son Hunter Biden gets a position at the same company making roughly 83k a month. Or else, Biden would hold back US aid.

In short, Biden said call off the investigation, or else you won't get the 1 billion.

 

Trump on the other hand, is doing his job.

In the hearings it's been argued by the Republicans how just because someone is running for President, doesn't mean they should be above the law, while the Democrats repeated individually "No one is above the Law, not even the President" while ignoring any accusations against their Joe Biden.

The Democrat party is accusing Trump of what Biden is guilty of. At first they called it a Quid Pro Quo, but that wasn't working too well for them. They actually don't have a name for what Trump did, just abuse of power.

The Democrats in the house hearings were individually all saying the same thing like a script. "We're protecting democracy....We'll defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic" All of their accusations were rubber stamped and repeated over and over again with their hands over their ears. It's high quality cringe.

The Democrats voted in a landslide vote to impeach, while not 1 Republican in the house voted to Impeach.

Nancy Pelosi herself impeachment can only work with a bipartisan vote from both sides, but that did not happen. 

The truth in the matter is, both sides like being in office, but the Republicans are in the right here.

Democrats hate Trump with a passion. The kind of shit that went on in the past few months with Adam Schiff and intelligence, tapping a Republican's phone then hand feeding it to CNN. Abuse of power yet again, on top of it being illegal to invade someone's privacy. This is the real deep state you might have heard about in conspiracy theories.

President Kennedy wasn't the first to warn the public about this. Here's Kennedy literally exposing this and asking for help.

Secrecy. Yes that was a factor too in these hearings. The so called Whistleblower's identity was kept a secret behind closed door meetings with the Democrats. His claims are based on "hearsay" which means it's something he heard Trump did, and wasn't actually there. Last month the Democrats argued how hearsay is as evident as proof itself. Unbelievable.

There was a leak on who the whistleblower is, I would have to dig it up, but it is a registered Democrat who also works for intelligence. FBI I think, which of course would be the same branch of government that was caught illegally spying on the Trump campaign under Obama's rule. This person will be exposed to the Senate when they subpoena him or else it will be Adam Schiff's head and everyone else who was behind those closed door meetings. It amazes me how those who claim to defend the constitution, are the one's violating it over and over again.

- US Economy is on the rise.

- Lowest black unemployment in 50 years

- Jobs coming back home and pouring in.

- Everyone got tax breaks ( in the grand scheme people will spend more )

- Yes tax cuts for the rich is a good thing too, as they are the ones who employ and pay others by the millions and they are able to give raises or expand their operations resulting in more jobs.

- Stock market breaking all time high records after a 2009 recovery from recession and it's still going

- Progress with North Korea, though at the moment it's starting to get rocky again.

- Outlawing guns would only criminalize people, and pretty much the same bad people who have guns anyway would end up more powerful in an uneven field. By the constitution's 2nd amendment, the right to defend oneself is law.

In the case of abortion, it's still there, but it's not government funded. Why should taxpayers money go into such a thing while the US is trying to be the least socialist as possible ? Those who protest the government not supporting this, are people who had abortions, and probably will again. Democrats like it when masses turn to government for their problems, it just makes them more powerful while freedom gradually becomes an illusion.  

 

 

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This is what has the Democrats shaken.

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This is what has the Democrats shaken.

This is some crazy stuff. Some heads are going to roll on this one.

 

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Good said: 
Good said: 

What are the reasons the democrats put against him exactly?
I don't want to read mountains of SJW bullshit to get to the exact reasons, I don't care that much, so if someone can write them down for me, please do.

"Can someone who isn't with the side I don't like tell me what to think so that I don't have to do the research myself?"

Pretty typical of the modern age. 

From what I've seen and I've not looked for almost half a year now, no one has proved he did anything that would lead to a real impeachment, other than act like a SC troll.

I mean... what is "what you've seen"? You already stated that you don't feel like looking it up. 

Did you just see some comedians cover it at a few random points or something? 

Look, idc what you think about me. Answer my questions or don't bother responding.

Your response is as useless as most of the journalists reporting on the subject.

At least you know your own shortcomings then. I'd still recommend you look into it yourself. 

Spatial Mind said:
As rude as TC was toward you Good, he probably feels you struck first when you said you never wanted to read through SJW bullshit.

If it was Right Wing bullshit I'd have responded equally. If we're to see through any of the bullshit that's being thrown at us, we can't be connected to one party over the other too overtly or both sides' inner interests win. It's like when you throw in on Pepsi vs Coke, both businesses win from your participation through mutual companies regardless of how much better one of them tastes to you versus the other. 

I'm just getting tired of people walking in and wanting to be spoonfed answers to otherwise complicated subjects, especially if they run in with some idea of an enemy in their own uneducated standpoint. At the very least if someone's to be misinformed or otherwise incorrect, they could have some depth and independent research behind it. 

The reason why these topics get so long winded is over how much there is to cover. To not have it be so, to keep it overly simplified, is to do a disservice towards ourselves that robs us of the potential bigger picture. Effectively, his request is insulting outside of political affiliation, it's insulting as a matter of personal intelligence and autonomy. He should be willing to at least try a little harder than this if he's going to have any sense of investment in the subject instead of preferring to be told what to think and just rolling with it, as otherwise he's just a statistical tool, one who could stand to be just as thrown off as many other sad saps of the modern age like Cuck Spartan. 

It's inevitable that people will believe in incorrect information, but at the very least the foundational framework of it can show independent depth and effort with more integrity and understanding than just passively picking up what your "preferred side" wants you to think. In less words, he's allowing himself to become a host body for infectious hate germs through such baseline heuristics. 

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I'm not sold on the timing of this impeachment but if what the witnesses say is true then I do think it's the morally right thing to do. What both Spatial and Billy leave out is that Trump did not just push for his political opponent to be investigated, he also withheld military aid to make that happen. That's the important point, at least for me.

If Biden has done something similar then I consider that to be equally wrong. Does anyone have a link that goes more into depth about Biden's corruption?

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 What both Spatial and Billy leave out is that Trump did not just push for his political opponent to be investigated, he also withheld military aid to make that happen. That's the important point, at least for me.

 

Lets just assume this is true for now. Do you think the government of Ukraine will have an unfair investigation just to get the money? If so, this is a Ukraine issue not a Trump issue. No one is saying have an unfair investigation.

If Trump wants to hold back money to force a proper investigation, more power to him. Holding back money is not a impeachment crime. It's a presidential right.

The Dem's just don't like it because it is likely to incriminate the Bidens.

I mean WTF, what is Hunter Biden doing over there anyway. How did he get there?

BTW, US Aid is used for political means all the time. Aid money is never "free".

 

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Sven said: 

Lets just assume this is true for now. Do you think the government of Ukraine will have an unfair investigation just to get the money? If so, this is a Ukraine issue not a Trump issue. No one is saying have an unfair investigation.

This isn't about whether the investigation would've been fair or not. It's about the president using the state to go after his political opponents.

If Trump wants to hold back money to force a proper investigation, more power to him. Holding back money is not a impeachment crime. It's a presidential right.

It's not a presidential right to hold back money to force another country to investigate the president's political opponents.

The Dem's just don't like it because it is likely to incriminate the Bidens.

It's possible they dislike it for that reason but, again, you leave out the most obvious reason for why they'd be against Trump's actions here.

I mean WTF, what is Hunter Biden doing over there anyway. How did he get there?

I don't know. Does it matter?

BTW, US Aid is used for political means all the time. Aid money is never "free".

Don't you see the difference between the US using aid to leverage a benefit for the country vs Trump using US aid to leverage a benefit for himself?

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Sven said: 

Lets just assume this is true for now. Do you think the government of Ukraine will have an unfair investigation just to get the money? If so, this is a Ukraine issue not a Trump issue. No one is saying have an unfair investigation.

This isn't about whether the investigation would've been fair or not. It's about the president using the state to go after his political opponents.

If Trump wants to hold back money to force a proper investigation, more power to him. Holding back money is not a impeachment crime. It's a presidential right.

It's not a presidential right to hold back money to force another country to investigate the president's political opponents.

The Dem's just don't like it because it is likely to incriminate the Bidens.

It's possible they dislike it for that reason but, again, you leave out the most obvious reason for why they'd be against Trump's actions here.

I mean WTF, what is Hunter Biden doing over there anyway. How did he get there?

I don't know. Does it matter?

BTW, US Aid is used for political means all the time. Aid money is never "free".

Don't you see the difference between the US using aid to leverage a benefit for the country vs Trump using US aid to leverage a benefit for himself?

 "It's not a presidential right to hold back money to force another country to investigate the president's political opponents."

lol, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. no guns are pointing at any ones head. Ukraine can go elsewhere for financial help.

 

"Don't you see the difference between the US using aid to leverage a benefit for the country vs Trump using US aid to leverage a benefit for himself?"

This is about the country. This is about getting rid of a potential corrupt presidential nominees. Digging up dirt on politicions is normal and expected. If the Bidens are corrupt and have done crimes, expose them for the scum they are. I don't want criminals in office.

 

Now, lets turn this around. Why should  Ukraine not investigate the Bidens? Why should they not share this information with the world?

 

 

 

 

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Sven said: 

 "It's not a presidential right to hold back money to force another country to investigate the president's political opponents."

lol, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. no guns are pointing at any ones head. Ukraine can go elsewhere for financial help.

"try to force" then. But this line of reasoning misses the point: Trump uses the state to get at his political opponents. I would've thought it wrong even if Ukraine rejected the 'arrangement' out of hand.

"Don't you see the difference between the US using aid to leverage a benefit for the country vs Trump using US aid to leverage a benefit for himself?"

This is about the country. This is about getting rid of a potential corrupt presidential nominees. Digging up dirt on politicions is normal and expected. If the Bidens are corrupt and have done crimes, expose them for the scum they are. I don't want criminals in office.

Lol. It's not about the country. You're actually saying that it's normal for a president to get rid of 'potentially' (potentially being the keyword here) corrupt rivals this way? Do you have an example of this happening in the past? They should be numerous then.

Where's the proof Biden is corrupt? Or are you okay with a president using the state to push conspiracy theories that personally benefit them?

Now, lets turn this around. Why should  Ukraine not investigate the Bidens? Why should they not share this information with the world?

There's nothing to turn around. I've never said Ukraine shouldn't investigate the Bidens if they believe a crime has been committed. Of course they should.

Again, you're missing the point.

last edit on 12/21/2019 11:23:28 PM
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Sven said: 

 "It's not a presidential right to hold back money to force another country to investigate the president's political opponents."

lol, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. no guns are pointing at any ones head. Ukraine can go elsewhere for financial help.

"try to force" then. But this line of reasoning misses the point: Trump uses the state to get at his political opponents. I would've thought it wrong even if Ukraine rejected the 'arrangement' out of hand.

"Don't you see the difference between the US using aid to leverage a benefit for the country vs Trump using US aid to leverage a benefit for himself?"

This is about the country. This is about getting rid of a potential corrupt presidential nominees. Digging up dirt on politicions is normal and expected. If the Bidens are corrupt and have done crimes, expose them for the scum they are. I don't want criminals in office.

Lol. It's not about the country. You're actually saying that it's normal for a president to get rid of 'potentially' (potentially being the keyword here) corrupt rivals this way? Do you have an example of this happening in the past? They should be numerous then.

Where's the proof Biden is corrupt? Or are you okay with a president using the state to push conspiracy theories that personally benefit them?

Now, lets turn this around. Why should  Ukraine not investigate the Bidens? Why should they not share this information with the world?

There's nothing to turn around. I've never said Ukraine shouldn't investigate the Bidens if they believe a crime has been committed. Of course they should.

Again, you're missing the point.

 

 "But this line of reasoning misses the point: Trump uses the state to get at his political opponents."

His political opponents did this to themselves. Trump is just pointing it out and asked for an investigation.

No Trump crimes were identified during the impeachment. This is purely an ethics argument in opinion only.

 

 

 

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