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Sven said: 

His political opponents did this to themselves. Trump is just pointing it out and asked for an investigation.

No Trump crimes were identified during the impeachment. This is purely an ethics argument in opinion only.

In what way exactly did they do this to themselves?

Do you think a president should be allowed to push a foreign government to specifically investigate a person of interest to him without any actual proof of wrongdoing?

Regardless of innocence, this sets a dangerous precedent. Impeachment will forever be a broken system and expect every president from here on out to be impeached. 

And by the way, the burden of proof is placed on the acuser and they have not brought up sufficient evidence that Trump offered a quid pro quo deal. 

Inquirer said: 

Sven said: 

His political opponents did this to themselves. Trump is just pointing it out and asked for an investigation.

No Trump crimes were identified during the impeachment. This is purely an ethics argument in opinion only.

In what way exactly did they do this to themselves?

Do you think a president should be allowed to push a foreign government to specifically investigate a person of interest to him without any actual proof of wrongdoing?

Ukraine has some legal issues to look into. The suggested crimes happened on their soils. It's theirs. Maybe they will share their investigation with the US.

"Do you think a president should be allowed to push a foreign government to specifically investigate a person of interest to him without any actual proof of wrongdoing?"

No, proof would be a good thing to have before you take any action. I'm thinking there is high confidence that crimes actually occurred. We will see. I don't think its a bluff. This could also explain Biden's crazy public attack on a fat old guy that brought up the Ukraine issue. Biden was triggered hard. He's obviously under a ton of pressure.

If the impeachment articles ever get forwarded to the Senate, bet is, the Bidens have to take the stand under oath in front of the Senate. Perjury is a felony.

This is serious fucked up. lol

FOTS said: 

Regardless of innocence, this sets a dangerous precedent. Impeachment will forever be a broken system and expect every president from here on out to be impeached. 

You're erring a bit towards Slippery Slope fallacies here, and what, you'd argue instead that we ought to never use the impeachment function simply because it may be abused later? 

FOTS said: 

Regardless of innocence, this sets a dangerous precedent. Impeachment will forever be a broken system and expect every president from here on out to be impeached. 

And by the way, the burden of proof is placed on the acuser and they have not brought up sufficient evidence that Trump offered a quid pro quo deal. 

Right it will be broken.

Impeachment without crimes is just opinion, trying to undo an election by the people.

Turncoat said: 

FOTS said: 

Regardless of innocence, this sets a dangerous precedent. Impeachment will forever be a broken system and expect every president from here on out to be impeached. 

You're erring a bit towards Slippery Slope fallacies here, and what, you'd argue instead that we ought to never use the impeachment function simply because it may be abused later? 

 Not at all, im saying that its like opening pandoras box. Its something that shouldnt be used for purely political motivations. because now if there is a party that vehemently dislikes an election, theyll go right to impeachment. 

FOTS said: 

Regardless of innocence, this sets a dangerous precedent. Impeachment will forever be a broken system and expect every president from here on out to be impeached. 

Only if the conditions are set. Last time the Democrats got the house majority and not even a year went by before they sought to impeach the President.

Fortunately the Senate is a Republican majority giving the Republicans final say in the event the Dems submit the articles of impeachment. Dems would get denied and they know this, which is why Pelosi is fishing for terms before submitting it. For Democrats it's a stalemate until further notice. Trump will have impeachment lingering over his head but it's not happening. As you said earlier, Trump is not impeached.

I think more voters from now on will secure their votes by participating in House and Senate voting. 

It's still broken in the sense that can even happen, plus the Dems pretty much are insisting that a presidential candidate is immune to investigating with this stunt.

And by the way, the burden of proof is placed on the acuser and they have not brought up sufficient evidence that Trump offered a quid pro quo deal. 

 Some of those Democrats are guilty of worse, and that's coming to light very soon. It will be found that the Democrats were trying to prevent their own demise.

Inquirer said: 

Sven said: 

His political opponents did this to themselves. Trump is just pointing it out and asked for an investigation.

No Trump crimes were identified during the impeachment. This is purely an ethics argument in opinion only.

In what way exactly did they do this to themselves?

Do you think a president should be allowed to push a foreign government to specifically investigate a person of interest to him without any actual proof of wrongdoing?

 I posted proof and explained Biden's wrong doing Inq.

That is Joe Biden's quid pro quo with Ukraine, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. For more information read my other post.

Something the mainstream media is not covering is Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani going after the Democrats over this.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Rudy got assassinated. 

Why did Trump request Ukraine's new leader an investigation into Biden ? Rudy being his lawyer, he knows what they've done and he's gathering as much information about it as he can before the execution. Some democrats are afraid, and the most bitter of them are probably guilty as sin.

Spatial Mind said: 

I posted proof and explained Biden's wrong doing Inq.

That is Joe Biden's quid pro quo with Ukraine, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. For more information read my other post.

What about that is wrong? Biden carried out the official policy of the US government (not to benefit himself personally) by pressuring Ukraine to fire their corrupt prosecutor general.

"Mr. Giuliani has claimed, without evidence, that Mr. Biden’s push to oust Mr. Shokin was an attempt to block scrutiny of his son’s actions. In fact, Mr. Biden was just one of many officials calling for Mr. Shokin to go. Good-government activists were protesting his actions in the streets, as were eurozone power players like Christine Lagarde, then the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, along with Ms. Nuland and Senate Republicans.

“The position regarding getting rid of Shokin was not Vice President Biden’s position; it was the position of the U.S. government, as well as the European Union and international financial institutions,” said Amos J. Hochstein, former coordinator for international energy affairs at the State Department." - Link

Something the mainstream media is not covering is Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani going after the Democrats over this.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Rudy got assassinated. 

Why did Trump request Ukraine's new leader an investigation into Biden ? Rudy being his lawyer, he knows what they've done and he's gathering as much information about it as he can before the execution. Some democrats are afraid, and the most bitter of them are probably guilty as sin.

So, just like Billy, you're just accepting on faith that Trump and Giuliani has evidence for what they are claiming?

Sven said: 

Inquirer said: 

Sven said: 

His political opponents did this to themselves. Trump is just pointing it out and asked for an investigation.

No Trump crimes were identified during the impeachment. This is purely an ethics argument in opinion only.

In what way exactly did they do this to themselves?

Do you think a president should be allowed to push a foreign government to specifically investigate a person of interest to him without any actual proof of wrongdoing?

Ukraine has some legal issues to look into. The suggested crimes happened on their soils. It's theirs. Maybe they will share their investigation with the US.

Do they? So far all I've seen is Trump claiming Biden is corrupt and that he wants Ukraine to investigate.

And again, in what way did his political opponents (Bidens in this case) do this to themselves? Or have you already decided to believe they're corrupt?

"Do you think a president should be allowed to push a foreign government to specifically investigate a person of interest to him without any actual proof of wrongdoing?"

No, proof would be a good thing to have before you take any action. I'm thinking there is high confidence that crimes actually occurred. We will see. I don't think its a bluff. This could also explain Biden's crazy public attack on a fat old guy that brought up the Ukraine issue. Biden was triggered hard. He's obviously under a ton of pressure.

If the impeachment articles ever get forwarded to the Senate, bet is, the Bidens have to take the stand under oath in front of the Senate. Perjury is a felony.

This is serious fucked up. lol

You think there is high confidence, huh? And that's enough for you to accept the president going after his political opponents in this way? How far would a president have to go before you thought he abused his powers? What if Trump never provides any evidence for what he has claimed? Would you agree with impeachment then?

Personally I think Trump's action would've been wrong even if it was clear Biden had done corrupt dealings in Ukraine. This isn't something Trump should be doing himself either way, it blurs the line between official US policy and his own far too much. But now it's not clear Biden has done anything wrong. In fact, it just looks like one of Trump's many trademark conspiracy theories.