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๓໐๓๓ฯ said: 

How can she be taken seriously when she's that dramatic as her default? 

How can you not take it seriously when there's a shit load of evidence in her favor? 

Present it, the last time I looked it was flimsy. 

Heres the break in

A broken window, couldn't she have broken it? 

the wine glass incident

This seems more like a meme than a legit threat (the wine glass assassin )

Even with broken wine glasses like, really, oh nooooo. 

The messages 

59. Okay, property camping is a wee bit invasive yeah. I've got nothing here for that portion in particular. 

60. Not really damning, he's a depressed little dude. 

61. -cuts off before the story gets good-

This is the stuff where I'm like "...really?". 

He's clearly being passive aggressive here, as I said the last time you presented the texts. If this was more of a thing there'd be better examples than something this stretched for conclusions. 

Really, look at the melodrama, it makes it harder to take seriously. 

The creepy stalking of her social media(how he found she joins that fb group and took the same Japanese classes as her and also claimed her mom was his mom??

71. Not really anything other than fucking weird. I feel like a lot of him being disliked is plainly Character Evidence, which is pretty flimsy. 

72. Oh woe is her... 🎻

Was this screencap supposed to do more than paint a portrait of melodrama? 

And the settlement

Checking that now... 

Checking that later, I ought to do it when my focus is better. 

Also he basically creeped on a YouTubers fb to name all his family in an email, kinda like a 'i know how to use Facebook and now I know your fams names and stuff.' 

Has he done any worse than you have? 

Also come on, are you going to tell me Titanic is secretly this physically abusive person, and he only appears so tired to us because he just finished beatin' sum'bich? 

I think he's an emotionally abusive and manipulative person

I'm not arguing this part, but to see her as blameless is clear bias. 

I didn't say she was blameless? She has quite a temper and was hurling her own verbal abuse at him that was in text message too.

What would you say against her character? 

that snapped and resorted to violence when he found out that she was trying to go solo and work with other people. You're dismissing the messages where he tried to shift the blame of that onto her. 

Prove the violence beyond her wild claims. 

Pics up there of broken glasses, break ins and texts. Unfortunately I don't think there's a photo of her bruised face  but the settlement very clearly states that both parties will not stalk harass strike..etc

Taking some things that are proof as permission to jump to other conclusions is still jumping to conclusions. 

He can be a creepy stalker while having never really hit her. It could have been a sissy slap and she'd be acting like it was a balled up fist. 

Do you see him keeping Poppy "In Line" similarly, and that's why she's such a robot? 

He wasn't keeping Mars in line, he was physically venting his frustration on her...by punching her in the face. 

Do we have more than IMs of her yelling about it this far along in the story, or are we where we were the last time we argued this? 

The lawsuit? Her confronting him with his cheating, the pictures she took of him breaking in, the fact that he's shown up at her place 

The stalking's the only truly damning thing imo. 

Poppy and him are the same type of person and want money and fame, their shit is aligned and there's no need to keep her "in line".

She's such a talented robot, and they both respect contracts. 

They even got a trip to Japan out of it. It's hilarious to see them trying to justify how it was supposed to help her music when they otherwise sounded more like they just wanted an excuse to travel to somewhere trendy. 

 He'd gone to Japan before tho, with Mars ..? Did he not?

No idea. 

Turncoat said: 

๓໐๓๓ฯ said: 

How can she be taken seriously when she's that dramatic as her default? 

How can you not take it seriously when there's a shit load of evidence in her favor? 

Present it, the last time I looked it was flimsy. 

Heres the break in

A broken window, couldn't she have broken it? 

the wine glass incident

This seems more like a meme than a legit threat (the wine glass assassin )

Even with broken wine glasses like, really, oh nooooo. 

😩 You got it before my edit 

The messages 

59. Okay, property camping is a wee bit invasive yeah. I've got nothing here for that portion in particular. 

60. Not really damning, he's a depressed little dude. 

61. -cuts off before the story gets good-

60. Dude really.

This is the stuff where I'm like "...really?". 

He's clearly being passive aggressive here, as I said the last time you presented the texts. If this was more of a thing there'd be better examples than something this stretched for conclusions. 

Really, look at the melodrama, it makes it harder to take seriously. 

You really just going to ignore that he didn't deny it and even goes as far to say it wasn't her fault...

The creepy stalking of her social media(how he found she joins that fb group and took the same Japanese classes as her and also claimed her mom was his mom??

71. Not really anything other than fucking weird. I feel like a lot of him being disliked is plainly Character Evidence, which is pretty flimsy. 

72. Oh woe is her... 🎻

Was this screencap supposed to do more than paint a portrait of melodrama? 

Social Media stalking, ya nerd. 

And the settlement

Checking that now... 

Checking that later, I ought to do it when my focus is better. 

Also he basically creeped on a YouTubers fb to name all his family in an email, kinda like a 'i know how to use Facebook and now I know your fams names and stuff.' 

Has he done any worse than you have? 

Are we now going to talk about me? Because we can, I love talking about me~

Also come on, are you going to tell me Titanic is secretly this physically abusive person, and he only appears so tired to us because he just finished beatin' sum'bich? 

I think he's an emotionally abusive and manipulative person

I'm not arguing this part, but to see her as blameless is clear bias. 

I didn't say she was blameless? She has quite a temper and was hurling her own verbal abuse at him that was in text message too.

What would you say against her character? 

Shes definitely a tantrum in girl form, she comes from a place of money where he does not and couldn't understand how this would hurt him as well seeing as it was a joint character. Her changing the passwords and keeping the money from stuff they both did is utter shitty of her I'm not going on your level and saying she contributed nothing else other than her 'artful whinging'

that snapped and resorted to violence when he found out that she was trying to go solo and work with other people. You're dismissing the messages where he tried to shift the blame of that onto her. 

Prove the violence beyond her wild claims. 

Pics up there of broken glasses, break ins and texts. Unfortunately I don't think there's a photo of her bruised face  but the settlement very clearly states that both parties will not stalk harass strike..etc

Taking some things that are proof as permission to jump to other conclusions is still jumping to conclusions. 

He can be a creepy stalker while having never really hit her. It could have been a sissy slap and she'd be acting like it was a balled up fist. 

He would have still hit her in your scenario. I'm not sure you're understanding that. 

Do you see him keeping Poppy "In Line" similarly, and that's why she's such a robot? 

He wasn't keeping Mars in line, he was physically venting his frustration on her...by punching her in the face. 

Do we have more than IMs of her yelling about it this far along in the story, or are we where we were the last time we argued this? 

The lawsuit? Her confronting him with his cheating, the pictures she took of him breaking in, the fact that he's shown up at her place 

The stalking's the only truly damning thing imo. 

You really don't think stalkers can escalate?

๓໐๓๓ฯ said: 

😩 You got it before my edit 

56. Puts a whole new meaning on "Delete Your Facebook". 

57. Oh noooo... 

60. Not really damning, he's a depressed little dude. 

60. Dude really.

Fo'rilz. 

Do you know how many people do cries for help like this? This is padding. 

This is the stuff where I'm like "...really?". 

He's clearly being passive aggressive here, as I said the last time you presented the texts. If this was more of a thing there'd be better examples than something this stretched for conclusions. 

Really, look at the melodrama, it makes it harder to take seriously. 

You really just going to ignore that he didn't deny it and even goes as far to say it wasn't her fault...

He didn't address the hitting point at all, he's passive aggressively dismissing her. 

Don't you figure there'd be other texts about it if it was really such a thing? This looks like a stretch for additional padding. 

Don't get me wrong, their shit together is clearly toxic, but as a comprehensive case a lot of the tacked on details are not really supporting him being someone who's really assaulting people. 

The creepy stalking of her social media(how he found she joins that fb group and took the same Japanese classes as her and also claimed her mom was his mom??

71. Not really anything other than fucking weird. I feel like a lot of him being disliked is plainly Character Evidence, which is pretty flimsy. 

72. Oh woe is her... 🎻

Was this screencap supposed to do more than paint a portrait of melodrama? 

Social Media stalking, ya nerd. 

Oh noooo... 

Has he done any worse than you have? 

Are we now going to talk about me? Because we can, I love talking about me~

Just saying you're taking a lot of time to paint this character negatively over things where you've gone further than he has. 

In one hand, it's no big deal, but when it's to prove how much of a victim Mars is it's suddenly worth jumping to conclusions over oddball antics? 

Also come on, are you going to tell me Titanic is secretly this physically abusive person, and he only appears so tired to us because he just finished beatin' sum'bich? 

I think he's an emotionally abusive and manipulative person

I'm not arguing this part, but to see her as blameless is clear bias. 

I didn't say she was blameless? She has quite a temper and was hurling her own verbal abuse at him that was in text message too.

What would you say against her character? 

Shes definitely a tantrum in girl form, she comes from a place of money where he does not and couldn't understand how this would hurt him as well seeing as it was a joint character. Her changing the passwords and keeping the money from stuff they both did is utter shitty of her I'm not going on your level and saying she contributed nothing else other than her 'artful whinging'

It was "Artful Whining", and that was about her singing voice. 

It's why I like her voice better than Poppy's. Poppy media goes to better places, but her voice has better range with a signature sound. 

that snapped and resorted to violence when he found out that she was trying to go solo and work with other people. You're dismissing the messages where he tried to shift the blame of that onto her. 

Prove the violence beyond her wild claims. 

Pics up there of broken glasses, break ins and texts. Unfortunately I don't think there's a photo of her bruised face  but the settlement very clearly states that both parties will not stalk harass strike..etc

Taking some things that are proof as permission to jump to other conclusions is still jumping to conclusions. 

He can be a creepy stalker while having never really hit her. It could have been a sissy slap and she'd be acting like it was a balled up fist. 

He would have still hit her in your scenario. I'm not sure you're understanding that. 

As a matter of character. 

Would you put a sissy slap on the same tier as hitting with a balled up fist? I'd call upon degrees and try to figure where it's really an offense worth note beyond court settlement fees for additional traction against him in their case. 

Do you see him keeping Poppy "In Line" similarly, and that's why she's such a robot? 

He wasn't keeping Mars in line, he was physically venting his frustration on her...by punching her in the face. 

Do we have more than IMs of her yelling about it this far along in the story, or are we where we were the last time we argued this? 

The lawsuit? Her confronting him with his cheating, the pictures she took of him breaking in, the fact that he's shown up at her place 

The stalking's the only truly damning thing imo. 

You really don't think stalkers can escalate?

So because any stalker could escalate, you figure he would? 

Breaking into the house seems serious, especially parallel to the picture he sent her outside of her door. It's a he-said-she-said story as far as physical violence goes. Though it doesn't look like he denies it in the texts...

Tryptamine said: 

Breaking into the house seems serious, especially parallel to the picture he sent her outside of her door.

Yes. 

It's a he-said-she-said story as far as physical violence goes.

Exactly. 

Though it doesn't look like he denies it in the texts...

With his dismissive speech in the texts there and without other former texts, we lack a lot of context. 

He doesn't address the point, he just lets it slide. Imagine someone being dramatic like that almost all the time, wouldn't you find it easier to brush it off instead of directly address it like it's new every single time? 

They appear to be mid-argument, it's just noting a specific instance and trying to stretch it to mean more than it actually shows on it's own. 

Turncoat said:

He doesn't address the point, he just lets it slide. Imagine someone being dramatic like that almost all the time, wouldn't you find it easier to brush it off instead of directly address it like it's new every single time? 

Yep. My sense is that if anything did happen, it's not like he Falcon Punch'd her and left any kind of mark for a court case. Not saying that light physical assault is alright, but it is something that can happen when the passions light up.

Turncoat said: 

Tryptamine said: 

Breaking into the house seems serious, especially parallel to the picture he sent her outside of her door.

Yes. 

It's a he-said-she-said story as far as physical violence goes.

Exactly. 

Though it doesn't look like he denies it in the texts...

With his dismissive speech in the texts there and without other former texts, we lack a lot of context. 

He doesn't address the point, he just lets it slide. Imagine someone being dramatic like that almost all the time, wouldn't you find it easier to brush it off instead of directly address it like it's new every single time? 

 But your only arguments for not believing her is "she's dramatic therefore I don't believe her" and "he's basically a tranq twig, even if he did hit her it would be like a sissy slap." 

He's also very dramatic,  as he was also the only one blasting her on social media while she remained quiet. Once word of the lawsuit got out he started again and deleted tweets as did poppy. He also stated that he shone a bright light on her talents when they had actually both found each other online wanted to collaborate and then became a couple while doing so, with her own family funding the project AND THEN WHEN HE HEARS SHES GONNA GO UNDER THE NAME 'GUPPY' HE MAKES A SONG WITH THE SAME NAME BEING REALLLLLLL DRAMATIC

I think I'm going on reasonable facts of the case while you're just going on how he couldn't have possibly done it cos he's lacking muscle mass? 

๓໐๓๓ฯ said: 

Turncoat said: 

Tryptamine said: 

Breaking into the house seems serious, especially parallel to the picture he sent her outside of her door.

Yes. 

It's a he-said-she-said story as far as physical violence goes.

Exactly. 

Though it doesn't look like he denies it in the texts...

With his dismissive speech in the texts there and without other former texts, we lack a lot of context. 

He doesn't address the point, he just lets it slide. Imagine someone being dramatic like that almost all the time, wouldn't you find it easier to brush it off instead of directly address it like it's new every single time? 

But your only arguments for not believing her is "she's dramatic therefore I don't believe her" and "he's basically a tranq twig, even if he did hit her it would be like a sissy slap." 

My argument is putting the burden of evidence on you to make it look like it's more than something blown wildly out of proportion when it came to violence. 

Nice work making him look creepy, but nothing's actually advanced the plot for his violence. 

He's also very dramatic,  as he was also the only one blasting her on social media while she remained quiet.

The point of showcasing how dramatic she is wasn't to simply sit there and say "Drama makes them guilty", it's to question the severity of her so-called evidence when we lack a lot of details. 

Once word of the lawsuit got out he started again and deleted tweets as did poppy.

Seems like how a fearful person'd respond even if they really didn't have anything worth hiding by an outside point of view. 

He also stated that he shone a bright light on her talents when they had actually both found each other online wanted to collaborate and then became a couple while doing so

So he has a misunderstanding of where the talent comes from, is that proof of violence? 

with her own family funding the project AND THEN WHEN HE HEARS SHES GONNA GO UNDER THE NAME 'GUPPY' HE MAKES A SONG WITH THE SAME NAME BEING REALLLLLLL DRAMATIC

Do you know how many musicians and other artists have made material that was a commentary either on other artists or their exes? 

I think I'm going on reasonable facts of the case while you're just going on how he couldn't have possibly done it cos he's lacking muscle mass? 

My argument's theme is that this is some dramatic mountains out of molehills shit, and that taking sides in this with how little we have is silly, while the actual argument is over his history of violence. 

Again, you did wonders for painting his character, but we aren't any closer to figuring out the violence angle beyond two sets of opposing character evidence. 

Turncoat said: 

My argument is putting the burden of evidence on you to make it look like it's more than something blown wildly out of proportion when it came to violence. 

Nice work making him look creepy, but nothing's actually advanced the plot for his violence. 

There's no definitive proof, that's where the buck stops for me.

60. Not really damning, he's a depressed little dude. 

60. Dude really.

Fo'rilz. 

Do you know how many people do cries for help like this? This is padding. 

You for real think her breaking up with him and him sending her suicide messages isn't emotionally manipulative? 

This is the stuff where I'm like "...really?". 

He's clearly being passive aggressive here, as I said the last time you presented the texts. If this was more of a thing there'd be better examples than something this stretched for conclusions. 

Really, look at the melodrama, it makes it harder to take seriously. 

You really just going to ignore that he didn't deny it and even goes as far to say it wasn't her fault...

He didn't address the hitting point at all, he's passive aggressively dismissing her. 

Don't you figure there'd be other texts about it if it was really such a thing? This looks like a stretch for additional padding. 

Its from his message perspective...

Don't get me wrong, their shit together is clearly toxic, but as a comprehensive case a lot of the tacked on details are not really supporting him being someone who's really assaulting people. 

What would it take for you to believe it? On video evidence of him hitting her?

 

Has he done any worse than you have? 

Are we now going to talk about me? Because we can, I love talking about me~

Just saying you're taking a lot of time to paint this character negatively over things where you've gone further than he has. 

In one hand, it's no big deal, but when it's to prove how much of a victim Mars is it's suddenly worth jumping to conclusions over oddball antics? 

I've also admitted to being a 'bad' person for this, it's still bad and I think it's poor form to try to redirect it to me 🙃

resorted to violence when he found out that she was trying to go solo and work with other people. You're dismissing the messages where he tried to shift the blame of that onto her. 

Prove the violence beyond her wild claims. 

Pics up there of broken glasses, break ins and texts. Unfortunately I don't think there's a photo of her bruised face  but the settlement very clearly states that both parties will not stalk harass strike..etc

Taking some things that are proof as permission to jump to other conclusions is still jumping to conclusions. 

He can be a creepy stalker while having never really hit her. It could have been a sissy slap and she'd be acting like it was a balled up fist. 

He would have still hit her in your scenario. I'm not sure you're understanding that. 

As a matter of character. 

Would you put a sissy slap on the same tier as hitting with a balled up fist? I'd call upon degrees and try to figure where it's really an offense worth note beyond court settlement fees for additional traction against him in their case. 

If you put your hands on someone, that's assault. 

Do you see him keeping Poppy "In Line" similarly, and that's why she's such a robot? 

He wasn't keeping Mars in line, he was physically venting his frustration on her...by punching her in the face. 

Do we have more than IMs of her yelling about it this far along in the story, or are we where we were the last time we argued this? 

The lawsuit? Her confronting him with his cheating, the pictures she took of him breaking in, the fact that he's shown up at her place 

The stalking's the only truly damning thing imo. 

You really don't think stalkers can escalate?

So because any stalker could escalate, you figure he would? 

 I think it's in the realm of possibility and considering he broke in, camped infront of and broke her wine glasses it's not a far leap