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Tryptamine said: 

 

i would say be careful when you get blurred vision. neurological effects can be serious. don’t be a purist; you can always redo this experiment. if you gave up now or “cheated” a bit with some broth, i don’t think that’s a bad thing. the blurred vision concerns me a bit. i respect the resolve though, even watching food videos lol

To be clear, I was having blurry vision for a few months before the fasting, but it's gone now. 

I'm still nearsighted. By law I have to wear glasses when I drive though I can drive without them. The glasses give me excellent long distance vision. 

carnivore diet should be interesting for you. i always been 80-90% meat my whole life. i get sick maybe one day a year. i think a lot of it comes down to genetics though. like if there was a dairy diet, i would die from lactose intolerance. our bodies handle shit differently. that gets into looking at biomarkers. figuring out what gives u energy and if u fear cancer from red meat (though you can always just eat more chicken, fish, etc. i would even be eating crickets, maybe i can find some out here).

I love noodles and pastas, which gets converted into sugar when we digest it. I also like bread.

It's the sugar we need to avoid the most, it's dangerous. As men we really need to start watching what we eat in our 40's. Once in awhile I'll treat myself to these unhealthy things, unless I have no desire for them. But damn, I love pizza too. I swear an evil force invented our best dishes. 

indians initially avoided red meat because of the fatiguing effect; i think that played into how the cow worship started. and i think there is something to how too much of something that fatigues you initially is bad. i know jordan peterson is on that beef diet but he must be sparing with it or something.

Peterson and his daughter both swear by it. The man listed a bunch of ailments he had that simply vanished. I've watched a lot of carnivore youtubers looking lean and boasting about how healthy they are. Even if the meat is fatty we still get lean. I fry my steaks with black pepper.  

This looks like a nice recipe for a cheat day. If it's as good as the real deal, I'll settle for this. 

ya 15 days fasting is crazy, especially considering i doubt ur body ever been thru something like this. i would be a shitty person if i didnt suggest u at least get some other nutrients during blurred vision. that’s pretty wild lol

 Not to this extreme no, but I've had days where I was broke and not living at home and struggling to make ends meet. Everything I made went into rent and I was in survival mode, eating pasta with margarine. Or I'd use flour and water to make these cheap ass dumplings, with that you can imagine I never ate much. I became really thin during that time.

It's all psychological. Soon I'll see how I perform when I get to eat again, gonna have to take it easy cause I want to eat and make everything in my food shorts playlist.

For real dude, don't hurt yourself. 

I've had more success with my health by riding a bike and a daily dog walk, fasting actually hurt me in the long run. 

Golden_Eagle said:

I swear an evil force invented our best dishes.

There is room to actually prove that within the confines of religion. Most of the food we eat is no longer 'of God'. 

Pizza is wicked addictive based on how the salt and sugar interact with eachother when introduced to heat. You see this formula in a lot of faster food over how it ensures a captive audience, and even our bread in The West has significantly more sugar in it than most other countries. Even it's color design is meant to elicit hunger (the combination of yellow and red), it's a diabolical trap. 

Our food is legitimately addictive, your gut feeling there isn't wrong. The Matrix makes a very fun point on how food is used as a method of controlling people, and from my time I'd spent as a health nut with a psychology degree I became a little conspiratorial about national food practices. 

Turncoat said: 

For real dude, don't hurt yourself. 

I've had more success with my health by riding a bike and a daily dog walk, fasting actually hurt me in the long run. 

Well you were trying to self harm. Fasting makes us dehydrate pretty quickly.

I was dizzy today, something never felt right. Maybe my body was upset. Piss came out dark. That's a sign of dehydration. 

Because of the fasting it's kinda hard to drink water without feeling full. I drink a cup, and I don't want it. I forced myself to drink more. Now I feel better and my piss was nice and bright.

I'm also going to start taking the liquid supplement once a day again. 

Golden_Eagle said:

I swear an evil force invented our best dishes.

There is room to actually prove that within the confines of religion. Most of the food we eat is no longer 'of God'. 

Pizza is wicked addictive based on how the salt and sugar interact with eachother when introduced to heat. You see this formula in a lot of faster food over how it ensures a captive audience, and even our bread in The West has significantly more sugar in it than most other countries. Even it's color design is meant to elicit hunger (the combination of yellow and red), it's a diabolical trap. 

Our food is legitimately addictive, your gut feeling there isn't wrong. The Matrix makes a very fun point on how food is used as a method of controlling people, and from my time I'd spent as a health nut with a psychology degree I became a little conspiratorial about national food practices. 

 Makes sense. The best food is only the best by taste, not by health, and it's killing us. 

Diet is almost everything. We need to discover new recipes and use new ingredients or do something differently. Either that or limit eating the finest food. Even a cheap pack of ramen noodles is dangerous, and it can be made into a masterpiece with little effort. 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Turncoat said: 

For real dude, don't hurt yourself. 

I've had more success with my health by riding a bike and a daily dog walk, fasting actually hurt me in the long run. 

Well you were trying to self harm. Fasting makes us dehydrate pretty quickly.

That is indeed a factor, but I've seen people who were doing it for other reasons hurt themselves similarly and worse. 

Fasting is one of those areas where there's no shame in giving up, as a diet at least is more about adjusting your peaks and valleys rather than completely abstaining. Having just enough food to keep the engine going shows more progress generally than complete avoidance, as the body takes the lack of food otherwise as somewhat of a Waking Hibernation; You hold onto every pound your body doesn't immediately purge from you. 

I was dizzy today, something never felt right. Maybe my body was upset. Piss came out dark. That's a sign of dehydration. 

That also technically means you're detoxifying by pissing out all the impurities that do your body no benefits, but water helps move that along. If you dehydrate too far you can start to get solid deposits where normally a channel of liquid would help with it. 

Past a point of my death-fast I stopped needing to use the restroom at all, and like many who've had a period like this I've mostly lost if not abnormally dulled my ability to feel when I'm hungry. Now even with trying to be healthy I have to remind myself to eat, because I don't really notice it anymore after basically breaking it. 

Because of the fasting it's kinda hard to drink water without feeling full. I drink a cup, and I don't want it. I forced myself to drink more. Now I feel better and my piss was nice and bright.

The "I don't want it" is the scariest part imo, it becomes a combination of willpower and the body rejecting what it once accepted more readily. It also doesn't help that the body is releasing a ton during that time that can become mildly addictive as a sensation, similar to how a Runner's High can be enjoyable. 

I've since then found it harder to make myself eat than it was to let myself starve, some part of the "food makes me feel sick" quality never fully went away. Many anorexics I knew once they tried eating again became the very fat people they saw in nightmares, but past a point it was that or die. 

I'm also going to start taking the liquid supplement once a day again. 

Good, don't make my mistakes, especially when mine were literally meant to kill me. 

I kept a vitamin water in every room in case I proved to be "a quitter", and that's eventually how I snapped out of it in a near-fugue state weeks in. I'd lost over 30 pounds but my body was somewhat irreversibly damaged. 

Golden_Eagle said:

I swear an evil force invented our best dishes.

There is room to actually prove that within the confines of religion. Most of the food we eat is no longer 'of God'. 

Pizza is wicked addictive based on how the salt and sugar interact with eachother when introduced to heat. You see this formula in a lot of faster food over how it ensures a captive audience, and even our bread in The West has significantly more sugar in it than most other countries. Even it's color design is meant to elicit hunger (the combination of yellow and red), it's a diabolical trap. 

Our food is legitimately addictive, your gut feeling there isn't wrong. The Matrix makes a very fun point on how food is used as a method of controlling people, and from my time I'd spent as a health nut with a psychology degree I became a little conspiratorial about national food practices. 

 Makes sense. The best food is only the best by taste, not by health, and it's killing us. 

Diet is almost everything. We need to discover new recipes and use new ingredients or do something differently. Either that or limit eating the finest food. 

These days people don't want to change their lifestyles so much as have their food consumed do the heavy lifting for them. Gluten-Free, avoiding Trans-fats, avoiding Red Meat, while these are contributing factors it tends to be more of a cope to avoid heavy exercise. When I couldn't afford meat during my lawsuit I was in I saw those pounds shed, but without exercise the results won't stick (I gained it all back after the court case was done). 

All you have to do is go to another country and those pounds start shedding like crazy. I saw one of my colleagues move to South Korea to tutor children in English and after living there a year she lost like half of her body weight while looking fit rather than disheveled. Even for myself I was in pretty damn good shape back then from the demands of travel and the food being an ally. 

When water is replaced with Juice and Soda, and even our Bread is trying to kill us (compared to the bread of other countries), the problem becomes Systemic. 

Even a cheap pack of ramen noodles is dangerous, and it can be made into a masterpiece with little effort. 

I had a roommate who tried to live on the stuff, and in time he began to show traits of Narcolepsy among other Fatigue-like symptoms. 

The sheer amount of sodium in that stuff is crazy. 

Personally though, the scariest thing I find about food practices as a country is that said food is used to control wide populations of people's behaviors. Once you throw food into the mix a lot of it is 'cause and effect', and certain fast food both satisfies emotion and makes them sleepier and heavier. It's a socially acceptable vice, but when you aspire to become a nutritionist you realize that the government is putting drugs in our food as an acceptable norm. 

Our food via mass market, by design, is pacifying us. Go to another country or even hit up a Farmer's Market and food becomes food again. You actually feel full after surprisingly few bites, compared to Western food where you end up at points hungrier than you started. 



I think Lana Wachowski shares a lot of similar concerns, her media reads as philosophically conspiratorially Schizo-Shit when you go into the depths of it and those are the lot that tend to take this threat more seriously (numerous episodes I had when I was younger mirrored this). Even the fourth movie has her essentially use Neo as a self portrait of suffering based on Systems of Control, on some level having her art and her life bleed together to suspect a true Matrix.

Even this scene is meant to demonstrate how The Oracle manipulates the Red Pills through cookies (she even smokes cigarettes, as a program), how Agent Smith manipulates Cipher through a delicious rare cooked steak, Red/Blue pill is another consumable, and even harkens back to "The Fruit of Knowledge", The Apple.

I've even seen more social success than not in my own life by offering people candy mid-conversation, just like The Oracle did in the second film. This occurred to me to do more after having worked as a freelance Free Sampler at grocery stores; It's remarkably effective as a matter of converting naive minds towards brand awareness and brand attachments through behavioral controls and the illusion of choice. Food is a common symbol of change and control in people and Lana is surprisingly religious if you look at the themes within her work. 

Proverbs 29:4-5 – Beware the man who comes bearing gifts and invoking flattering words.

It also puts an interesting spin on religions that ban the consumption of certain food, perhaps they saw the problems even that far back? The problem of course is that none of those texts could predict what our food would evolve into, none of it resembles it's original form and, in fact, a surprising amount of it was originally inedible until reprogrammed through neotenized farming practices (avacados, strawberries, apples, bananas, carrots, watermelon, almonds...). If this food were around when The Bible was written you know damn well they'd be having The Culinary Arts placed next to their demonizing of Divination and False Faith. 

lol trump is not a christian you asshole bird. he can't even say that shit straight when he stirs up religious feelings to get retards like you to feel all sentimental and bullshit.

Some of the same brands are in Canada but the product is a different version. Heinz ketchup for example isn't as bad here.

Corporations like to put out products they can patent and they like to find ways to lower the cost of production, so they end up using additives that aren't all that healthy to consume. 

Obama signed a bill, I forgot which one, that makes the FDA complient with the WTO, so whatever the WTO wants to market, they can without the FDA being able to do anything about it. FDA is also corrupt on it's own as it concerns itself with surpressing alternative medicines that aren't patented controlled and distributed by big pharma.

A passage in the book of Leviticus warns us not to plant seeds in the same area, which i found could lead to undesirable hybrids. Fine to experiment with, which is how we have carrots. Monsanto took that to a whole new level. Can't remember when was the last time I had grapes or watermelon that had seeds.

Golden_Eagle said: 

Some of the same brands are in Canada but the product is a different version. Heinz ketchup for example isn't as bad here.

Corporations like to put out products they can patent and they like to find ways to lower the cost of production, so they end up using additives that aren't all that healthy to consume. 

It's more than that. As much as sodium began moreso as a preservative, we since getting refrigeration could have effectively discontinued it's use save for that of import/exporting. 

I'd go a step further and say western food practices are designed with controlling a population in mind. It's the more politically correct way to control populations of people, similarly to how the government oversaw liquor stores being installed into poor neighborhoods followed by getting them hooked on crack. 

When both sides agree on something in corporate politics I am immediately suspicious, and one of the areas both Trump and Biden could agree on was marijuana bills followed by market trends trying to get people to take euphoric mushrooms (rather than psychedelic ones). Both of those people, both of them, have a history with disliking drugs based on issues with members of their own family and it reflected in their former politics, and we're just supposed to accept that they both "came around" rather than it being to pacify populations? 

Obama signed a bill, I forgot which one, that makes the FDA complient with the WTO, so whatever the WTO wants to market, they can without the FDA being able to do anything about it. FDA is also corrupt on it's own as it concerns itself with surpressing alternative medicines that aren't patented controlled and distributed by big pharma.

A passage in the book of Leviticus warns us not to plant seeds in the same area, which i found could lead to undesirable hybrids.

Neotenized plant structures and crossbreeding of plants are indeed not of God's design. 

Arguably very few things we have around now resemble their original design, if anything their flavors and nutrients have become so exaggerated that they're addictive to behold. If it's not grown this way we cultivate it there instead via cooking, baking, etc. 

Humans have done insane amounts of things to food, it's super crazy to look at food history. The Garden of Eden supposedly had every food we'd ever need, and overtime it wasn't enough. Even when released from there, Adam/Eve were told how to hunt and cook food, how to wear furs to be warm, not how to twist the planet into an unrecognizable shape. 

Fine to experiment with, which is how we have carrots.

Carrots were purple, avacados before were a gigantic seed with a small lickable layer of fat, strawberries were dry and unsweet, bananas used to have huge seeds with a nearly inedible pulp, most of our food's been mutated this way to make it better.

It's wild how people have mutated what was given to us on this Earth into something closer to human desire. 

Monsanto took that to a whole new level. Can't remember when was the last time I had grapes or watermelon that had seeds.

I've seen them with seeds but it's dependent on brand. 

Seedless fruit though is such a crazy idea, it goes against everything natural about fruit. 

It's the beginning of day 23.

Yesterday I was feeling nauseous. I kinda still do. It seemed like I was pissing every 3 hours. 

Sometimes I'd feel like I need to piss, then just a little comes out. It's been said if we drink too much water we'll piss out all of our electrolytes, which isn't good. 

Hopped out of the hot showed and I felt extremely dizzy. I figured I must be low on electrolytes, as they help us retain water, so I started taking the ElectroMag powder mix, and will be taking them until the end of the fast, and I feel much better now. I feel this triggered my digestive system though, kinda felt hungry for the first time, maybe I should let it dissolve in boiling water then drink it like tea.

7 more days to go. I'm going to start breaking the fast on Saturday. 3 days of broth and watermelon, and maybe some other soft fruit. After that I'm going to eat like crazy, or at least I think I am. I'm probably going to get full very easily granted how difficult it is to drink a lot of water. Will need to train and possibly keep taking the supplement for awhile, or else I might keep pissing prematurely.  I'm wearing these pajama pants and they don't stay on anymore. Gonna need a new wardrobe. When I look in the mirror I look kinda ill, though some skin issues I have are significantly better and will most likely be gone in the near future. 

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Fasting is very depressing. Food plays a vital role in our happiness. It's not just the social aspect of it, it releases dopamine. I haven't been getting any of that and everything seems very boring now. Movies, music, games, politics, videos that was supposed to amuse or educate seem dumb and meaningless. Crypto is looking good and I've made some okay moves, however, it's all boring. I still do these things seeking to fill a void. Talking to people is the best, plus I'm isolated. In the past 22 days I've only made contact with another person twice, which made me very upbeat in ways that aren't normal. This changed me it seems. I passed up on attending a friend's Mother's 70th Birthday party, ( people who think very highly of me) and now I guess I've have to deal with that when I can later. Can't wait till this is over. 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Sometimes I'd feel like I need to piss, then just a little comes out. 

The kegals get a little funny when you change up your routines. 

Hopped out of the hot showed and I felt extremely dizzy. I figured I must be low on electrolytes, as they help us retain water, so I started taking the ElectroMag powder mix, and will be taking them until the end of the fast, and I feel much better now. I feel this triggered my digestive system though, kinda felt hungry for the first time, maybe I should let it dissolve in boiling water then drink it like tea.

Technically doing said powder mix defeats the purpose of fasting, but I also with how you're describing this think you're entering the unhealthy stages of it. 

3 days of broth and watermelon, and maybe some other soft fruit. After that I'm going to eat like crazy, or at least I think I am. I'm probably going to get full very easily granted how difficult it is to drink a lot of water. 

As I said for my own recovery, milkshakes were seriously God-Sent. 

I tried to eat even a single asian dumpling and got violently ill on my day after I eneded my death-fast, and I had to retrain my digestive system to not be a horrible mess. It was then that I truly understood the Anorexic struggle; The body begins to turn down food. 

Your stomach will have shrunk and your body will be less adjusted to the digestive process. Once at that torturous midground you'll feel hungry when not eating and fucking sick as shit when you do. 

Will need to train and possibly keep taking the supplement for awhile, or else I might keep pissing prematurely.  I'm wearing these pajama pants and they don't stay on anymore. Gonna need a new wardrobe. When I look in the mirror I look kinda ill, though some skin issues I have are significantly better and will most likely be gone in the near future. 

The weight comes back, fairly quickly too once you're back on your routine instead of pushing past the sick. 

Fasting isn't worth it imo, other than as a mental reset and a learning experience at most. 

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Fasting is very depressing. Food plays a vital role in our happiness.

Yes, this exactly. Food and Sleep are foundational to enjoyment and satisfaction, and when drained of those resources it's similar to how burnt out someone can feel from doing drugs. The brain is like a sponge, and if you don't moisturize said sponge there'll be no liquid to squeeze out of it. 

This is why certain products, like caffeine and cigarettes, can really fuck that sponge up. 

Being without food is an easy epiphany for the impacts they have as can drastically changing up your diet. Suddenly areas that were once numbed by your diet become demanding, and you begin to recognize those sensations. The difference between "I need sweets" versus "I need salt" isn't as standout until experimenting with diet, and can actually help through that recognition how people can fall into Craving Loops. 

I haven't been getting any of that and everything seems very boring now. Movies, music, games, politics, videos that was supposed to amuse or educate seem dumb and meaningless.

This is what Long Term Insomnia begins to feel like too. 

It's likely a major determining factor for what made me Nihilistic growing up, sleep and nutrition are super fucking important and that can't be stressed enough. 

 Crypto is looking good and I've made some okay moves, however, it's all boring. I still do these things seeking to fill a void. Talking to people is the best, plus I'm isolated. In the past 22 days I've only made contact with another person twice, which made me very upbeat in ways that aren't normal.

That could also be adrenaline from what you're pushing your body through. 

This changed me it seems. I passed up on attending a friend's Mother's 70th Birthday party, ( people who think very highly of me) and now I guess I've have to deal with that when I can later. Can't wait till this is over. 

Why are you doing it in the first place, like what's the goal? 

Are you testing your willpower or is it vanity?