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Sintetika said: 

I'm trying to respond to every question you have, and now we're looping on one another, my brain is exhausted. You are frying my brain, because it's hard for me to answer psychological questions along side my political views. 

What makes it difficult though? They are strongly relational to one-another, one's political views being a symptom of the clash between one's inner workings and society. 

I'll continue with this. 

I'll sit back and let you finish then. 

Sintetika said: 

Kestrel said: 

Sintetika said: 

 It's hard for me to do it quick and painless, because I feel the euphoria by inflicting pain and watching it suffer, as well as having control over it's life and what looks like fear, especially with mice. 

 This finally comes full circle now. Your zeal on pedophile death and about culling the degenerates of society is just some excuse to indulge in a temptation of your own. Stop validating that zeal by justifying your disdain for those people. You're only enabling yourself while also acting like you're not cut from a similar cloth. 

 I don't consider my zeal as an excuse for me to harm pedophiles and those I see as subhuman. Is it nice to fantasize about killing them? Of course, but I firmly believe that even if I didn't have this temptation or urge, that my stance would still be the same, and that the fate of a pedophile should be forced labor or death. The only instance where this is an exception is if a pedophile turns themselves in to be monitored. Even if I don't believe that rehabilitation exists for them. My stance on pedophiles does not ignore the fact that these creatures came from a background of abuse and oppression. Regardless of the pain they received, they are nonetheless a problem to society. 

I don't consider myself cut from a similar cloth. I have some sense of a moral code. Regardless if they claim to have moral code, what they do is predatory and depraved. I'm aware morality is something that is subjective, but regardless my morality, I consider in line with the good and benefit of the masses and society. 

 

You were born or nurtured into having the desire to harm others. Just as pedophiles were born or nurtured having the desire to harm others. A moral code doesn't save you from being hypocritical, I'd strongly argue that anyone that gets a "euphoria" from the act of torturing animals/people suffers from similar abuse and oppression you say pedophiles do. How have you twisted your own structure so far in your head where you dont see yourself as a blight to society? Literally ranting on sociopath community about having to hold back the urge to harm others because of some euphoric joy you get.

If any action were put into place to cull pedophiles, your kind would go first. You are unfit to judge.

All I want is the ability to keep this in a controlled manner. So that I don't fuck up. I asked here, because I don't know where to ask. It seems that there is a belief that there are genuine fucked up people here, like ChallengeSeeker. Not to imply this is where the totally rad sociopaths hang out. Just that maybe some of you with things like drug addiction have similar ways of controlling temptations.  

I wouldn't want to pull a Slayer and light up a golfcart and get caught. I already almost got caught in the past with what I did, and the only reason why I haven't done it in so long is because lack of opportunity, and I had ways of ignoring it. The fact that there's an opportunity right in front of me, is what is amplifying this temptation. 

 Do you know how many pedophiles say this sort of thing? That they just want to keep the urge under control. You'll need to come up with something else that differenciates you from pedophiles because as I see it, you're damn near the same in your issues. Pedophilia a lot of the time is about the attraction to the helplessness of the victim and a power fantasy. Replace pedophilia with torture and its almost a rough summary of what you posted.

Now you're frothing at the mouth to harm someone simply because they are near you in some way, I genuinely believe people with your tendencies should be taken off the streets and forced to be in therapy until a conclusion is made on your mental state.

You can't cull the kuffar, if you are the kuffar mate

Sintetika said:

Turncoat said:

What gives 'purpose' purpose?

You answer should be interesting, considering you recognized meaninglessness at one point before fleeing it for dear life.

I'm speaking that perhaps people would rather be working then sitting in a damn cell rotting away. 

So now you want to do things that are to the benefit of the criminal? 

If they'd rather be working, those of truly criminal minds probably wouldn't have aimed to scam and shortcut the system in the first place. 

If we're speaking on what gives purpose, I don't know how to dictate another's purpose, perhaps doing what one loves? 

I mean more what makes purpose matter? What purpose is there in purpose beyond a personal sense of self-fulfillment? 

Purpose to me is like "Dreams", highly hyped but very far from all there is to things. Someone can lack purpose and still contribute something. 

Turncoat said:

You recognize Nostalgia for the rose tinted glasses they are though, yeah?

 Sure it's sentimental, in some case. 

Yet you still fall prey to it? 

I find my recognizing it as nostalgia to reduce it's room for idealizing. What has it work in spite of your logical understanding of it otherwise, what breaks through and matters more than the logic? 

Turncoat said:

Is this closer to what you want to get control over? This sounds worse than some mere sadistic daydreaming.

I know it sounds frivolous but have you ever had a massage or a spa day for the benefits of physical therapy? The increased functionality it gives down the line is worth the time and investment.

 No, I've never considered doing such. 

You should at least once. I know it's not "manly" or whatever but from a mental health standpoint I highly recommend trying it. 

People need the occasional tune up just like a car, and that is much of what's behind physical therapy practices. 

Turncoat said:

Lacking a direct model figure usually leads to more of a sense of confusion for how to handle one's needs. As a result it sounds like you struggle with open expression.

Open expression of my thoughts and feelings? I don't entirely understand this statement. 

People tend to model off of their gender peered parent to see how to handle stress and relationships. Without that in your life your awkwardness is rendered that much more predictable, as is your views that are more based on intelligence than charisma and wisdom. 

I don't know the conditions of her life, but she did apologize to me later on and said she suffered from depression too and felt extreme regret for her actions. I'm already numb to it, so I didn't care much I just told her okay. 

"Trust their actions, not their words."

If they could do it at all, you know it's in their capacity, and excuses just serve to justify the actions they've done so that they may do it again. She didn't just apologize, she rationalized it so that she didn't have to think it was even her fault, and this is assuming she wasn't fake-apologizing. 

She did this to you at all, you can't just ignore that. 

The thought of an unjust system screwing over the lives of fellow humans and it's pain it's brought upon them is something I consider an injustice, does that mean what I seek is going to a be a perfect utopia no? But I believe there's a better means of handling things. 

You don't just believe it, you're making it the focal point of your life goals. 

I consider a lot of things injustices, but I figure injustice is the natural state of things. Much like the bias I linked you before (The Just World Hypothesis), I don't think Justice truly exists beyond the shadows we cast through our belief in the highly mutable myth, and that any attempt to build towards a superior system is otherwise impossible beyond the short term. 

I'm not denying I have sexual fantasies or such inside me, they just aren't my main drive. Even if I wanted to, I am too focused on other things than a relationship, and I don't care to actively seek out someone to fuck. 

So don't have sex or a relationship with them, just find someone you can consensually beat the shit out of. 

 

Marxism resonates with me, because it gives a better goal for a collaborative more progressive humanity, rather than a system driven on profit. 

This is the political reasoning but not the personal. 

Do you tend to see your sense of self through a sense of others? 

 

I believe that by not contributing to fight against it, that by then I'm just sitting here letting it happen.

It's not our responsibility to fix it, and to change such a thing we'd need much greater numbers. 

As is, you're stuck working against The Bystander Effect. The fact that you feel the need to not just fall into those patterns as a goal in itself separates you. 

I'm aware no one holds a gun to my head over it, but I believe that it is my own duty. 

Duty is that gun, and duty is an illusion. 

What makes what others are going through worth your own self-sacrifice? Do you see yourself as the only one capable, or do you see yourself as low enough that the losses no longer matter? 

You are hurting my brain. Yes, I want to harm people, yes that doesn't make it justified for me, I don't think it will be cured, I think I'll always HAVE IT, I want to CONTROL IT, so that I can use it on the people like me, so that I get the pleasure from doing it. Am I a perfect human being? NO. I don't know how else to explain this. 

Self Loathing, huh? I had a feeling. Assuming you're not just trying to imitate the show Dexter, the underlined portion is honestly pretty dark. 

Are you fighting these people so that you may both justify and fight your own existence? 

Turncoat said:

It's kind of nuts what the proposed costs are both to keep a prisoner alive and to kill one.

Such a weird system.

I consider the reason why its so expensive to kill is because we use lethal injection, instead of bullets. The benefits of a labor camp is so that you don't waste tax dollars on them to keep them alive. 

You'd still need people capable of enforcing those camps, food and space for the laborers... Killing them is more efficient. 

How would you convince all the bleeding hearts out there that swifter killings and slavery are the answer? You'd be stuck fighting many an idealist with these notions, many of the same currently fighting what's already the case today. 

Turncoat said:

So pirating a box office success is the death of one's innocence?

Smoking some ganja is to destroy your naivete simply because one's government had corporate interests lobbying to keep it illegal, and with it's increased legality it's gradually restoring the innocence lost?

Is loitering and disturbing the peace the leading cause of crimes in our modern world now? Is Jaywalking a gateway drug towards criminal activity?

A lot of things are crimes, but there are some that have been deemed "Crimes Against Humanity", like your original blanket stance made about pedos, rapists, and murderers initially, which then escalated to other less common areas with time.

So where is that line actually? Laws span across a very wide spectrum, like how it used to be mandatory in Brainerd, Minnesota to have a beard if you were a man. It's not just "The Law" like Judge Dredd makes it out to be unless you're an Extremist about "Laws" conceptually with no gray area.

 No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

If depends on the fucking crime committed, I don't want to explain every single fucking little detail about what punishment a crime receives. That's for a democratic people to decide. I only have some different changes. 

Turncoat said:

How much self-loathing would you say is the norm?

Would you say you're trying to outrun the feeling?

 I have some self-critiques of myself, but none of them drive me to hate myself unless I sub-consciously do and I just don't feel it.  

Turncoat said:

I'm talking about the aftermath. You're aiming to over-throw so that something else may take it's place, yes?

It's always easier to be the critic than it is to be the artisan.

 The aftermath is a socialist state used to defend oneself from imperialist nations until that threat ceases to exist. You make me regret ever making this damned thread. I just wanted a tip, not a therapy session. 

Turncoat said:

The above makes it sound like they're working on it. There seems to be an expressed urgency towards more efficient models that shouldn't need a radically themed deconstruction to accomplish, but rather time and persistence within the system.

 I don't see it as coming into fruition, because of the profit motive, I consider it more like sugarcoating filler, going into this would make me explain about how I view Capitalism as an unsustainable system because of the falling rate of profit, and it's inherent flaw of overproduction, thus meaning it must expand to reach new markets, new resources, and cheaper labor force, HENCE, MULTI-NATIONAL CORPORATIONS, AND OUR INVOLVEMENT IN THE THIRD WORLD. 

Turncoat said:

I'd argue unadapted when it comes to peer-to-peer. A selfish child with nothing around to correct the behavior will have no reason to drop said behaviors when heading into teenagehood and adulthood. With the presence of inherent blindspots or an environment that doesn't allow for those developments they will be more liable to reflect their more core being instead of conditioned responses.

I'd say the "mature adult" is actually less natural than a man-child, especially in light of how often people seem confused by the whole "adulthood" template as if it were more of an ideal instead of something inherent within us as a result of aging. "Maturity" is conditioned hype, and a lot of people as they get older seem to shake the conditioning off.

 I feel exhausted mentally. I don't know how else to explain to you. This isn't even what I intended for when I asked for tips on self-control. 


I concede. I literally cannot process this all and defend my points. Do you have any sources of your own you want me to look into? I'll try to look into them, I still plan on doing more research and refresh my own memory on my ideology. I can't function right now. You may consider this a win in your book. 

To recap these were the sources, I was using to try to get my point across.

https://youtu.be/8D3ic7jnvnU

https://youtu.be/bya6qrHO5-s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPeBEcsmWTY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k46uaDvnoYE

If you have any for me, please feel free to send them my way. I'm laughing at my own lost sense of sanity because of the pain you've brought upon my ability to think. We can continue this another time, if that's truly what you want, but honestly, I feel disappointed in myself for not being better at this. I feel like a fool. 

Turncoat said: 

Kestrel said: 

Sintetika said: 

 It's hard for me to do it quick and painless, because I feel the euphoria by inflicting pain and watching it suffer, as well as having control over it's life and what looks like fear, especially with mice. 

This finally comes full circle now. Your zeal on pedophile death and about culling the degenerates of society is just some excuse to indulge in a temptation of your own. Stop validating that zeal by justifying your disdain for those people. You're only enabling yourself while also acting like you're not cut from a similar cloth. 

Yes, yes this. 

This is such a shift from where you were. 

 It's been some years since we've talked in depth but this understanding has been with me awhile. Associating with more order types made it clear a good deal of them were just backwardly masking their degeneracy. 

Kestrel said: 

Turncoat said: 

Kestrel said: 

Sintetika said: 

 It's hard for me to do it quick and painless, because I feel the euphoria by inflicting pain and watching it suffer, as well as having control over it's life and what looks like fear, especially with mice. 

This finally comes full circle now. Your zeal on pedophile death and about culling the degenerates of society is just some excuse to indulge in a temptation of your own. Stop validating that zeal by justifying your disdain for those people. You're only enabling yourself while also acting like you're not cut from a similar cloth. 

Yes, yes this. 

This is such a shift from where you were. 

 It's been some years since we've talked in depth but this understanding has been with me awhile. Associating with more order types made it clear a good deal of them were just backwardly masking their degeneracy. 

I feel like our clown world argument and a few talks on degeneracy we've had in general clashes with this advice though. The advice applies to yourself and why you care so much, which is how I saw you saying that as such a step forward to be throwing at another who, honestly, is going through some similar issues to a past you from behind a different political lens. 

Turncoat said: 

Kestrel said: 

Turncoat said: 

Kestrel said: 

Sintetika said: 

 It's hard for me to do it quick and painless, because I feel the euphoria by inflicting pain and watching it suffer, as well as having control over it's life and what looks like fear, especially with mice. 

This finally comes full circle now. Your zeal on pedophile death and about culling the degenerates of society is just some excuse to indulge in a temptation of your own. Stop validating that zeal by justifying your disdain for those people. You're only enabling yourself while also acting like you're not cut from a similar cloth. 

Yes, yes this. 

This is such a shift from where you were. 

 It's been some years since we've talked in depth but this understanding has been with me awhile. Associating with more order types made it clear a good deal of them were just backwardly masking their degeneracy. 

I feel like our clown world argument and a few talks on degeneracy we've had in general clashes with this advice though. The advice applies to yourself and why you care so much, which is how I saw you saying that as such a step forward to be throwing at another who, honestly, is going through some similar issues to a past you from behind a different political lens. 

The time in which I moved in with you guys was during my leniency period, after I had made that realization. I saw the next challenge as challenging my own zeal itself, learning to relax and giving things I even deemed wrong a chance to prove themselves wrong. Throughout that experiment as well as other factors, I've become more confident with my own inhibitions and judgement calls when I've had to make them.

Sintetika said: 

Turncoat said:

So pirating a box office success is the death of one's innocence?

Smoking some ganja is to destroy your naivete simply because one's government had corporate interests lobbying to keep it illegal, and with it's increased legality it's gradually restoring the innocence lost?

Is loitering and disturbing the peace the leading cause of crimes in our modern world now? Is Jaywalking a gateway drug towards criminal activity?

A lot of things are cr,imes, but there are some that have been deemed "Crimes Against Humanity", like your original blanket stance made about pedos, rapists, and murderers initially, which then escalated to other less common areas with time.

So where is that line actually? Laws span across a very wide spectrum, like how it used to be mandatory in Brainerd, Minnesota to have a beard if you were a man. It's not just "The Law" like Judge Dredd makes it out to be unless you're an Extremist about "Laws" conceptually with no gray area.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

If depends on the fucking crime committed, I don't want to explain every single fucking little detail about what punishment a crime receives. That's for a democratic people to decide. I only have some different changes. 

This is remarkably short sighted, and from a relative basis I'm sure I don't have to explain to you why. 

Turncoat said:

How much self-loathing would you say is the norm?

Would you say you're trying to outrun the feeling?

I have some self-critiques of myself, but none of them drive me to hate myself unless I sub-consciously do and I just don't feel it.  

You seem to not be too used to studying yourself beyond your exterior beliefs, where even your believed sense of construct seems kinda vague to you. 

This is worth exploring. 

The aftermath is a socialist state used to defend oneself from imperialist nations until that threat ceases to exist.

The aftermath of destruction is just whoever is the loudest voice, then down the line it's whoever is the cleverest. 

You make me regret ever making this damned thread. I just wanted a tip, not a therapy session. 

You want tips that apply to you, right? You need to be known or the advice would likely be wasted. 

No one can tell you what you ought to be doing, but they can steer the path towards you seeing it for yourself. I see "therapy" as more productive towards problem solving than just saying "JUST DO IT!!!", and your struggle within this topic is symptomatic of the direction future advice ought to be taken when compared to when you were still keeping it vague. 

I don't see it as coming into fruition, because of the profit motive

As many companies are showing these days as newer practices become more innovative, often what's in the best interest of the people is also in the best interest of the profit margin. 

Example? Google. A lot of their business practices aren't about serving an existing demand, but rather creating new ones and enterprising on the new opportunities through stock practices and being able to predict what their inventions will do to The Market before they're even released onto it, effectively giving them an ahead start when it comes to opportunity. In many cases, ingenuity and even charity can actually have secondary benefits towards one's profit margins, and as time goes on I suspect this will become the dominant business model. 

 I feel exhausted mentally. I don't know how else to explain to you. This isn't even what I intended for when I asked for tips on self-control. 

Did you expect learning about yourself to be a streamline process? 

The people we tend to understand the least in our lives is ourselves, despite many egoist claims to the contrary. 

I concede. I literally cannot process this all and defend my points.

This means you need more practice with it, but this topic was just that. 

Do you have any sources of your own you want me to look into? I'll try to look into them, I still plan on doing more research and refresh my own memory on my ideology. I can't function right now. You may consider this a win in your book. 

If you want it to be super baseline and a crash course through storyline examples, go for I ❤ Huckabees.

If you want the deeper shit, you need to binge Alan Watts. 



^ 24 hour stream of his material. 

If you want to question how much you ought to believe in your own voice, you ought to look up novels known for their "Unreliable Narration". Self-doubt is a healthy practice in spite of how it can slow down our decision making speed otherwise through debunking the mystery of it's simplicity. 

To recap these were the sources, I was using to try to get my point across.

As I said before, I'll check all of these when I'm more awake (I'm still awake from when we last typed). I don't want to be wasting either of our time so I'm going to binge them when my focus is more primed for learning instead of skimming and bullet pointing. 

I understand how to roughly skim a philosophy to figure it out in relation to other paths, but it in relation to another's psychology requires understanding it more in depth to see where they connected to the material on a deeper level. 

If you have any for me, please feel free to send them my way.

I'm laughing at my own lost sense of sanity because of the pain you've brought upon my ability to think.

Laughing produces endorphins and makes it easier to handle current stressers. 

It's where the term "Laughing Mad" came from, it's compensatory but otherwise a symptom of you trying, which is good. 

We can continue this another time, if that's truly what you want, but honestly, I feel disappointed in myself for not being better at this. I feel like a fool. 

This hasn't been about winning and losing, this has been exploration. Naturally I'm in the advantaged position by being the one on offense, while you're the one who'd inevitably struggle with time from it being about yourself (defense). 

Still, feeling foolish is good, it's humbling and honest because we are all fools in relation to our egoist sense of telling ourselves that we know what's going on. Too much confidence in ourselves is often blinding. Your sense of this being "a loss" is what can open you up to seeing why it happened so that you may be more prepared for it in the future, so even though I'd say this was never about winning your believed sense of loss may be what would otherwise make you explore the situation more. 

There's wisdom in losing, while winning just confirms the effort you've already put into it. I'd say there's more to gain from losing than the wasted ego masturbation one might find in constant victory. 

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