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Kestrel said: 

 

 It's hard for me to do it quick and painless, because I feel the euphoria by inflicting pain and watching it suffer, as well as having control over it's life and what looks like fear, especially with mice. 

 This finally comes full circle now. Your zeal on pedophile death and about culling the degenerates of society is just some excuse to indulge in a temptation of your own. Stop validating that zeal by justifying your disdain for those people. You're only enabling yourself while also acting like you're not cut from a similar cloth. 

 I don't consider my zeal as an excuse for me to harm pedophiles and those I see as subhuman. Is it nice to fantasize about killing them? Of course, but I firmly believe that even if I didn't have this temptation or urge, that my stance would still be the same, and that the fate of a pedophile should be forced labor or death. The only instance where this is an exception is if a pedophile turns themselves in to be monitored. Even if I don't believe that rehabilitation exists for them. My stance on pedophiles does not ignore the fact that these creatures came from a background of abuse and oppression. Regardless of the pain they received, they are nonetheless a problem to society. 

I don't consider myself cut from a similar cloth. I have some sense of a moral code. Regardless if they claim to have moral code, what they do is predatory and depraved. I'm aware morality is something that is subjective, but regardless my morality, I consider in line with the good and benefit of the masses and society. 

All I want is the ability to keep this in a controlled manner. So that I don't fuck up. I asked here, because I don't know where to ask. It seems that there is a belief that there are genuine fucked up people here, like ChallengeSeeker. Not to imply this is where the totally rad sociopaths hang out. Just that maybe some of you with things like drug addiction have similar ways of controlling temptations.  

I wouldn't want to pull a Slayer and light up a golfcart and get caught. I already almost got caught in the past with what I did, and the only reason why I haven't done it in so long is because lack of opportunity, and I had ways of ignoring it. The fact that there's an opportunity right in front of me, is what is amplifying this temptation. 

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Xadem said: 

Don't expect anyone to give you the answers in life.

I disagree. While I wouldn't say others give you the answer, they give an answer at all. The components within each answer that applies to the person's situation and perspective can be cobbled together into a path of their own. 

Modeling off of our peers is pretty normal, often to a fault. 

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Xadem said: 

Don't expect anyone to give you the answers in life.

I disagree. While I wouldn't say others give you the answer, they give an answer at all. Whatever components in each answer that happen to apply to the person's situation can be cobbled together into a path of their own. 

Modeling off of our peers is pretty normal, often to a fault. 

 That's what the rest of my post which you omitted kinda addressed. 

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Xadem said: 
Xadem said: 

Don't expect anyone to give you the answers in life.

I disagree. While I wouldn't say others give you the answer, they give an answer at all. Whatever components in each answer that happen to apply to the person's situation can be cobbled together into a path of their own. 

Modeling off of our peers is pretty normal, often to a fault. 

 That's what the rest of my post which you omitted kinda addressed. 

You made it sound like he'd benefit more from research than peer questions. 

Research doesn't argue back and test things, it's just ideas. 

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Kestrel said: 

 It's hard for me to do it quick and painless, because I feel the euphoria by inflicting pain and watching it suffer, as well as having control over it's life and what looks like fear, especially with mice. 

 This finally comes full circle now. Your zeal on pedophile death and about culling the degenerates of society is just some excuse to indulge in a temptation of your own. Stop validating that zeal by justifying your disdain for those people. You're only enabling yourself while also acting like you're not cut from a similar cloth. 

I don't consider my zeal as an excuse for me to harm pedophiles and those I see as subhuman. Is it nice to fantasize about killing them? Of course, but I firmly believe that even if I didn't have this temptation or urge, that my stance would still be the same, and that the fate of a pedophile should be forced labor or death.

Where did this specific focus come from? Why pedophiles specifically instead of something else? 

Even if I don't believe that rehabilitation exists for them.

Why not?

There's even means of changing their physical chemistry with drugs to reduce their sexual cravings for instance. 

I don't consider myself cut from a similar cloth. I have some sense of a moral code.

Is the presence of a moral code what splits us apart, solely? 

I'm aware morality is something that is subjective, but regardless my morality, I consider in line with the good and benefit of the masses and society. 

I can't help but feel you refer to "society" as a more justifiable way of referring to yourself. 

Regardless of it's truth, you're really saying that it'd be for the good of you. 

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Xadem said: 
Xadem said: 

Don't expect anyone to give you the answers in life.

I disagree. While I wouldn't say others give you the answer, they give an answer at all. Whatever components in each answer that happen to apply to the person's situation can be cobbled together into a path of their own. 

Modeling off of our peers is pretty normal, often to a fault. 

 That's what the rest of my post which you omitted kinda addressed. 

You made it sound like he'd benefit more from research than peer questions. 

Research doesn't argue back and test things, it's just ideas. 

 Oh okay idk 

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Xadem, Alice, and Kestrel said:
JUST DO IT!!!

It's easy enough to just say this, but what should he "just do"? 

When it's about impulse control, shouldn't the mindset be closer to "don't do it"? Embracing an idea of jumping head first into something could jump back just as readily, while learning new habits can mill them away if not get rid of them entirely overtime. 

The idea of just jumping into the pool is reckless in my opinion. It sounds motivating and inspiring on paper, but it's good to have a plan first, and in many cases to make a plan you need to understand what you're working with more in-depth first. 

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Xadem, Alice, and Kestrel said:
JUST DO IT!!!

It's easy enough to just say this, but what should he "just do"? 

When it's about impulse control, shouldn't the mindset be closer to "don't do it"? Embracing an idea of jumping head first into something could jump back just as readily, while learning new habits can mill them away if not get rid of them entirely overtime. 

The idea of just jumping into the pool is reckless in my opinion. It sounds motivating and inspiring on paper, but it's good to have a plan first, and in many cases to make a plan you need to understand what you're working with more in-depth first. 

Because it feels like OP already knows what he should do, he's just stalling because it's not what he really wants to do. OP claims to want to control themself but it's clear that if they truly did, they'd not be behaving in this manner. It seems to me that they're putting off doing any real introspection with regards to what they claim. Sometimes the answer is right in front of people and they just don't like it so they look for ways around it and it ultimately is pointless. 

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Turncoat said:
Where did this specific focus come from? Why pedophiles specifically instead of something else?

 

Turncoat said:
Even if I don't believe that rehabilitation exists for them.

 It's not just pedophiles, I include rapists and murders, but that depends, in regards to rapists, I see them like pedophiles not entirely in the eyes of rehab. Surely, through neurology maybe you could augment their brains, but does that exist yet? I don't think so. Regardless, if they commit the crime of harming a child or person, or distribute pornography of children, then I can't see that as redeemable. With murderers, it depends on the motive. I believe standard murderers can be rehab'd but it just depends on what the scenario was. 

If there are drugs to reduce their sexual cravings, then does they inhibit it or just reduce it? Regardless, they should be monitored, if they are seeking help. 

 There are more targets than just standard terminology for criminals, but those targets are within the realm of my own political views, and I'd rather not go into that. 

Turncoat said:
Is the presence of a moral code what splits us apart, solely?


I can't help but feel you refer to "society" as a more justifiable way of referring to yourself.

Regardless of it's truth, you're really saying that it'd be for the good of you.

 I'm aware morality is different for differing individuals, but what I am explaining is that there are people in society that if they don't adhere to a level of civility in regards to the innocent people, then there is only two outcomes for them. Death or forced labor. 

There was a father who's daughter was raped and killed by a pedophile, the jury voted the pedophile innocent so that that father could seek vengeance for his child. At the airport when the police were escorting the pedophile onto a plane, the father was there with a gun. He shot and killed the pedophile, dropped the gun, and put his hands up. That kind of justice is what I believe in. 

I'm just a bit more radical in that I want to make them feel the pain that they inflict on others. 

Perhaps that makes me corrupt. If I were to be tried one day, and the masses wanted me dead, then I accept said fate. 

In my eyes, I consider it a symbiotic relationship. 

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Xadem said: 
Xadem, Alice, and Kestrel said:
JUST DO IT!!!

It's easy enough to just say this, but what should he "just do"? 

When it's about impulse control, shouldn't the mindset be closer to "don't do it"? Embracing an idea of jumping head first into something could jump back just as readily, while learning new habits can mill them away if not get rid of them entirely overtime. 

The idea of just jumping into the pool is reckless in my opinion. It sounds motivating and inspiring on paper, but it's good to have a plan first, and in many cases to make a plan you need to understand what you're working with more in-depth first. 

Because it feels like OP already knows what he should do

Does he know the steps?

he's just stalling because it's not what he really wants to do.

There's probably something within that that can be addressed to make "JUST DO IT" more possible. 

He's expressed a desire to do it, but something is in the way. Whatever that is is the real topic. It's otherwise the equivalent of just asking him to "Gedd ova' ya'self", which isn't real advice. 

OP claims to want to control themself but it's clear that if they truly did, they'd not be behaving in this manner. It seems to me that they're putting off doing any real introspection with regards to what they claim.

To me it looks like the attempt at introspection from someone not used to it. It's like he's trying to flick a match but it isn't lighting. 

Sometimes the answer is right in front of people and they just don't like it so they look for ways around it and it ultimately is pointless. 

When "the answer" is right in front of someone, whatever is having them not see it becomes the real issue. 

Instead of just yelling at someone to "try harder", a tried and true failure of a plan, seeing what's blocking the ability to do it at all through dissecting the situation is more bound to find what's really limiting him. 

Take it from someone told to "try harder" a lot of times, there's often a lot more to it than that. 

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