Sociopath Community

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said:

Turncoat said:

I've seen episodes and followed DJ Trump's career before even catching wind of him having presidential interests, even watched The Apprentice and his self-plug in Battle of the Billionaires, saw him talking food with Grimace and try to sugarcoat a divorce with a Pizza Hut ad. He was an icon long before he hit politics and I'm a media junkie, I've had opinions over the man as early as the late 90s to early 00s. 

My folks spent years of their lives together in New York, they couldn't escape hearing about him and they let me in on that lore. When the three of us heard he was running for president of 2016 we had a collective 'wtf' over it. It's not like we didn't know he self-repped as a Dem prior, there's even people in the MAGA party who are calling him an Undercover Dem. It's not about party lines, it's about the man. 

It was on par with The Governator hype, but now it's its own monster. 

Trump was always world famous. I've seen and heard of him my whole life too. The difference between you and I, I don't fall in line when the establishment sends their assets after him for political reasons. Yes he was an icon. The American dream. Rappers rapping about him, a playboy billionaire. well admired by the masses, until you were instructed not to by some of the worst people in the world. 

No dude he's always been a clown to me. His namesake comes from 'daddy's money' being used to prop himself up as his own mascot, and he was well known in the NY area for not paying his bills and loans, even going as far as to say 'they can sue him' if they want the rest. Anyone in the know saw him as a total joke no one took seriously pre-politics, and a bad business man who's properties and ventures had him declare bankruptcy over them... SIX TIMES. 

The dude's selling himself as Mickey Mouse to move product, and we've seen how ventures like Trump Steaks and Trump University went almost 1-to-1 with how his modern ventures are going, such as the Trump Mobile Phone. The only value in his brand is in the name, and that was also another byproduct of 'daddy's money'. 

I never respected him, I found him hilarious back when his blunders didn't hurt as many people at once. Him running for president was a major wtf moment out of anyone in the know of his time in New York and media. His spots on shows like Howard Stern is more the icing on the cake, and those also were recorded before he went into politics. 

You don't inspire anyone, and you think the world would hold you to a higher regard. 

Donald Trump IS, the American dream. He's had days that costed more than your entire life. That's status. 

He's also the President of the United States. HA HA HA. Democracy is really good sometimes. 

Yeah man, you're Trump deranged, while Trump has Jews and Iranians dancing on the street on the same day. lol.

In the Epstein files Trump is mentioned about 6,000 times. One late accusation filed in 2019 that held no weight for many reasons, his mention is mostly Jeffery doing his darndest with his connections to stop Donald Trump. 

In 2006 Trump was one of few people to call the police on Epstein, this too is documented in the Epstein files. It was also Trump's policy to declassify the files. 

Who signed the executive order to declassify the Epstein files ? None other than Donald Trump. None of the sources you follow and admire will ever tell you this. 

...they tried to claim the files didn't exist, after saying they had it on their desk. It took the likes of Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna to get as much of it as we have, not Trump. 

I feel like I don't need to ramble on about the shit they've found on him in there, you must know of it by now. 

That's false. 

Trump's policy was release the files. It was listed when he ran last time.

What remains true is Trump signed the executive order to declassify them, Trump called the police on Epstein in 2006, and the media smear campaign on Trump has a lot of to with Epstein pulling strings. Many including yourself and others here, ate it up and did as you were programmed to. 

You can fall back and say, but but but they. Shut up. You've been played by a fiddle by a real predator.  

No man is perfect, but as far as politics goes, Trump is what the world needed.

Frankly I'm glad we have him at the helm instead of someone better at their job when it comes to pushing for Project 2025 rhetoric and policies at least, but that's more of a point in favor of Harm Reduction than anything else. 

lol Project 2025. What are you afraid of ? Queer people being taken off a pedestal ? There's nothing special about them, they are just people. 

Canadian Government did a 180 though things are still fucked up here. Entire nations are celebrating what Trump has done and what's coming next. 

They're pursuing foreign markets and making new allies in response to Trump adding tariffs where trade between Canada and the US used to be free, especially since "The Peace President's" jarring shift towards warmongering. 

This hardly appears as celebration to me. 

Trump's goal is to return the US to a tax free nation. He'll shrink the government and working so tariffs are where the government makes its money. That fucking beautiful if you ask me. 

Trudeau is gone, because of Trump. Yes Canada held an election because of that. A lot of the liberal parties policies have been reversed and we stopped giving Indians a fast pass to Canada. A lot of the damage cannot be undone. Canada is also doing more business with other nations, and STILL trading with the US. The current state of Trumps tariffs are. Nothing. As it's been declined for being illegal. US Canada Mexico Agreement that Trump created remains in tact. 

A lot of Canadians actually want to get Anex. We don't even believe our elections are real anymore. The same party that fucked up Canada was elected, while every living soul here wanted the Liberal party gone. In Canada we have the MSM calling out Canadian youtubers, make that make sense. It's a power struggle. Trump lifted the veil and there's been a turn around in Canada. though the damage caused by Trudeau isn't easily fixed. 

You clearly don't know Carmen Electra and insist instead on the default of a 'weak woman'. 

She likes S&M, likes being spanked with a cane, and has no issues talking about it other than not wanting to talk about her porn addiction. 

I know who she is. She's an ex Playboy Bunny.

She's not a Bunny dude, she was just hired to pose for the magazine a few times like many other women have. She's more known for being in Baywatch, and has had a career of shows, films, and cameos since then. Check her IMDB. 

Looking over her body of work, there's clear themes that lend to her being a woman who is at least professionally comfortable with her own body. 

None of that is important. Harassment is harassment. 

By your logic, if a woman did any kind of porn, she's free game and men should be allowed to harass her sexually. In the skit she clearly wasn't up for it, but because she used to pose for nudes, your logic suggests it's okay.

No, by my logic Carmen Electra is an adult who did well enough for herself to pick her own gigs and interviews, and has demonstrated enough comfort with sex appeal and sex itself to respond as if it's less taboo of a subject. 

Carmen's effectively a Sex-Positive Feminist, and these displays are reflectant of that. 

Oh. So if she was a normal woman it wouldn't be okay for a bunch of guys to insist you get her clit stimulated when she kinda never wanted to.  Gocha. 

Finally, I don't care if he gets in trouble or not or whatever it is he did to "advertise" the paid promotion for the Sybian. What I do know is how to call a spade and spade, and stay out of trouble. 

I also know if Trump did that, you'd have a complete meltdown, cause you're degranged. 

No, I'd laugh at the cheap gold paint that'd probably peel off of his shitty variation of the product, and would find his name being on a sex toy to be peak comedy for the first few minutes. 

Variant of the product ? No dude, I clearly started if Trump did what Howard did, you'd have a meltdown. 

You're mistaking awkwardness for something more over puritanical views blinding you to context. Read her face, it's not like what Megan Fox had to deal with from Michael Bay. 

Not saying Howard's a saint, far from defending that dude, but it's Carmen Electra. It has more exhibitionist leanings than anything and she was in a position at that point of her career to easily turn it down. 

Okay, so you defend that behavior. Damn Nathan, I thought you were about women's rights. And I know what you're going to say, she liked it yadda yadda. Still the skit entailed that she was pressured. Again, replace Howard with Trump, and you'd easily have a meltdown.   

I defend Carmen's right to sit on a Sybian on television when it's her own choice to, this is about women's rights not about defending Howard Stern. 

She has her own autonomy, no matter how much you may deny that. 

Sure took them awhile get her on the thing, otherwise she would have never done it. To me your clip was awkward and would upset any activist woman. 

I'm watching your clip and was like..... Okay anytime now. She said her legs were getting tired and why ? Cause she never wanted to fully mount the machine. 

While I think it's controversial, I also don't care. Just calling it for what it is and moving on. You feel the need to defend Howard for some reason. Not important to me. 

Motorcycles are very different, and even further you did it with clothes on. 

You'd need to practically sit on the engine itself. 

Dude. I rode bikes that were so loud you can feel the ground shake. It would've made little to no difference if I removed my jeans and boxers. I also don't have a clitoris, but with that much vibration a clit wouldn't even have to make direct contact with the seat.

I've been on motorcycles before too, even once with me in the bitch seat with a hot woman driving it.

It's not the same. 

 lol You'd only be in the bitch seat.

I remember one time at this coffee shop where all the sport bikers would hang out. There was this chick with a Gixxer. Over outgoing, blond, had nice gear that matched her bike. She would mingle with us, but her Boyfriend was really quiet. No eye contact. When they left, she was driving and he came around the corner with his helmet on and sat in the back. Oh God how hard we all laughed. You can tell he really never wanted us to see him like that. He sat in the back and just looked straight. His body language was like. "Just go".  

Anyway, guy. There's being on a bike, and then there's being on a modified bike. One doesn't just buy a bike and it makes the concrete rumble. When a bike makes the ground shake, it's really fucking loud and it's a really hard vibration. It's not the hum of a hair clipper. It's a disturbing rumble which again, shakes concrete from a pretty good distance.  

Spatial Mind said:

Most people don't have $1500 to blow on a sex toy, especially when their named piece was cheaper and they already own it. 

It's a Ferrari. 

Most people have 1500 to blow on whatever it is they want within that range.

They're complaining about the price of eggs and gas, and about how they can't afford their own homes. 

They really don't. 

Me: /presents multiple examples

You: /repeats yourself

Actually that's you cutting a sentence away from a following paragraph while accusing me of copium over some strangers using vibrators. 

So you deny that your approach was stonewalling the list of reasons presented over Men being Cooked?

Weird, I wasn't used to being single until fairly recently. I typically hopped from one relationship to the next and they'd last for years, which must say something for my success rate being higher than average when compared to your idea of men. 

Going beyond personal jabs however your point still screams projection when you barely have to look to find suffering men buying Belle Delphine's bathwater or turning their laptops into Gooning Rigs. 

You might be able to tell yourself you're okay with being alone, to save time I'll spare that point for now, but the majority who try at least are copium-based liars who'd contradict themselves the first chance they got. 

I wouldn't say hopping from one relationship to the next is successful.

It's not 'going without' so much as a flow of 'going with', and you implied that my being single is normal for me when typically it's been the opposite. 

If we start around the teen years to now to gauge a fair timeline (even though I had a girlfriend when I was younger), I've probably spent around only four-ish years single or without easy access to hookups, give or take a year. I was covered throughout high school and college, and after a break up with someone from said college after graduation it was not that long after that I met Crow. 

It's not that men wish to be alone, they are just better at it. In 2026 more men aren't interested in being with a woman, because of how they are in general. 

Women gain more autonomy and men suddenly shut down. We also went through COVID, which has made for tons of shifts in culture as we know it. The internet has also really, really not helped men become better people. 

They're not better at it, it's labeled a loneliness epidemic. They're alone because they don't know how not to be, and then invent reasons why the failures are not of their own doing as a subculture. 

No one's an incel by choice, and the rhetoric many men carry now is socially poisoning themselves. As of a 2023 study, 45% of men between the ages of 18-25 have never approached a woman in person for a date. 

This is a legitimate problem, and men need to face it or be responsible for their own Darwinist Failings. 

We get to do whatever we want when single, and we're going to build things, and play games, and cook food. Make jokes with the boys while eating whatever we want in comfort in front of a big screen. Porn, we got porn. We have money. Most men don't care about hoes but we got hoes. Cheap ones. Less work less mess. 

...sorry but this is hilarious, you're making my arguments for me now. 

'WE DON'T NEED WOMEN WHEN WE GOT PORN!' 

Oh maaannn, Men are Cooked 😂

That wasn't what I said, it's just how your deranged mind painted it. 

I'm sorry, but look how your statement looks. 

What you paint as progress sounds like coping to me, especially when those things aren't mutually exclusive. You can do all of the things you listed there without having to be single. 

Men are more picky too. Things like the war room and the manosphere tell men to choose wisely as it matters not how big and cool you are, getting involved with the wrong bitch will fuck you up. All the richest men in the world including sought after athletes. All Divorce. ( Been saying long ago, don't have to get married )

I feel like, based on former conversations, that you never fully immersed yourself in Andrew Tate's material but rather nodded along with the presented themes. 

Let's say I nodded along with presented themes. Which one of them shouldn't I agree with ?

The reason I ask over this is because when you actually explore Tate's body of work, it gets increasingly ludicrous to try to take seriously. 

The manosphere meanwhile is raising a crop of weak defenseless manbabies who can't compromise and buy their merch to fill the void. They're making men weaker on purpose through these programs to exploit them, having them acquire a social poison from the very media that aims to rationalize the very failings it's aiming to instill in their audience. 

This sort generally need an ego appeasing reason for why they fail, rather than face it as anything they did wrong, and this lets them externalize the problem to the point of even further failure. Even worse, they find others failing similarly enough to support their collective psychosis. 

What I said is correct. These venues all say, work out, study, take care of yourself, get a side hustle, get rich, and choose wisely when it comes to women. For some reason you want to "feel" something about me after saying that but you like to argue.  

Filling the lonely void with money and muscle is bound to have you only find people who are seeking those very things. 

Notice which sorts of people are the ones trying to warn men 'what western women are', and you can see very quickly why they carry those opinions over cultivating an environment for themselves that proves them right. 

The people who aren't impressed by those things are going to seem invisible when you straight up are told they don't exist or are unicorns, when really they're the sort that see the problem with rhetoric like Tate's immediately. 

I'm more traditional and it's not my goal to fuck as much broads as I can either. 

Says the guy who claims he'd rather wank it to porn and hang with the bros than date a woman. 

I never claimed such a thing. 

As a reminder, your argument is that women would rather use vibrators and it's the trend, and it's cool and how men are cooked etc. 

That's not my argument. My argument was: 

Women can rely on toys more than they can rely on men, be them in a committed relationship, femme-red pilling, or flying solo. It fills in for the times they're alone and covers for if the man can't satisfy them.

...or, if they recharge quickly enough and they have the stamina, it gives something to do so they don't lose momentum.

It's also just generally fun and bonding to fuck with your partner with toys when your body is otherwise too tired. Men love a handy if the alternative is nothing and women are the same way when it comes to oral, and toys can sometimes add an extra dimension to it.

Men are Cooked is it's own separate point that with room at most for adjacency. Toy use is independent of partnership and I haven't made any claims to the contrary. 

There are other things in life than sex with the opposite gender, and a man can become content enjoying other aspects of it. 

Of course they could, but that is an oversimplification of a very, very real problem with mountains of harmful rhetoric to blame for it. 

'Dial a ho', 'go overseas', this tends to mean prostitution when said by people of the First World. 

But my original claim you responded to was "I'd recommend men go overseas to find a good woman". But there you are crying hoe. 

You even said they were more affordable come on look at the implications of your word choices. 😏

Okay lets entertain this argument from you though: Where would you recommend lonely dudes fly to find 'respectful women'? 

Here you're more on point with what I said in the first place. Only reason you went back in line was to bait. That much is obvious considering you've wasted time with calling women hoes, then aligning yourself with "okay where would they go to find respectful women"

More than love a man values respect. 

...you have no idea where to go where it's not you buying a woman, do you?

No really, what country did you have in mind? India? Australia? China? Thailand? Japan? Africa? 

Men don't consider homosexuality, unless they are homosexuals, which the discussion doesn't include. 

Have you never heard of 'Allies' when it comes to the LGBTQ? 

Are you grouping women with the LGBTQ ? lol The WLGBTQ eh ?

Okay you actually haven't. We're in different circles and it's probably good that I asked. 

Allies are straight people in support of the LGBTQ, which includes straight men. 

Spatial Mind said: 

Finally, I don't care if he gets in trouble or not or whatever it is he did to "advertise" the paid promotion for the Sybian. What I do know is how to call a spade and spade, and stay out of trouble. 

I also know if Trump did that, you'd have a complete meltdown, cause you're degranged. 

No, I'd laugh at the cheap gold paint that'd probably peel off of his shitty variation of the product, and would find his name being on a sex toy to be peak comedy for the first few minutes. 

Variant of the product ? No dude, I clearly started if Trump did what Howard did, you'd have a meltdown. 

Trump slaps his name on everything he endorses, of course he'd make it gold plated or something. If he was advertising the product, they'd make it a Trump Branded one. 

Okay, so you defend that behavior. Damn Nathan, I thought you were about women's rights. And I know what you're going to say, she liked it yadda yadda. Still the skit entailed that she was pressured. Again, replace Howard with Trump, and you'd easily have a meltdown.   

I defend Carmen's right to sit on a Sybian on television when it's her own choice to, this is about women's rights not about defending Howard Stern. 

She has her own autonomy, no matter how much you may deny that. 

Sure took them awhile get her on the thing, otherwise she would have never done it. To me your clip was awkward and would upset any activist woman. 

Already addressed this, she was awkward. Exhibitionism tends to be, and some enjoy that side of it. 

I'm watching your clip and was like..... Okay anytime now. She said her legs were getting tired and why ? Cause she never wanted to fully mount the machine. 

A woman's legs being tired tends to mean something else when it's in a sexual context. 😏

While I think it's controversial, I also don't care. Just calling it for what it is and moving on. You feel the need to defend Howard for some reason. Not important to me. 

No, I'm defending Carmen Electra.

You're the one focusing on Howard Stern when we've both agreed he's a total skeeze. 

Dude. I rode bikes that were so loud you can feel the ground shake. It would've made little to no difference if I removed my jeans and boxers. I also don't have a clitoris, but with that much vibration a clit wouldn't even have to make direct contact with the seat.

I've been on motorcycles before too, even once with me in the bitch seat with a hot woman driving it.

It's not the same. 

lol You'd only be in the bitch seat.

No actually, I rode a motorcycle while I was in Myanmar checking temples. 

The roads were clear, they didn't require a motorcycle license, it was affordable, and at that point of the trip I was burnt out enough to be less afraid of trying it. I'm normally of the mind that motorcycles are a deathwish on two wheels but in this case I did it anyway as an exception. 

I remember one time at this coffee shop where all the sport bikers would hang out. There was this chick with a Gixxer. Over outgoing, blond, had nice gear that matched her bike. She would mingle with us, but her Boyfriend was really quiet. No eye contact. When they left, she was driving and he came around the corner with his helmet on and sat in the back. Oh God how hard we all laughed. You can tell he really never wanted us to see him like that. He sat in the back and just looked straight. His body language was like. "Just go".  

Aww poor dude. I know the connotations that's why it's even called the bitch seat, but I prefer it. 

The motorcycle seat serves as a power dynamic; while I may look weaker for sitting in back I can coast on how cool and strong the driver is. 

Anyway, guy. There's being on a bike, and then there's being on a modified bike. One doesn't just buy a bike and it makes the concrete rumble. When a bike makes the ground shake, it's really fucking loud and it's a really hard vibration. It's not the hum of a hair clipper. It's a disturbing rumble which again, shakes concrete from a pretty good distance.  

I'd still figure the seat would be cushioning most of it, right? 

Still that's potentially intense enough to rattle your prostate and cause erections, but I take it that wasn't a problem for you? I didn't really 'feel it' like that either from normal motorcycles at least, but apparently for some people: 

Vibration Source: Motorcycle engines, particularly in the 6,000 RPM range, produce vibrations (up to 200 Hz) that are directly comparable to the operating frequency of a personal vibrator.

Sexual Arousal/Response: Around 15% of riders have reported feeling a "sexual surge" while riding, with the feeling being more prevalent in younger generations.

Spatial Mind said: 

 Let's make one thing clear. I'm entertaining a subject of your choice, I'm taking the time to discuss dildos to begin with because watching you try to sell the idea of one makes me marvel on how out of touch with reality you are. 

...it was a joke at your expense dude, I don't expect you to invest in dildos. 

You know (wo)men like a good sense of humor, right? 

But Nathan, you're not the joker, but the joke,

All it takes to be a joker is to tell jokes. 

You'd argue you and crow were in a lesbian relationship, meanwhile you had to take measures not to impregnate her. 

I'd call it a relationship, with a partner, and when seeing I was trans she actually became more excited rather than less. 

More women don't appreciate men stealing their gold medals, nor would they want to see you taking a dump in a stall designated to them. 

And yet they've been just fine when it's been me cleaning their toilets, sinks, and mirrors. 🤷‍♀️

The bathroom argument is ancient at this point, and always focuses on a select few incidents that people generalize to blow it out of proportion. 

Aside from that, you're here carrying on about how men are cooked, while in reality you are one. As a bisexual you'd rather be with a women considering you're the type to celebrate the downfall of men, while refusing the reality that you are one. The funny thing about you is seeing how you're shooting yourself in the foot. Degeneracy goes further than sexual preference, it's self destruction of the self on many levels. 

And yet... the body count question. 

You said multiple times "men are cooked". So I see you as someone trying to get under my skin or make me feel obsolete or replaced by some false majority I will never even have to see, meet or deal with in this lifetime.

That's what you do when told you're not a woman. 

I tend to argue general trans rhetoric when it isn't me repeating myself. 

Interesting that you otherwise don't deny it though. 

Meanwhile you're a man yourself dreaming of one day being able to afford a fancy vibrator for your dirty loose anus, and after 39 years on the market, you still don't have one and probably will not get it anytime soon, but because you admire it, you like to think it makes you cool among real women ( You know, the ones you call cis women, the best ones with bonus holes ) Yeah to them you're all of the sudden in the loop with your manly schlong and all.

I may not be a 10 but I am more of what a good woman wants than you are Nathan. I'm more conservative, mentally stable, well put together, I can provide, I'm not a bitch either. Yes I'll fight too and get away with it sometimes, other times I won't get my way. What I am, is a better life for my partner in every way you can be regardless of love, on paper and in practice I'm a better state of being.  The wiser choice. The better catch.

Like you, I'm aware of all of these things. ( I say these things, you say those things, cause the attributes mentioned are with me, not you ) So yeah you'll come at me with your narrative that dildoes are taking over and things are better for you cause you'll access dick while I won't. You can have all of what I find vile, I promise I won't envy you.  

This is so rich omg. 

Still bet my body count's higher than yours, which kind of goes counter to your message. 

While you're a known gaslighter and liar ( Seriously it's visible and well documented in this community ) I'll just believe your last relationship was with crow. Especially while in the midst of an argument you want to bring new information such as you actually dating and having a life.

I've talked about people I was dating while on this forum before I was with Crow though..?

I never really hid this part of myself, it just didn't have this context when I'd go on about it. It's comparatively also super easy to have a life when you're still in high school or college, and my life since then's been pretty wild until the recent calm. 

I haven't gone on as much about the hookups or one nighters other than in the context of adjacent stories about my time at college. 

Women don't date down, they date up. This is unfortunate even for the big fish. You on the other hand have no choice but to date down, or someone of your own level, which isn't all that good considering your girl will always have one foot out the door since you won't exactly be able to fatten her up or match her instinct to find a partner that can bring stability and security to her and potential offspring. 

See this shit's depressing to read, because I know you really believe that and that's what has you choose to prefer to be by yourself. 

I don't believe that, and in return I end up with women who will 'date down' by your metric. What otherwise isn't a big house with fancy cars is instead genuine affection out of their partner who's willing to sit there and talk to them as a peer, cook meals for them, help with debriefs after work, and generally likes doing what they feel like doing. Believe it or not there are western women who like to feel like 'the provider' over that being their love language. 

My archetyping works out with strong women, and society is further and further embracing strong women as a cultural norm. As I said, when it comes to modern society don't hate the player hate the game, as it's built with people like me in mind. 

Spatial Mind said:  

Turncoat said:

Spatial Mind said:

Trump was always world famous. I've seen and heard of him my whole life too. The difference between you and I, I don't fall in line when the establishment sends their assets after him for political reasons. Yes he was an icon. The American dream. Rappers rapping about him, a playboy billionaire. well admired by the masses, until you were instructed not to by some of the worst people in the world. 

No dude he's always been a clown to me. His namesake comes from 'daddy's money' being used to prop himself up as his own mascot, and he was well known in the NY area for not paying his bills and loans, even going as far as to say 'they can sue him' if they want the rest. Anyone in the know saw him as a total joke no one took seriously pre-politics, and a bad business man who's properties and ventures had him declare bankruptcy over them... SIX TIMES. 

The dude's selling himself as Mickey Mouse to move product, and we've seen how ventures like Trump Steaks and Trump University went almost 1-to-1 with how his modern ventures are going, such as the Trump Mobile Phone. The only value in his brand is in the name, and that was also another byproduct of 'daddy's money'. 

I never respected him, I found him hilarious back when his blunders didn't hurt as many people at once. Him running for president was a major wtf moment out of anyone in the know of his time in New York and media. His spots on shows like Howard Stern is more the icing on the cake, and those also were recorded before he went into politics. 

You don't inspire anyone, and you think the world would hold you to a higher regard. 

Donald Trump IS, the American dream. He's had days that costed more than your entire life. That's status. 

He's also the President of the United States. HA HA HA. Democracy is really good sometimes. 

Yeah man, you're Trump deranged, while Trump has Jews and Iranians dancing on the street on the same day. lol.

I literally give you referential history, and you start laughing in all caps and calling him the American Messiah while insulting the one who said it. 

I, uh, think it might be you who is deranged over this if we're to use your word choice. What I've said is verifiable, you can look it up. 

In the Epstein files Trump is mentioned about 6,000 times. One late accusation filed in 2019 that held no weight for many reasons, his mention is mostly Jeffery doing his darndest with his connections to stop Donald Trump. 

In 2006 Trump was one of few people to call the police on Epstein, this too is documented in the Epstein files. It was also Trump's policy to declassify the files. 

Who signed the executive order to declassify the Epstein files ? None other than Donald Trump. None of the sources you follow and admire will ever tell you this. 

...they tried to claim the files didn't exist, after saying they had it on their desk. It took the likes of Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna to get as much of it as we have, not Trump. 

I feel like I don't need to ramble on about the shit they've found on him in there, you must know of it by now. 

That's false. 

Trump's policy was release the files. It was listed when he ran last time.

Dude, it was done through a democrat and republican working together to force it to happen. They then stalled it, issued tons of redactions (many that people found ways to unredact much of due to government incompetence), tons of files are still missing, and it's been pulling teeth for Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna to accomplish. 

The only argument I've heard that holds water, is some of MAGA asking why they didn't do this when Biden was serving president. 

Look into those names dude, they're the real reason we've come this far with the files. 

No man is perfect, but as far as politics goes, Trump is what the world needed.

Frankly I'm glad we have him at the helm instead of someone better at their job when it comes to pushing for Project 2025 rhetoric and policies at least, but that's more of a point in favor of Harm Reduction than anything else. 

lol Project 2025. What are you afraid of ? Queer people being taken off a pedestal ? There's nothing special about them, they are just people. 

We spoke at length about this before. 

Canadian Government did a 180 though things are still fucked up here. Entire nations are celebrating what Trump has done and what's coming next. 

They're pursuing foreign markets and making new allies in response to Trump adding tariffs where trade between Canada and the US used to be free, especially since "The Peace President's" jarring shift towards warmongering. 

This hardly appears as celebration to me. 

Trump's goal is to return the US to a tax free nation. He'll shrink the government and working so tariffs are where the government makes its money. That fucking beautiful if you ask me. 

Trudeau is gone, because of Trump. Yes Canada held an election because of that. A lot of the liberal parties policies have been reversed and we stopped giving Indians a fast pass to Canada. A lot of the damage cannot be undone. Canada is also doing more business with other nations, and STILL trading with the US.

Only for now...

They're supplementing their needs at current prices while they seek out better opportunities, and there's been far less importing between the two nations since the tariffs. 

The current state of Trumps tariffs are. Nothing. As it's been declined for being illegal. US Canada Mexico Agreement that Trump created remains in tact. 

Uhh... no. At the start of this year Trump gave Canadians a 35% tariff, and in response Canada threw a 25% tariff back at him. 

NAFTA's gone, USMCA's gone, and product availability has shifted. 

I know who she is. She's an ex Playboy Bunny.

She's not a Bunny dude, she was just hired to pose for the magazine a few times like many other women have. She's more known for being in Baywatch, and has had a career of shows, films, and cameos since then. Check her IMDB. 

Looking over her body of work, there's clear themes that lend to her being a woman who is at least professionally comfortable with her own body. 

None of that is important. Harassment is harassment. 

Yeah, when it actually is harassment. 

This was not, this was exhibitionism. Again look into the Megan Fox/Michael Bay debacle, that's harassment. 

By your logic, if a woman did any kind of porn, she's free game and men should be allowed to harass her sexually. In the skit she clearly wasn't up for it, but because she used to pose for nudes, your logic suggests it's okay.

No, by my logic Carmen Electra is an adult who did well enough for herself to pick her own gigs and interviews, and has demonstrated enough comfort with sex appeal and sex itself to respond as if it's less taboo of a subject. 

Carmen's effectively a Sex-Positive Feminist, and these displays are reflectant of that. 

Oh. So if she was a normal woman it wouldn't be okay for a bunch of guys to insist you get her clit stimulated when she kinda never wanted to.  Gocha. 

No, it's that her willingness to be herself has her fit that category of person. You can be sex positive without going full camgirl. 

She has autonomy. 

I have a sense of guilt sparing with you. Not cause of your simple mindedness, but because I am in a sense enabling you, while I know you lack common sense and wisdom. I'm sorry but it's been making me laugh. Are men cooked because of the dildo ? No. lol.  

Lonely men, also means lonely women. And there are many lonely women and men who'd like companionship with one another but damn. 

,,,,,,,Let that sink in Nathan. >>> When men are cooked, so are women.

SC is a small space, but in here there's a transexual speaking for women. That would be even more tragic on a grander scale. If you ask me, it is the woke that dealt damage to the dating sphere in the west.  

It's more common to see women upload vlogs about how "men don't approach women anymore". It isn't because men are incels, it's because men are giving women what they asked for. I did mention this. Sadly a lot of men are done with women, while we see women who aren't done with men.

Personally I think the whole thing is dumb, and it will do serious damage to the west. A generational gap is on the way, and if it continues, the population will become aged while fewer and fewer are born. Same issue Japan has is coming to the west. 

Lonely men = Lonely women. 

This is common sense. 

The ones who hate the US the most, want this to happen. Seems like you'd like it to happen too Nate.  

The men who approach women are the bravest. They risk defamation or harassment claims, though these men aren't stupid either. They're probably hooking up with women connected to their inner circles instead of approaching women on the street. 

These days when women approach men, the man will reject her due to modern expectations. Men have more standards than ever alongside more trust issues. Very wise in 2026, very wise.  

Oh yeah and on another note in regards to transexuals and the military. 

The reason why they don't want them there, is because they lack critical thinking skills. I bring this up now, cause I see it yet again here. 

Some woke folks will kick and scream about this. They shouldn't be allowed to go to war either. Ironically speaking, the ones with their heads screwed on properly are the ones they'll send on the front lines. In turn they defend the dysfunctional ones with the right to freedom of speech who are, the ones the west's biggest enemies rely on to dismantle them.

Spatial Mind said: 

I have a sense of guilt sparing with you. Not cause of your simple mindedness, but because I am in a sense enabling you, while I know you lack common sense and wisdom. I'm sorry but it's been making me laugh. Are men cooked because of the dildo ? No. lol.  

You can just say you're winding down, we're at four post long exchanges each at this point and that can be exhausting. 

It may be worth splitting the subject matter into separate topics, but it seems like we've at least hit somewhat of a mutual endpoint over: 
o Carmen Electra
o Sex Toys
o Motorcycles
o Trans vs Antitrans
o Body Count


This mostly leaves us with: 
o Men Are Cooked
o Tariffs
o Trump
o Epstein Files

If you want to revisit topics from the first list that's fine, but I think we can safely say these four in the second one are the ones with meat on the bones still. 

Lonely men, also means lonely women.

And there are many lonely women and men who'd like companionship with one another but damn. 

,,,,,,,Let that sink in Nathan. >>> When men are cooked, so are women.

Not necessarily, we've begun to see a rise in things like open marriages, throuples, and homosexual pairings thanks to adoption, in vitro fertilization, and children born of past relationships. There's also those who prefer being a single parent, but that's become less realistic in this economy. 

Men can be lonely while their seed is still being put to good use as a sperm donor, and once sperm is no longer needed with 'In Vitro Gametogenesis' men could feasibly be done away with entirely. 

As women grow to prefer the company of other women, men will keep to their porn and probably learn to fetishize being milked for progeny as their only escape vs Darwinist Failure. It's a win win; you get to have your time with the bois at your big screen while women raise our next generation of children properly. 

It's more common to see women upload vlogs about how "men don't approach women anymore".

And far more common to read about how The Manosphere is damaging male social skills. 

It isn't because men are incels, it's because men are giving women what they asked for. I did mention this. Sadly a lot of men are done with women, while we see women who aren't done with men.

It's incels dude, and the list I made that you tried to stonewall through earlier is praying on them as a cash crop. 

Honestly if dudes just read some of their literotica it'd become that much easier for them to understand women, but instead they spend all their time reading about failing men externalizing the pain as if it was anyone else but their own fault. 

The ones who hate the US the most, want this to happen. Seems like you'd like it to happen too Nate.  

I'd argue those who want this to happen are quintessentially more American than those who don't. 

It takes somewhere like America for these freedoms to be challenged far enough to become social norms. Other countries have accepted it too but had their own uphill battles to face over it (such as the ladyboy situation in Thailand). 

The men who approach women are the bravest. They risk defamation or harassment claims, though these men aren't stupid either. They're probably hooking up with women connected to their inner circles instead of approaching women on the street. 

Damn, thanks for calling me brave I guess. 😅

These days when women approach men, the man will reject her due to modern expectations. Men have more standards than ever alongside more trust issues. Very wise in 2026, very wise.  

They turn it down because they've been conditioned to expect failure. 

It's what's referred to in the field as Learned Helplessness. 

Spatial Mind said: 

Oh yeah and on another note in regards to transexuals and the military. 

The reason why they don't want them there, is because they lack critical thinking skills. I bring this up now, cause I see it yet again here. 

Uh, no, it's that being on hormone treatments makes it that much harder to be as strong. 

Even there, there's jobs that aren't grunts trudging through swamps with giant backpacks, like snipers or drone operators. There's a lot of jobs the military offers people that don't involve combat at all, and not allowing trans people to fill those spaces is asking for a weaker military overall. 

For real though, check this post I made at least for the info about the tariff situation and Epstein, as I think you might be working with outdated information. 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

I have a sense of guilt sparing with you. Not cause of your simple mindedness, but because I am in a sense enabling you, while I know you lack common sense and wisdom. I'm sorry but it's been making me laugh. Are men cooked because of the dildo ? No. lol.  

You can just say you're winding down, we're at four post long exchanges each at this point and that can be exhausting. 

It may be worth splitting the subject matter into separate topics, but it seems like we've at least hit somewhat of a mutual endpoint over: 
o Carmen Electra
o Sex Toys
o Motorcycles
o Trans vs Antitrans
o Body Count


This mostly leaves us with: 
o Men Are Cooked
o Tariffs
o Trump
o Epstein Files

If you want to revisit topics from the first list that's fine, but I think we can safely say these four in the second one are the ones with meat on the bones still. 

Nah

---

Lonely men, also means lonely women.

And there are many lonely women and men who'd like companionship with one another but damn. 

,,,,,,,Let that sink in Nathan. >>> When men are cooked, so are women.

Not necessarily, we've begun to see a rise in things like open marriages, throuples, and homosexual pairings thanks to adoption, in vitro fertilization, and children born of past relationships. There's also those who prefer being a single parent, but that's become less realistic in this economy. 

None of that will save the west cause majority rules, and those are things only found in minorities in fewer numbers than queers.

A throuple in my opinion isn't easily sustained. I had to confirm that and as I thought it requires a mature emotional intelligence and they really have to be on their toes with equality. It's bound to fail if all 3 aren't walking on eggshells. 2 members will favor one another. If the least favorite goes away then comes back, that member will need ALL the attention from the two that favor one another. 

If one gets 2 minutes more, everytime, that too will cause issues. Gossip is another concern. It's a recipe for a toxic relationship for the one who feels on the outside. 

Men can be lonely while their seed is still being put to good use as a sperm donor, and once sperm is no longer needed with 'In Vitro Gametogenesis' men could feasibly be done away with entirely. 

As women grow to prefer the company of other women, men will keep to their porn and probably learn to fetishize being milked for progeny as their only escape vs Darwinist Failure. It's a win win; you get to have your time with the bois at your big screen while women raise our next generation of children properly. 

Women hate each other on the most part, and most women by a landslide, are straight. They're also unhappy without a man.

Fatherless children often turn out bad. A lot of people in jail never had a male role model. A child without a male role model will have a long hard road up ahead. 

"Children without a male role model, particularly a father figure, face a higher risk of disadvantages, including emotional instability, lower academic performance, and higher rates of behavioral issues. Data suggests they are more prone to neglect, social, and economic challenges, including a greater risk of incarceration and addiction."  

It's more common to see women upload vlogs about how "men don't approach women anymore".

And far more common to read about how The Manosphere is damaging male social skills. 

When you're a faggot, you'll look at faggoty things written by miserable hags and some type of man hater, like they'll say how bad it is for men to approach women and it's so bad cause look at how they influence men to do A and B etc. 

Men don't approach women from liberal feminist ideas coming to the surface and going mainstream. Even women know it's other women's doing. It's evil tbh.

What the manosphere teaches is health and wealth. To give a woman the best version of yourself you possibly can. I think it pointless unless firm boundaries are set in stone. Without boundaries a woman will never respect a man. Respect is everything. A woman can easily leave or avoid a man she loves. Respect on the other hand is entirely different. To the core a man wants respect, he just doesn't know it how important it is. It's the 1 thing that keeps her interest in him.

It isn't because men are incels, it's because men are giving women what they asked for. I did mention this. Sadly a lot of men are done with women, while we see women who aren't done with men.

It's incels dude, and the list I made that you tried to stonewall through earlier is praying on them as a cash crop. 

Honestly if dudes just read some of their literotica it'd become that much easier for them to understand women, but instead they spend all their time reading about failing men externalizing the pain as if it was anyone else but their own fault. 

So by this logic, it was a male collective effort as to why men don't approach women. Like 1 giant cockblock. 

No.

Is it a secret to you that there was this whole metoo movement that went as far as to belittle men approaching women ? That a simple hello or complement was subject to toxic masculinity ? Something as simple as holding a door for a lady was considered some kind of tactic to get laid. That's when chivalry when out the window.

Hey, where is that term today, no one is saying it now. Toxic masculinity. 

When I look at this term and read about it, it's the same shit women do and are capable of. But the social engine pushed it to catcalling, creeping, harassment. 

I mentioned once, this place I used to work, I know people that still work there, and they said it's  gone crazy. They can't even look at a woman the wrong way, nor can they complement them. It's gotten pretty tense in that workspace due to modern social engineering. 

Even when I worked there. When I was low on parts, I'd make a list go in the office, smile, crack a joke and vamoose. Then some other bitches got upset that I got along with the beauty in that office, so I was no longer able to take my own orders, instead I had to pass it off to someone else. Meanwhile the woman in the office ( She was a 9.7 btw ) was really pissed off about that. She used to skip over to my workstation, them heels knocking on the floor, jiggly bouncing and have a word with me. Both of us, pure teeth with elevated cheeks when we spoke to one another.   

The ones who hate the US the most, want this to happen. Seems like you'd like it to happen too Nate.  

I'd argue those who want this to happen are quintessentially more American than those who don't. 

It takes somewhere like America for these freedoms to be challenged far enough to become social norms. Other countries have accepted it too but had their own uphill battles to face over it (such as the ladyboy situation in Thailand). 

The freedom to degenerate into extinction. I posted that video, you passed it off as a guy in a costume while seeming annoyed by it. What he said is 100% accurate and He made a valid point. LGB is useful to Islamic interests, and there you are thinking the more faggotry in the US, the better. It's really not dude. 

It's shortsighted and selfish to desire some homosexual utopia cause it's unsustainable for the future of a nation. In that case, the last of the aged queers will be put to rest by people who hate them, and at that point in time the last queer will know who forsaken them.