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Turncoat said: 

In general when looking at product reviews you will see a disproportionate amount of complaints, because those otherwise satisfied with the product would have less reason to log back on and talk about it. 

I turn to reddit for information in regards to how good it is. Honestly, all the sources promoting it are the ones saying it's out of this world. I also hate reddit but its better than seeking reviews I can't really find. I'm not actually going that hard on this subject tbh. Probably cause I seriously wouldn't enjoy using one. 

I ask people I meet, when they bring it up first. They're... descriptive enough to give me a solid impression. 😳

Other than that... once you've felt any level of vibration yourself... you can suddenly compare the experience to any other source of vibration. It's about the strength of it, primarily, and following questions of the shape or medium. 

I feel like complaints about it being 'too strong' are almost selling the product more than turning people away, for the... market that is in less of a hurry to talk about their needs (which is a surprising number of people now). 

You've openly gaslit, and now you expect anyone to believe people you meet bring up the Sybian, as though it's the talk of the town. 

Nate. The Sybian is something you wish was gifted to you. That is all. 

I wouldn't recommend women use such a thing as the sybian, it can cause temporary nerve damage making it impossible to sense pleasure. 

Men are cooked. 

That's something you said for the 2nd or 3rd time now. Yes some men are cooked, you in particular are well done. 

This also is a fair critique over the product that would affect the reviews. Expensive means less people being able to afford it. Or, it's them having to justify that big of an expense for a sex toy, a similar challenge seen when it comes to the Sex Doll market. 

There is usually a cheaper alternative. 

I think a lot women will at some point, pack it up and store it away, or get rid of it. It's very loud. In a condo unit the twin industrial grade electric motors will grind away and piss off the people living under the user. They will also know it's a sextoy from the various speed settings.  In a house environment, family, friends and other housemates will know when the machine is being used.

Its the jackhammer of sex toys. Prolonged usage of a sybian will certainly torment the user.

Women can rely on toys more than they can rely on men, be them in a committed relationship, femme-red pilling, or flying solo. It fills in for the times they're alone and covers for the man can't satisfy them. 

...or, if you recharge quickly enough and they have the stamina, it gives you something to do so they don't lose momentum. 

It's also just generally fun and bonding to fuck with your partner with toys when your body is otherwise too tired. Men love a handy if the alternative is nothing and women are the same way when it comes to oral, and toys can sometimes add an extra dimension to it. 

Personally. I have 0 interest if a woman uses a dildo. I've recommended them to female couples.

Yes the dating scene between men and woman is dying, and it's why, the very nation that allows faggots be be faggots in peace, will die. In the future of the US, LGB will be executed. This is not something I wish. It's just the outcome when a nation of people fail to procreate, while their worst enemy, are building large families.

As usual you claim degeneracy to be progress. The LGB of tomorrow will be the offspring of the straight, while as usual the LGB will have no offspring.

Nate. What you call "progress" will be your legacy, and the legacy of the LBG are ideologies that suit the people who actually want them dead.

You cannot understand that, or else your brain might crash.

I know you'd like to see all the woman turn to vibrators and replace men sexually. I recall you wagging your tail at the idea of men not being needed to reproduce.

It's more hilarious to me to see the modern expression of masculinity deny truly determinist-leaning trends. 

We can trace a trajectory, men are cooked. 

Yes Nathan I know. I brought up many times how you're gleeful about such things as the separation of men and women. 

Also keep in mind. Crow never left you for a dildo. Though you wish she had, that never happened.  You are a man, and no woman will ever leave you because of a sex toy.

To be honest, I don't think a woman will ever have the chance to leave you ever again.

While you refuse to accept it, you're a man too. You can still ignore this fact all you wish, and just say you're a person with a penis. Well. If men become sexually obsolete to women, it will mean you will be too.

I am someone, who regardless of gender, hopes to feel loved and capable of love for them. 

I seek companionship that allows for synergy, and both men and women have the capacity to fulfill that role. 

 When we say things, we set it in motion. You stressed how men are cooked, and you ARE a man and you've been cooked for some time now. And you hope to "feel loved" and you hope to be "capable of love for them".

As a mentally conflicted man you're seeking companionship. Sure it could be a male or female you'll burden with your inabilities, but where are they ?

I don't think you have the capacity to love others. Too self absorbed. 

You're what now ? 36 years old. Coming up on 40 and single. You're upbeat about men not getting what you desire, which is love and companionship. You don't deserve to be loved. 

Spatial Mind said: 

Turncoat said: 

I ask people I meet, when they bring it up first. They're... descriptive enough to give me a solid impression. 😳

Other than that... once you've felt any level of vibration yourself... you can suddenly compare the experience to any other source of vibration. It's about the strength of it, primarily, and following questions of the shape or medium. 

I feel like complaints about it being 'too strong' are almost selling the product more than turning people away, for the... market that is in less of a hurry to talk about their needs (which is a surprising number of people now). 

You've openly gaslit, and now you expect anyone to believe people you meet bring up the Sybian, as though it's the talk of the town. 

I'd meant sex toys in general come up often enough in discussions, but then again I have women telling me about their periods and in high school/college was in enough 'girls night' hangouts where I let my hair be straightened or makeup be put on me and stuff... so clearly I'm working within a different realm of honesty than you are when it comes to talking to women. I also tend to hang with more socially liberated people who find less discomfort in something more and more people are becoming comfortable discussing with their peers. 

My point following that was over how once you know a few vibrators, or even just one, that you can compare it more generally over vibration strength itself, be that over watching someone else use it or over hand-feeling/listening to one. 

The Sybian itself doesn't come up as often these days, it's a big rig and with that it's harder to hide it, but generally speaking it's not that weird to talk to women about vibrators if they bring up the topic first. Generally people want something within a more practical price range that they can hide in a drawer if not in their luggage. 

Nate. The Sybian is something you wish was gifted to you. That is all. 

No? 

I prefer something more portable. 

I wouldn't recommend women use such a thing as the sybian, it can cause temporary nerve damage making it impossible to sense pleasure. 

Men are cooked. 

That's something you said for the 2nd or 3rd time now. Yes some men are cooked, you in particular are well done. 

We're only at the start of the sex toy boom dude, the tech will only get better with time. 

 

Women can rely on toys more than they can rely on men, be them in a committed relationship, femme-red pilling, or flying solo. It fills in for the times they're alone and covers for the man can't satisfy them. 

...or, if you recharge quickly enough and they have the stamina, it gives you something to do so they don't lose momentum. 

It's also just generally fun and bonding to fuck with your partner with toys when your body is otherwise too tired. Men love a handy if the alternative is nothing and women are the same way when it comes to oral, and toys can sometimes add an extra dimension to it. 

Personally. I have 0 interest if a woman uses a dildo. I've recommended them to female couples.

Yes the dating scene between men and woman is dying, and it's why, the very nation that allows faggots be be faggots in peace, will die. In the future of the US, LGB will be executed. This is not something I wish. It's just the outcome when a nation of people fail to procreate, while their worst enemy, are building large families.

As usual you claim degeneracy to be progress. The LGB of tomorrow will be the offspring of the straight, while as usual the LGB will have no offspring.

Nate. What you call "progress" will be your legacy, and the legacy of the LBG are ideologies that suit the people who actually want them dead.

You cannot understand that, or else your brain might crash.

This is clearly a daydream you've found yourself having often. Sorry but I don't imagine a US future where LGBTQ is dragged to the gas chambers. 

Also gay people can adopt or be fertilized in vitro. The only shitty part about the latter is the price point, but in general there is nothing about modern society that otherwise stops a family from having gay parents, as they could even have someone else involved 'the old fashioned way' temporarily or with a turkey baster or whatever.

And then there's bisexuals or recently out of the closet types who've already had a kid in a previous relationship. 

It's more hilarious to me to see the modern expression of masculinity deny truly determinist-leaning trends. 

We can trace a trajectory, men are cooked. 

Yes Nathan I know. I brought up many times how you're gleeful about such things as the separation of men and women. 

Also keep in mind. Crow never left you for a dildo. Though you wish she had, that never happened.  You are a man, and no woman will ever leave you because of a sex toy.

This isn't about separating, and she and I used toys together so I'm not really sure what your point is here other than you giving yourself room to vent. 

To be honest, I don't think a woman will ever have the chance to leave you ever again.

I already got women hitting up my DMs on the regular, but I understand your projected frustration you'd choose to overlay on your perception of me over seeing someone finding men being in decline hilarious over how people like you stomp your little feet over it in (sexual) frustration. 

I am someone, who regardless of gender, hopes to feel loved and capable of love for them. 

I seek companionship that allows for synergy, and both men and women have the capacity to fulfill that role. 

When we say things, we set it in motion. You stressed how men are cooked, and you ARE a man and you've been cooked for some time now. And you hope to "feel loved" and you hope to be "capable of love for them".

As a mentally conflicted man you're seeking companionship. Sure it could be a male or female you'll burden with your inabilities, but where are they ?

I don't think you have the capacity to love others. Too self absorbed. 

You're what now ? 36 years old. Coming up on 40 and single. You're upbeat about men not getting what you desire, which is love and companionship. You don't deserve to be loved. 

Willing to bet I've been with more women than you have (and more men~). 

Don't hate the player, hate the game dude. It's more designed with people like me in mind, and if you stopped being so antiquated you could probably be back in the dating scene no problem. 

Spatial Mind said: 

 

For real, are you seriously worried about US depopulation to the point of Islam invasion? For fucks sake look at the 1% and see how that can't happen here. 

 Yes and no. It won't be an invasion. You'll simply get outnumbered. Right now the only thing keeping the US afloat are conservative values. Liberals widely want to just let anyone in, without knowing the outcome. 

It's happening in Japan right now where only 705,809 children were born last year. The generation gap will force Japan to start opening their doors to immigrants, and eventually the Japanese culture and it's people will become a minority before getting swallowed up by immigrants. 

You ever been to Japan? 

The only programs I see for foreigners there are jobs teaching English, restoring abandoned houses, and 'White Monkey Jobs'. Comparing them to the US is damn near false equivalence. 

Also the US was founded on the backs of immigrants, and forgoing that value is inherently at it's core anti-American. We've even seen your boi Elon Musk wanting to bring in foreign labor and our current president is married to an Immigrant. 

The west is facing the same issue. Dating sucks, men and women hooking up is on a decline. You yourself brought up the male loneliness issue. That goes the same for women. Night clubs are shutting down cause only chicks are going to them, barely any men. 

The issue I see women facing is that the modern manospheric sort are insufferable to deal with. 

If anything those types make my job easier. 

The west will see a generation gap. A lot of faggotry going on here, and no one wants children in the west. 

Do you even know how many children are in adoption agencies, be it local to the US or adopting worldwide from other countries? 

The main issue with children right now is the price point, it's not realistic in this economy to spawn additional mouths to feed. 

Spatial Mind said:

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

To be honest, that was a borderline rape video.

...you're next tier dude. 

I know Howard Stern sounds creepy but it's Donald Trump tier from the other party, and unlike Donald in women's changing rooms Howard at least hired professionals on his show. 

You really believe everything the mainstream media says about Trump eh ?

I've seen episodes and followed DJ Trump's career before even catching wind of him having presidential interests, even watched The Apprentice and his self-plug in Battle of the Billionaires, saw him talking food with Grimace and try to sugarcoat a divorce with a Pizza Hut ad. He was an icon long before he hit politics and I'm a media junkie, I've had opinions over the man as early as the late 90s to early 00s. 

My folks spent years of their lives together in New York, they couldn't escape hearing about him and they let me in on that lore. When the three of us heard he was running for president of 2016 we had a collective 'wtf' over it. It's not like we didn't know he self-repped as a Dem prior, there's even people in the MAGA party who are calling him an Undercover Dem. It's not about party lines, it's about the man. 

It was on par with The Governator hype, but now it's its own monster. 

Howard Stern insisted she get her pussy stimulated and most of you clip showcased that. She kinda never wanted to. Still the whole thing is fake and they sold you the idea that the machine is top notch and worth the money. Imagine if Trump did that. You'd have a meltdown, but there you are thinking nothing of the skit. 

You clearly don't know Carmen Electra and insist instead on the default of a 'weak woman'. 



She likes S&M, likes being spanked with a cane, and has no issues talking about it other than not wanting to talk about her porn addiction. 

Sexual harassment video for sure as they insisted she have her cunt stimulated.

It's Howard Stern, it's Carmen Electra. What are you even on about? 

This was during the era of The Man Show, a show that miraculously has not blacklisted Jimmy Kimmel. Are you suddenly a modern snowflake insofar as to find old media this shocking? Woah... you might be more of a leftist than me. 😏

Excuse me. But are you saying she wasn't pressured ?

I personally don't care about the show, or Carmen or Howard. I'm still able to call out things as it is. 

The paid promotion of the Sybian on Howard Stern, broadcasted a "skit" of forced sexual harassment, as the skit depicted men insisting Carmen get her pussy stimulated. Took awhile to get her on there.  

You're mistaking awkwardness for something more over puritanical views blinding you to context. Read her face, it's not like what Megan Fox had to deal with from Michael Bay. 

Not saying Howard's a saint, far from defending that dude, but it's Carmen Electra. It has more exhibitionist leanings than anything and she was in a position at that point of her career to easily turn it down. 

That clip you posted was shot 20 years ago, and there you are trying to sell it without even experiencing it for yourself. 

I already know what it would feel like, and I wouldn't like it. 

You don't even know how to compare vibration strengths yet, this is some Dunning Kruger at it's finest. 

How do I know when I never tried it ?

Guy. I used to ride Motorcycles that can rev up to 13000 rpm, which is much higher and has more rumble than a sybian and no I never got off on it and I wouldn't have liked a stick up my ass.  

Motorcycles are very different, and even further you did it with clothes on. 

You'd need to practically sit on the engine itself. 

Yet, Barely anyone has a Sybian. You're talking as though it's a common as mobile devices.

Also on planet Earth women fuck men more than the sybian, by a landslide. 

As a matter of fact. No woman here are talking about the Sybian.

Did Alice and Peach have one ? Probably not, they were looking for a male 3rd party.

Delora ain't getting one. 

Lena can use one, oh yeah. Look how miserable she is. But she's not exactly all excited about the thing as far as I can see. 

Don't see Zena talking about it. Maybe she would like it, who knows. Who knows what she's doing back there. 

You know what sells more than the Sybian ? Love dolls. 

Love dolls. Some guys can't get laid, and in 2026 most guys aren't going to get laid. It's not because of the Sybian lol. 

I can't help but notice how much you keep avoiding points I make about the overall market to appeal to a single product from the mid-80s. 

Barely anyone has a Ferarri, are Ferraris failing? No, it's a luxury and that's it's market appeal at that price point. 

Men are cooked. 

That's one thing that crosses my mind when it comes to you Nate. 

In reality men are more content being single.

...

There are still good women out there, caught in the crossfire of men rejecting women, which is a response to how women are these days. 

This, is some primo grade A copium, unfiltered. 

They are not content with it there is literally markets that pray on how much they want them (eg The War Room via Andrew Tate, Onlyfans, PornHub, Manosphere, Discord fembots, sex dolls and wifu pillows, Vtuber models, the list goes on). Meet a genuinely asexual man, it's totally different. 

Women are rejecting men so hard that men are going 'you can't fire me, I quit'. That's MGTOW in a nutshell, as you never see asexual males going on about it. If they already can't get laid, it's expected for them to claim they were never trying to to justify after the fact how they keep fucking it up. 

In a world where women are ruined it's okay for a man to dial a ho every once in awhile. It's more affordable than keeping a western woman. 

...

I'd recommend going overseas to find a good respectful woman. 

Where, like Pattaya?

I never figured you the sort to hire a prostitute. 

lol. So if someone doesn't goon out, they'll get old and become forgotten, for they are uncool. Guy. Do you realize how that sounds like fear mongering in the name of sex toys. "You better get on it, or else !"

All I have to do, is relate to their media. 

By being bisexual. 

A self absorbed response. 

No, a bisexual one. 

I'd argue that your seeing all answers as wrong if they don't match up with yours to be the self absorbed replies, since it denies any other perspective.

No offense but you're practically Solipsist at this point. 

But no Nathan. Just because someone doesn't masturbate with sex toys, will not make them uncool. 

Actually it kind of does make them uncool, at least if they go on about it like you do. 

Total wet blanket behavior to act like you're above the things your peers otherwise find to be normal. 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said:

Turncoat said: 

...you're next tier dude. 

I know Howard Stern sounds creepy but it's Donald Trump tier from the other party, and unlike Donald in women's changing rooms Howard at least hired professionals on his show. 

You really believe everything the mainstream media says about Trump eh ?

I've seen episodes and followed DJ Trump's career before even catching wind of him having presidential interests, even watched The Apprentice and his self-plug in Battle of the Billionaires, saw him talking food with Grimace and try to sugarcoat a divorce with a Pizza Hut ad. He was an icon long before he hit politics and I'm a media junkie, I've had opinions over the man as early as the late 90s to early 00s. 

My folks spent years of their lives together in New York, they couldn't escape hearing about him and they let me in on that lore. When the three of us heard he was running for president of 2016 we had a collective 'wtf' over it. It's not like we didn't know he self-repped as a Dem prior, there's even people in the MAGA party who are calling him an Undercover Dem. It's not about party lines, it's about the man. 

It was on par with The Governator hype, but now it's its own monster. 

Trump was always world famous. I've seen and heard of him my whole life too. The difference between you and I, I don't fall in line when the establishment sends their assets after him for political reasons. Yes he was an icon. The American dream. Rappers rapping about him, a playboy billionaire. well admired by the masses, until you were instructed not to by some of the worst people in the world. 

In the Epstein files Trump is mentioned about 6,000 times. One late accusation filed in 2019 that held no weight for many reasons, his mention is mostly Jeffery doing his darndest with his connections to stop Donald Trump. 

In 2006 Trump was one of few people to call the police on Epstein, this too is documented in the Epstein files. It was also Trump's policy to declassify the files. 

Who signed the executive order to declassify the Epstein files ? None other than Donald Trump. None of the sources you follow and admire will ever tell you this. 

The masses who follow the MSM smear campaign, do so under Epstein's wishes as he had many connections across the board. Politicians and TV and Hollywood personalities. Now you'd argue no you're not, but clearly what's done is done, and some minds are too prideful to reassess the facts.

No man is perfect, but as far as politics goes, Trump is what the world needed. Canadian Government did a 180 though things are still fucked up here. Entire nations are celebrating what Trump has done and what's coming next.    

Howard Stern insisted she get her pussy stimulated and most of you clip showcased that. She kinda never wanted to. Still the whole thing is fake and they sold you the idea that the machine is top notch and worth the money. Imagine if Trump did that. You'd have a meltdown, but there you are thinking nothing of the skit. 

You clearly don't know Carmen Electra and insist instead on the default of a 'weak woman'. 



She likes S&M, likes being spanked with a cane, and has no issues talking about it other than not wanting to talk about her porn addiction. 

I know who she is. She's an ex Playboy Bunny.

By your logic, if a woman did any kind of porn, she's free game and men should be allowed to harass her sexually. In the skit she clearly wasn't up for it, but because she used to pose for nudes, your logic suggests it's okay.

In 2026 Howard Stern won't be doing anything of the sort. Times are different and doing stuff like that today will get people cancelled. 

Finally, I don't care if he gets in trouble or not or whatever it is he did to "advertise" the paid promotion for the Sybian. What I do know is how to call a spade and spade, and stay out of trouble. 

I also know if Trump did that, you'd have a complete meltdown, cause you're degranged. 

NDA with Stormy Daniels is legal btw, regardless if it existed or not, what "they" keep trying to do is fucked up. 

It's Howard Stern, it's Carmen Electra. What are you even on about? 

This was during the era of The Man Show, a show that miraculously has not blacklisted Jimmy Kimmel. Are you suddenly a modern snowflake insofar as to find old media this shocking? Woah... you might be more of a leftist than me. 😏

Excuse me. But are you saying she wasn't pressured ?

I personally don't care about the show, or Carmen or Howard. I'm still able to call out things as it is. 

The paid promotion of the Sybian on Howard Stern, broadcasted a "skit" of forced sexual harassment, as the skit depicted men insisting Carmen get her pussy stimulated. Took awhile to get her on there.  

You're mistaking awkwardness for something more over puritanical views blinding you to context. Read her face, it's not like what Megan Fox had to deal with from Michael Bay. 

Not saying Howard's a saint, far from defending that dude, but it's Carmen Electra. It has more exhibitionist leanings than anything and she was in a position at that point of her career to easily turn it down. 

Okay, so you defend that behavior. Damn Nathan, I thought you were about women's rights. And I know what you're going to say, she liked it yadda yadda. Still the skit entailed that she was pressured. Again, replace Howard with Trump, and you'd easily have a meltdown.   

That clip you posted was shot 20 years ago, and there you are trying to sell it without even experiencing it for yourself. 

I already know what it would feel like, and I wouldn't like it. 

You don't even know how to compare vibration strengths yet, this is some Dunning Kruger at it's finest. 

lol. Some day over the rainbow, that will be important. But really, I'm not interested in using a vibrator. I like women. Not all, just some of them.   

How do I know when I never tried it ?

Guy. I used to ride Motorcycles that can rev up to 13000 rpm, which is much higher and has more rumble than a sybian and no I never got off on it and I wouldn't have liked a stick up my ass.  

Motorcycles are very different, and even further you did it with clothes on. 

You'd need to practically sit on the engine itself. 

Dude. I rode bikes that were so loud you can feel the ground shake. It would've made little to no difference if I removed my jeans and boxers. I also don't have a clitoris, but with that much vibration a clit wouldn't even have to make direct contact with the seat.

I once removed the pipes from one of my bikes, and it was so disgustingly loud, I felt guilty. It's a real disturbance. Took it around the block and I most certainly woke up babies from naptime. I came back and put the pipes back on. 

Yet, Barely anyone has a Sybian. You're talking as though it's a common as mobile devices.

Also on planet Earth women fuck men more than the sybian, by a landslide. 

As a matter of fact. No woman here are talking about the Sybian.

Did Alice and Peach have one ? Probably not, they were looking for a male 3rd party.

Delora ain't getting one. 

Lena can use one, oh yeah. Look how miserable she is. But she's not exactly all excited about the thing as far as I can see. 

Don't see Zena talking about it. Maybe she would like it, who knows. Who knows what she's doing back there. 

You know what sells more than the Sybian ? Love dolls. 

Love dolls. Some guys can't get laid, and in 2026 most guys aren't going to get laid. It's not because of the Sybian lol. 

I can't help but notice how much you keep avoiding points I make about the overall market to appeal to a single product from the mid-80s. 

Barely anyone has a Ferarri, are Ferraris failing? No, it's a luxury and that's it's market appeal at that price point. 

Okay Nathan.

Sybian Annual Revenue: $6.5 million

Unit Price: ~$1,245 for a standard model

Calculation: Total Revenue ÷ Unit Price = ~5,221 units per year.

Let's just say Sybian sold the same every year since launch...

So 5,221 x 39 = 203,619

An estimated less than a quarter million units sold in the 39 years it's been on market. 

In my opinion the price of the machine is affordable for most people, just not really worth the money. Yes it's your dream machine, so save up and get it for yourself, and it's probably not a good idea to sell the idea to someone like me.

Men are cooked. 

That's one thing that crosses my mind when it comes to you Nate. 

In reality men are more content being single.

...

There are still good women out there, caught in the crossfire of men rejecting women, which is a response to how women are these days. 

This, is some primo grade A copium, unfiltered. 

Said the single man to a taken one in demand. 

They are not content with it there is literally markets that pray on how much they want them (eg The War Room via Andrew Tate, Onlyfans, PornHub, Manosphere, Discord fembots, sex dolls and wifu pillows, Vtuber models, the list goes on). Meet a genuinely asexual man, it's totally different. 

Women are rejecting men so hard that men are going 'you can't fire me, I quit'. That's MGTOW in a nutshell, as you never see asexual males going on about it. If they already can't get laid, it's expected for them to claim they were never trying to to justify after the fact how they keep fucking it up. 

Still truth be told. Men are more content being single than women. I've been saying it for years, rejection is a part of manhood. Going without is nothing new to a man, we're built for it. You've been rejected and still single. Maybe you cry yourself to sleep at night cause you're a sissy man. 

We get to do whatever we want when single, and we're going to build things, and play games, and cook food. Make jokes with the boys while eating whatever we want in comfort in front of a big screen. Porn, we got porn. We have money. Most men don't care about hoes but we got hoes. Cheap ones. Less work less mess. 

Men are more picky too. Things like the war room and the manosphere tell men to choose wisely as it matters not how big and cool you are, getting involved with the wrong bitch will fuck you up. All the richest men in the world including sought after athletes. All Divorce. ( Been saying long ago, don't have to get married )

I'm more traditional and it's not my goal to fuck as much broads as I can either. 

There are also women out there that support men's perspective on the state of the western woman. They get a lot of love from us.

In a world where women are ruined it's okay for a man to dial a ho every once in awhile. It's more affordable than keeping a western woman. 

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I'd recommend going overseas to find a good respectful woman. 

Where, like Pattaya?

I never figured you the sort to hire a prostitute. 

So by your logic, women who aren't western, are prostitutes. We're talking about the majority of women here, as most women on this planet don't live in the west. 

All I have to do, is relate to their media. 

By being bisexual. 

A self absorbed response. 

No, a bisexual one. 

I'd argue that your seeing all answers as wrong if they don't match up with yours to be the self absorbed replies, since it denies any other perspective.

No offense but you're practically Solipsist at this point. 

You based the response on yourself and not the subject. At that instance we were talking about women in the sex toy market, while I was mocking your idea that if we don't use sex toys we're uncool cause we're not keeping up with the trend.

And I know you're all about trends. Not me. I'm not going to start doing shit because it went viral on Tiktok or something. 

Men don't consider homosexuality, unless they are homosexuals, which the discussion doesn't include. Men aren't worried about men shoving a greasy dildo in their smelly anus and pulling out feces. 

But no Nathan. Just because someone doesn't masturbate with sex toys, will not make them uncool. 

Actually it kind of does make them uncool, at least if they go on about it like you do. 

Total wet blanket behavior to act like you're above the things your peers otherwise find to be normal. 

 Let's make one thing clear. I'm entertaining a subject of your choice, I'm taking the time to discuss dildos to begin with because watching you try to sell the idea of one makes me marvel on how out of touch with reality you are.

I don't feel threatened by the dildo, nor do I have any interest it using one. 

The Sybian, is a niche gimmick, and it's very small target market isn't exactly the best and brightest.

I won't tremble in my sleep knowing there are lonely people out there using dildos, or using them out of preference.

I do not envy bisexuals as homosexuality to me is vile. If someone is a homosexual, that's their business not mine.

I care not about what women do while they have nothing to do with me. That being the majority.

You said multiple times "men are cooked". So I see you as someone trying to get under my skin or make me feel obsolete or replaced by some false majority I will never even have to see, meet or deal with in this lifetime. Meanwhile you're a man yourself dreaming of one day being able to afford a fancy vibrator for your dirty loose anus, and after 39 years on the market, you still don't have one and probably will not get it anytime soon, but because you admire it, you like to think it makes you cool among real women ( You know, the ones you call cis women, the best ones with bonus holes ) Yeah to them you're all of the sudden in the loop with your manly schlong and all.

I may not be a 10 but I am more of what a good woman wants than you are Nathan. I'm more conservative, mentally stable, well put together, I can provide, I'm not a bitch either. Yes I'll fight too and get away with it sometimes, other times I won't get my way. What I am, is a better life for my partner in every way you can be regardless of love, on paper and in practice I'm a better state of being.  The wiser choice. The better catch.

Like you, I'm aware of all of these things. ( I say these things, you say those things, cause the attributes mentioned are with me, not you ) So yeah you'll come at me with your narrative that dildoes are taking over and things are better for you cause you'll access dick while I won't. You can have all of what I find vile, I promise I won't envy you.  

Spatial Mind said:

I can't help but notice how much you keep avoiding points I make about the overall market to appeal to a single product from the mid-80s. 

Barely anyone has a Ferarri, are Ferraris failing? No, it's a luxury and that's it's market appeal at that price point. 

Okay Nathan.

Sybian Annual Revenue: $6.5 million

Unit Price: ~$1,245 for a standard model

Calculation: Total Revenue ÷ Unit Price = ~5,221 units per year.

Let's just say Sybian sold the same every year since launch...

So 5,221 x 39 = 203,619

An estimated less than a quarter million units sold in the 39 years it's been on market. 

So literally like the Ferrari. 

And thanks for self-demonstrating my point over how you keep looking at the one product. 

In my opinion the price of the machine is affordable for most people, just not really worth the money.

Most people don't have $1500 to blow on a sex toy, especially when their named piece was cheaper and they already own it. 

It's a Ferrari. 

This, is some primo grade A copium, unfiltered. 

They are not content with it there is literally markets that pray on how much they want them (eg The War Room via Andrew Tate, Onlyfans, PornHub, Manosphere, Discord fembots, sex dolls and wifu pillows, Vtuber models, the list goes on). Meet a genuinely asexual man, it's totally different. 

Women are rejecting men so hard that men are going 'you can't fire me, I quit'. That's MGTOW in a nutshell, as you never see asexual males going on about it. If they already can't get laid, it's expected for them to claim they were never trying to to justify after the fact how they keep fucking it up. 

Still truth be told. Men are more content being single than women.

Me: /presents multiple examples

You: /repeats yourself

I've been saying it for years, rejection is a part of manhood. Going without is nothing new to a man, we're built for it. You've been rejected and still single. Maybe you cry yourself to sleep at night cause you're a sissy man. 

Weird, I wasn't used to being single until fairly recently. I typically hopped from one relationship to the next and they'd last for years, which must say something for my success rate being higher than average when compared to your idea of men. 

Going beyond personal jabs however your point still screams projection when you barely have to look to find suffering men buying Belle Delphine's bathwater or turning their laptops into Gooning Rigs. 

You might be able to tell yourself you're okay with being alone, to save time I'll spare that point for now, but the majority who try at least are copium-based liars who'd contradict themselves the first chance they got. 

We get to do whatever we want when single, and we're going to build things, and play games, and cook food. Make jokes with the boys while eating whatever we want in comfort in front of a big screen. Porn, we got porn. We have money. Most men don't care about hoes but we got hoes. Cheap ones. Less work less mess. 

...sorry but this is hilarious, you're making my arguments for me now. 

'WE DON'T NEED WOMEN WHEN WE GOT PORN!' 

Oh maaannn, Men are Cooked 😂

Men are more picky too. Things like the war room and the manosphere tell men to choose wisely as it matters not how big and cool you are, getting involved with the wrong bitch will fuck you up. All the richest men in the world including sought after athletes. All Divorce. ( Been saying long ago, don't have to get married )

I feel like, based on former conversations, that you never fully immersed yourself in Andrew Tate's material but rather nodded along with the presented themes. 

I'm more traditional and it's not my goal to fuck as much broads as I can either. 

Says the guy who claims he'd rather wank it to porn and hang with the bros than date a woman. 

In a world where women are ruined it's okay for a man to dial a ho every once in awhile. It's more affordable than keeping a western woman. 

...

I'd recommend going overseas to find a good respectful woman. 

Where, like Pattaya?

I never figured you the sort to hire a prostitute. 

So by your logic, women who aren't western, are prostitutes. We're talking about the majority of women here, as most women on this planet don't live in the west. 

'Dial a ho', 'go overseas', this tends to mean prostitution when said by people of the First World. 

Okay lets entertain this argument from you though: Where would you recommend lonely dudes fly to find 'respectful women'? 

Men don't consider homosexuality, unless they are homosexuals, which the discussion doesn't include. 

Have you never heard of 'Allies' when it comes to the LGBTQ? 

But no Nathan. Just because someone doesn't masturbate with sex toys, will not make them uncool. 

Actually it kind of does make them uncool, at least if they go on about it like you do. 

Total wet blanket behavior to act like you're above the things your peers otherwise find to be normal. 

 Let's make one thing clear. I'm entertaining a subject of your choice, I'm taking the time to discuss dildos to begin with because watching you try to sell the idea of one makes me marvel on how out of touch with reality you are. 

...it was a joke at your expense dude, I don't expect you to invest in dildos. 

You know (wo)men like a good sense of humor, right? 

You said multiple times "men are cooked". So I see you as someone trying to get under my skin or make me feel obsolete or replaced by some false majority I will never even have to see, meet or deal with in this lifetime.

Meanwhile you're a man yourself dreaming of one day being able to afford a fancy vibrator for your dirty loose anus, and after 39 years on the market, you still don't have one and probably will not get it anytime soon, but because you admire it, you like to think it makes you cool among real women ( You know, the ones you call cis women, the best ones with bonus holes ) Yeah to them you're all of the sudden in the loop with your manly schlong and all.

I may not be a 10 but I am more of what a good woman wants than you are Nathan. I'm more conservative, mentally stable, well put together, I can provide, I'm not a bitch either. Yes I'll fight too and get away with it sometimes, other times I won't get my way. What I am, is a better life for my partner in every way you can be regardless of love, on paper and in practice I'm a better state of being.  The wiser choice. The better catch.

Like you, I'm aware of all of these things. ( I say these things, you say those things, cause the attributes mentioned are with me, not you ) So yeah you'll come at me with your narrative that dildoes are taking over and things are better for you cause you'll access dick while I won't. You can have all of what I find vile, I promise I won't envy you.  

This is so rich omg. 

Still bet my body count's higher than yours, which kind of goes counter to your message. 

Spatial Mind said:

Turncoat said:

Spatial Mind said:

You really believe everything the mainstream media says about Trump eh ?

I've seen episodes and followed DJ Trump's career before even catching wind of him having presidential interests, even watched The Apprentice and his self-plug in Battle of the Billionaires, saw him talking food with Grimace and try to sugarcoat a divorce with a Pizza Hut ad. He was an icon long before he hit politics and I'm a media junkie, I've had opinions over the man as early as the late 90s to early 00s. 

My folks spent years of their lives together in New York, they couldn't escape hearing about him and they let me in on that lore. When the three of us heard he was running for president of 2016 we had a collective 'wtf' over it. It's not like we didn't know he self-repped as a Dem prior, there's even people in the MAGA party who are calling him an Undercover Dem. It's not about party lines, it's about the man. 

It was on par with The Governator hype, but now it's its own monster. 

Trump was always world famous. I've seen and heard of him my whole life too. The difference between you and I, I don't fall in line when the establishment sends their assets after him for political reasons. Yes he was an icon. The American dream. Rappers rapping about him, a playboy billionaire. well admired by the masses, until you were instructed not to by some of the worst people in the world. 

No dude he's always been a clown to me. His namesake comes from 'daddy's money' being used to prop himself up as his own mascot, and he was well known in the NY area for not paying his bills and loans, even going as far as to say 'they can sue him' if they want the rest. Anyone in the know saw him as a total joke no one took seriously pre-politics, and a bad business man who's properties and ventures had him declare bankruptcy over them... SIX TIMES. 

The dude's selling himself as Mickey Mouse to move product, and we've seen how ventures like Trump Steaks and Trump University went almost 1-to-1 with how his modern ventures are going, such as the Trump Mobile Phone. The only value in his brand is in the name, and that was also another byproduct of 'daddy's money'. 

I never respected him, I found him hilarious back when his blunders didn't hurt as many people at once. Him running for president was a major wtf moment out of anyone in the know of his time in New York and media. His spots on shows like Howard Stern is more the icing on the cake, and those also were recorded before he went into politics. 

In the Epstein files Trump is mentioned about 6,000 times. One late accusation filed in 2019 that held no weight for many reasons, his mention is mostly Jeffery doing his darndest with his connections to stop Donald Trump. 

In 2006 Trump was one of few people to call the police on Epstein, this too is documented in the Epstein files. It was also Trump's policy to declassify the files. 

Who signed the executive order to declassify the Epstein files ? None other than Donald Trump. None of the sources you follow and admire will ever tell you this. 

...they tried to claim the files didn't exist, after saying they had it on their desk. It took the likes of Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna to get as much of it as we have, not Trump. 

I feel like I don't need to ramble on about the shit they've found on him in there, you must know of it by now. 

No man is perfect, but as far as politics goes, Trump is what the world needed.

Frankly I'm glad we have him at the helm instead of someone better at their job when it comes to pushing for Project 2025 rhetoric and policies at least, but that's more of a point in favor of Harm Reduction than anything else. 

Canadian Government did a 180 though things are still fucked up here. Entire nations are celebrating what Trump has done and what's coming next. 

They're pursuing foreign markets and making new allies in response to Trump adding tariffs where trade between Canada and the US used to be free, especially since "The Peace President's" jarring shift towards warmongering. 

This hardly appears as celebration to me. 

You clearly don't know Carmen Electra and insist instead on the default of a 'weak woman'. 

She likes S&M, likes being spanked with a cane, and has no issues talking about it other than not wanting to talk about her porn addiction. 

I know who she is. She's an ex Playboy Bunny.

She's not a Bunny dude, she was just hired to pose for the magazine a few times like many other women have. She's more known for being in Baywatch, and has had a career of shows, films, and cameos since then. Check her IMDB. 

Looking over her body of work, there's clear themes that lend to her being a woman who is at least professionally comfortable with her own body. 

By your logic, if a woman did any kind of porn, she's free game and men should be allowed to harass her sexually. In the skit she clearly wasn't up for it, but because she used to pose for nudes, your logic suggests it's okay.

No, by my logic Carmen Electra is an adult who did well enough for herself to pick her own gigs and interviews, and has demonstrated enough comfort with sex appeal and sex itself to respond as if it's less taboo of a subject. 

Carmen's effectively a Sex-Positive Feminist, and these displays are reflectant of that. 

Finally, I don't care if he gets in trouble or not or whatever it is he did to "advertise" the paid promotion for the Sybian. What I do know is how to call a spade and spade, and stay out of trouble. 

I also know if Trump did that, you'd have a complete meltdown, cause you're degranged. 

No, I'd laugh at the cheap gold paint that'd probably peel off of his shitty variation of the product, and would find his name being on a sex toy to be peak comedy for the first few minutes. 

Excuse me. But are you saying she wasn't pressured ?

I personally don't care about the show, or Carmen or Howard. I'm still able to call out things as it is. 

The paid promotion of the Sybian on Howard Stern, broadcasted a "skit" of forced sexual harassment, as the skit depicted men insisting Carmen get her pussy stimulated. Took awhile to get her on there.  

You're mistaking awkwardness for something more over puritanical views blinding you to context. Read her face, it's not like what Megan Fox had to deal with from Michael Bay. 

Not saying Howard's a saint, far from defending that dude, but it's Carmen Electra. It has more exhibitionist leanings than anything and she was in a position at that point of her career to easily turn it down. 

Okay, so you defend that behavior. Damn Nathan, I thought you were about women's rights. And I know what you're going to say, she liked it yadda yadda. Still the skit entailed that she was pressured. Again, replace Howard with Trump, and you'd easily have a meltdown.   

I defend Carmen's right to sit on a Sybian on television when it's her own choice to, this is about women's rights not about defending Howard Stern. 

She has her own autonomy, no matter how much you may deny that. 

Motorcycles are very different, and even further you did it with clothes on. 

You'd need to practically sit on the engine itself. 

Dude. I rode bikes that were so loud you can feel the ground shake. It would've made little to no difference if I removed my jeans and boxers. I also don't have a clitoris, but with that much vibration a clit wouldn't even have to make direct contact with the seat.

I've been on motorcycles before too, even once with me in the bitch seat with a hot woman driving it.

It's not the same. 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said:

I can't help but notice how much you keep avoiding points I make about the overall market to appeal to a single product from the mid-80s. 

Barely anyone has a Ferarri, are Ferraris failing? No, it's a luxury and that's it's market appeal at that price point. 

Okay Nathan.

Sybian Annual Revenue: $6.5 million

Unit Price: ~$1,245 for a standard model

Calculation: Total Revenue ÷ Unit Price = ~5,221 units per year.

Let's just say Sybian sold the same every year since launch...

So 5,221 x 39 = 203,619

An estimated less than a quarter million units sold in the 39 years it's been on market. 

So literally like the Ferrari. 

And thanks for self-demonstrating my point over how you keep looking at the one product. 

Ferrari has a waiting list. This doesn't. It's how Ferrari stays afloat. 

In my opinion the price of the machine is affordable for most people, just not really worth the money.

Most people don't have $1500 to blow on a sex toy, especially when their named piece was cheaper and they already own it. 

It's a Ferrari. 

Most people have 1500 to blow on whatever it is they want within that range. If Ferrari were cheaper and more mass produced, there would be more Ferrari's on the road.

In my opinion a Sybian is very easy to DIY.

This, is some primo grade A copium, unfiltered. 

They are not content with it there is literally markets that pray on how much they want them (eg The War Room via Andrew Tate, Onlyfans, PornHub, Manosphere, Discord fembots, sex dolls and wifu pillows, Vtuber models, the list goes on). Meet a genuinely asexual man, it's totally different. 

Women are rejecting men so hard that men are going 'you can't fire me, I quit'. That's MGTOW in a nutshell, as you never see asexual males going on about it. If they already can't get laid, it's expected for them to claim they were never trying to to justify after the fact how they keep fucking it up. 

Still truth be told. Men are more content being single than women.

Me: /presents multiple examples

You: /repeats yourself

Actually that's you cutting a sentence away from a following paragraph while accusing me of copium over some strangers using vibrators. 

I've been saying it for years, rejection is a part of manhood. Going without is nothing new to a man, we're built for it. You've been rejected and still single. Maybe you cry yourself to sleep at night cause you're a sissy man. 

Weird, I wasn't used to being single until fairly recently. I typically hopped from one relationship to the next and they'd last for years, which must say something for my success rate being higher than average when compared to your idea of men. 

Going beyond personal jabs however your point still screams projection when you barely have to look to find suffering men buying Belle Delphine's bathwater or turning their laptops into Gooning Rigs. 

You might be able to tell yourself you're okay with being alone, to save time I'll spare that point for now, but the majority who try at least are copium-based liars who'd contradict themselves the first chance they got. 

I wouldn't say hopping from one relationship to the next is successful.

I can't speak for simps simping away at some OF model. One day they'll learn or not who knows. 

It's not that men wish to be alone, they are just better at it. In 2026 more men aren't interested in being with a woman, because of how they are in general. 

We get to do whatever we want when single, and we're going to build things, and play games, and cook food. Make jokes with the boys while eating whatever we want in comfort in front of a big screen. Porn, we got porn. We have money. Most men don't care about hoes but we got hoes. Cheap ones. Less work less mess. 

...sorry but this is hilarious, you're making my arguments for me now. 

'WE DON'T NEED WOMEN WHEN WE GOT PORN!' 

Oh maaannn, Men are Cooked 😂

That wasn't what I said, it's just how your deranged mind painted it. 

Men and women do need one another. As i mentioned before, it's the west and some eastern regions are fucked.

Men are more picky too. Things like the war room and the manosphere tell men to choose wisely as it matters not how big and cool you are, getting involved with the wrong bitch will fuck you up. All the richest men in the world including sought after athletes. All Divorce. ( Been saying long ago, don't have to get married )

I feel like, based on former conversations, that you never fully immersed yourself in Andrew Tate's material but rather nodded along with the presented themes. 

Let's say I nodded along with presented themes. Which one of them shouldn't I agree with ?

What I said is correct. These venues all say, work out, study, take care of yourself, get a side hustle, get rich, and choose wisely when it comes to women. For some reason you want to "feel" something about me after saying that but you like to argue.  

I'm more traditional and it's not my goal to fuck as much broads as I can either. 

Says the guy who claims he'd rather wank it to porn and hang with the bros than date a woman. 

I never claimed such a thing. 

As a reminder, your argument is that women would rather use vibrators and it's the trend, and it's cool and how men are cooked etc. On that note you'd argue nothing beats a sex toy, while the accuser in you would say I'd rather jerk off.

There are other things in life than sex with the opposite gender, and a man can become content enjoying other aspects of it. 

Where, like Pattaya?

I never figured you the sort to hire a prostitute. 

So by your logic, women who aren't western, are prostitutes. We're talking about the majority of women here, as most women on this planet don't live in the west. 

'Dial a ho', 'go overseas', this tends to mean prostitution when said by people of the First World. 

But my original claim you responded to was "I'd recommend men go overseas to find a good woman". But there you are crying hoe. 

Okay lets entertain this argument from you though: Where would you recommend lonely dudes fly to find 'respectful women'? 

Here you're more on point with what I said in the first place. Only reason you went back in line was to bait. That much is obvious considering you've wasted time with calling women hoes, then aligning yourself with "okay where would they go to find respectful women"

More than love a man values respect. 

Men don't consider homosexuality, unless they are homosexuals, which the discussion doesn't include. 

Have you never heard of 'Allies' when it comes to the LGBTQ? 

Are you grouping women with the LGBTQ ? lol The WLGBTQ eh ?

Not happening. 

I believe we're talking about straight women using vibrators. That isn't the same as queer people using vibrators, as queer people aren't what's cooking men. 

Actually it kind of does make them uncool, at least if they go on about it like you do. 

Total wet blanket behavior to act like you're above the things your peers otherwise find to be normal. 

 Let's make one thing clear. I'm entertaining a subject of your choice, I'm taking the time to discuss dildos to begin with because watching you try to sell the idea of one makes me marvel on how out of touch with reality you are. 

...it was a joke at your expense dude, I don't expect you to invest in dildos. 

You know (wo)men like a good sense of humor, right? 

But Nathan, you're not the joker, but the joke, because you do believe men are cooked over women using vibrators. You also bundle yourself with women insisting you're a female, meanwhile you have a penis, higher bone density and an Adam's apple more defined than mine lol. No curves, no vagina, with masculine facial features nothing men find attractive in a real woman. 

You'd argue you and crow were in a lesbian relationship, meanwhile you had to take measures not to impregnate her.  

More women don't appreciate men stealing their gold medals, nor would they want to see you taking a dump in a stall designated to them. 

Aside from that, you're here carrying on about how men are cooked, while in reality you are one. As a bisexual you'd rather be with a women considering you're the type to celebrate the downfall of men, while refusing the reality that you are one. The funny thing about you is seeing how you're shooting yourself in the foot. Degeneracy goes further than sexual preference, it's self destruction of the self on many levels. 

You said multiple times "men are cooked". So I see you as someone trying to get under my skin or make me feel obsolete or replaced by some false majority I will never even have to see, meet or deal with in this lifetime.

That's what you do when told you're not a woman. 

Meanwhile you're a man yourself dreaming of one day being able to afford a fancy vibrator for your dirty loose anus, and after 39 years on the market, you still don't have one and probably will not get it anytime soon, but because you admire it, you like to think it makes you cool among real women ( You know, the ones you call cis women, the best ones with bonus holes ) Yeah to them you're all of the sudden in the loop with your manly schlong and all.

I may not be a 10 but I am more of what a good woman wants than you are Nathan. I'm more conservative, mentally stable, well put together, I can provide, I'm not a bitch either. Yes I'll fight too and get away with it sometimes, other times I won't get my way. What I am, is a better life for my partner in every way you can be regardless of love, on paper and in practice I'm a better state of being.  The wiser choice. The better catch.

Like you, I'm aware of all of these things. ( I say these things, you say those things, cause the attributes mentioned are with me, not you ) So yeah you'll come at me with your narrative that dildoes are taking over and things are better for you cause you'll access dick while I won't. You can have all of what I find vile, I promise I won't envy you.  

This is so rich omg. 

Still bet my body count's higher than yours, which kind of goes counter to your message. 

 While you're a known gaslighter and liar ( Seriously it's visible and well documented in this community ) I'll just believe your last relationship was with crow. Especially while in the midst of an argument you want to bring new information such as you actually dating and having a life.

Women don't date down, they date up. This is unfortunate even for the big fish. You on the other hand have no choice but to date down, or someone of your own level, which isn't all that good considering your girl will always have one foot out the door since you won't exactly be able to fatten her up or match her instinct to find a partner that can bring stability and security to her and potential offspring.