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And then to reply to Xena...

Wait... Did you think I was arguing with your vid? The one where dude shows just how moronic Nutlick 's fake tariff calculus is?

He is arguing with whatever arguments the right wing MAGAS say the argument from the opposition is, and assumes that's what you're going for.

@Jada, he wasn't born here. We're more like his foster parents. 😉

Now that you mention it, he is from Trinidad and tobago.

Also, I wouldn't exactly say Canada is getting wrecked yet. An auto plant and a few car dealerships in Ontario are temporarily closed, and 500 layoffs so far. As I was saying, I'm actually more concerned about HBC shutting down. 9000 people out of work there, and retail workers are less likely to get re hired quickly, compared to auto workers. Those guys have mad skillz. Other than that, a few condo complexes in Toronto won't get built. Trade wars are mostly rich people problems. The Bay would have shut down no matter who was in the Whitehouse.

I do agree that Pumpkinhead wants to start a war. That's just how he is. The big asshole telling every woman he sees to hurry up and jump in his bed or she'll be sorry and grabbing whatever he can on her and from her when she says no.

The jury may be out on who the winners are. It's now a global tit for tat, but it is clear that Canadian economy will feel the pain. The question is how the world reacts to Trump... So whether or not Trump's tactics work remain to be seen. I'm no economist.

However, US was forced to focus on China. I'm guessing the pause is a delay tactic to let US deal with China. As soon as there's another windows of opportunity, US will go all in on the trade war. So my guess is that the tactic will be to delay negotiations. Or simply to strike a deal and then renegotiate once US is back on track after China (this was done e.g. with the NATO negotiations; a deal was struck and then as soon as there was another window, the bar was raised again).

Im rooting for Canada, but from a realistic perspective.. US has a better hand for now. However, how the rest of the cards will be distributed remains to be seen. There are many cards and not everyone has played their cards yet.

spatial said:

As for me. I'm a G1 Canadian born here. I have close ties to my heritage cause my entire extended family is over there, and I've been there countless times. I have multiple cultures.

So the foster parent who took you in.... you will throw under the bus, after you got a warm meal, love and company, and a roof over your head. Shameless.

MissCommunication said: 

a few comments...

Trump didn't crush Trudeau. Trudeau imploded long before trump came back. It was actually a small woman with ties to Ukraine (Chrystia Freeland) that slit Trudeau's political throat in the final hour by quitting his cabinet and publishing a scathing letter calling him out on X. 

Chrystia Freeland resigned last December, Before Trump was sworn back into office. Trudeau visited Trump in Florida at his resort. It was then Trudrau made the mistake of telling Trump how Canada would dissolve if tariffs increased. Trudeau spent the night in some random hotel looking like he saw a ghost.

The first tariff threat on Mexico and Canada was suspended when Canada and Mexico agreed to Trump's terms. Mexico sent 10,000 troops to guard the boarder while the Trudeau government would invest a billion dollars to secure our boarder of how you say, fentynol crossing the boarder.

This was a much cheaper solution.

Trudeau did mention in January he's stepping down. The Liberal party was falling apart and they were asking him to step down. Freeland was Trudeau's finance minister, and the report was so bad, under Trump at that, she pulled back and never presented it to Parliament before resigning. Trudeau was also absent. 

Trump imposed a 90 day pause on tariffs because he got scared. Canada's new Prime Minister Carney (the most famous economist in the western world) travelled to France and the UK to remind the Western allies that all they have to do is collectively sell off the US Treasuries/hedge bonds they hold and the entire US economy will collapse overnight. 

The 90 day suspension of tariffs was implemented because of China's willingness to strike back. Hence the tariff war between the US and China. Last I looked China was tariffed 245% China is actually loosing.

Apple had tons of iPhones shipped out of China to relay them back to the US from another country, while it's likely Foxconn will go ahead and build their largest electronics plant in the US.

Many of the countries Trump says are supposedly ripping off the US have been effectively financing US debt for decades and they can call it in any time. They pulled the lever just a little as a warning the night before tariffs were paused. lmao

Trump claimed to Maga (who believe anything he tells them) that his negotiation skills brought countries to the table but the truth is Trump blinked. 

This is bias and sensational reporting. Hence those brackets.

"After pausing the tariffs, Trump acknowledged that he was watching the bond market. He said it was “tricky” and that it appeared “people were getting a little queasy.”

https://financialpost.com/news/economy/why-donald-trump-worried-about-bond-market

 Yes people were scared. Some billionaires were scared. I heard Warren Buffet was excited and was turned on by this pullback, and he should be, stock markets are a slow growth and Berkshire Hathaway's last big buying opportunity was about 2 years ago.

The media will always paint things in a way to get more views. There are stations that will endlessly bring on people to join a panel to tell their viewers how to think.

Then there are outlets that will go into detail about the tariffs without bias reporting.

The media in my opinion created a cascade of panic sellers, the discount retaliatory tariffs from the US are all much lower than expected and wouldn't have haulted trade.

I said I was born in Canada. 

If I were born in Trinidad I'd say so, that much cooler in my opinion. 

There wasn't anything there to quote. Plus I was responding to LiYang you donkey, why would I quote you ?

You're right. There is nothing there to quote, because you never attacked my arguments. You attacked the arguments of this elusive "they" that you keep rambling about.

Given that you failed to address my claims and instead attacked me over things I never said, I'm more than happy to end it here by declaring that everything I said was correct. If you think something I said is not correct, quote it and respect the process.

In summary, after arguing in bad faith, you now graciously admit that:

1. You never attacked my arguments and instead made a strawman and beat it up, seeing as you repeatedly failed to quote me.

2. Trump is in a trade war with Canada despite you first arguing this is not the case.

3. Trump is acting to further America's interests at the economic cost of other countries and hence does not align with what is good for the world.

4. Trump wants to annex canada by force, and you admit this, despite first arguing this is not the case.

5. You are a traitor to your country.

6. You lied about the ceasefire despite knowing there wasn't one.

7. Trump is harming Canada's economy.

8. Trump's decision to hand out Ukraine to Russia was an economical and political decision, rather than it being motivated by your idealistic notion of peace. Trump is not the president of peace.

Happy to end it here, I've made my case.

I said I was born in Canada.

If I were born in Trinidad I'd say so, that much cooler in my opinion.

If I had a kid as ungrateful as this after taking them in, I'd beat the shit out of them. Show some gratitude to the country that took your family in rags and gave you a place to stay.

Jada said: 

There wasn't anything there to quote. Plus I was responding to LiYang you donkey, why would I quote you ?

You're right. There is nothing there to quote, because you never attacked my arguments. You attacked the arguments of this elusive "they" that you keep rambling about.

It wasn't an attack. LiYang asked why people are the way they are. I responded with they think their doing the right thing, yada yada. I answered a question.

You feel bruised over it cause you're an NPC so you'll come charging to defend your ego.

Given that you failed to address my claims and instead attacked me over things I never said, I'm more than happy to end it here by declaring that everything I said was correct. If you think something I said is not correct, quote it and respect the process.

I addressed your claims. Which claim haven't I addressed that's on subject ?

I did address you beliving I'm from Trinidad because Xena said so. Don't take her seriously She's trying to charm me saying I said this and that about myself while no one heard of them. I like how she's brighter than you and can make you think whatever while you're civil around her pinky finger.

In summary, after arguing in bad faith, you now graciously admit that:

1. You never attacked my arguments and instead made a strawman and beat it up, seeing as you repeatedly failed to quote me.

I only quoted the stuff on subject and ignored the poo flinging. 

2. Trump is in a trade war with Canada despite you first arguing this is not the case.

We're not in a trade war with the US. Not at this point in time, and maybe it'll never happen. 

3. Trump is acting to further America's interests at the economic cost of other countries and hence does not align with what is good for the world.

Next thing you'll be burning American flags in protest.

Other countries can have popular American brands for cheaper. Why should an iPhone cost 90% more in Vietnam  ? That will soon change.

The world is up for renegotiating.

4. Trump wants to annex canada by force, and you admit this, despite first arguing this is not the case.

Well he wants Canada it's worth quadrillions and would make the US even more freaky than it is. Canada would make the US truely independent. Currently Trump is waiting for the nrw Prime Minister, and why  ? Isn't it obvious ?

5. You are a traitor to your country.

Why ? Did I go on a killing spree ?

Alberta is on the verge of separating from Canada, Quebec wants to but they probably can't sustain and wants to use the CAD.

6. You lied about the ceasefire despite knowing there wasn't one.

Israel and Hamas had a ceasefire and hostages were released.

Russia and Ukraine agreed to a 30 day ceasefire in March. Russia claims it lasted 3 days. The story of it's  failure developed when we mentioned it.

7. Trump is harming Canada's economy.

Happy to end it here, I've made my case.

 I haven't changed my stance on anything I wrote. Your validation list also amused me. 

While I brought substance and was educational, you're here trying to validate your rage as though you're right. 

Trump had a positive effect on Canada.

- We wanted an election for a good while and now we're getting one due to currect circumstances. 

- We have a more secure boarder.

- Student VISA immigrants groomed to vote Liberal will be deported like crazy now. 

- The Liberal government is shaken by Trump. 

- soon Canadians will be able to apply for work without 2000 Indians lining up.

- Canada was gonna buy f35 Raptors from the States but we're buying  jets from the British now. Cheaper. This is good for Canada and the UK. One makes money, one saves money.

- Canada is planning on building a pipeline to trade oil with...Itself. fucking gold.

- Canada will open energy trade to the world too.

- Canada will become more dependent. And it can. And STILL do business with the US.

- Canada wants to build up the military and defend our northern waters from Russia and China. We'll have ice breakers building a path for most valuable shipping ports

It's all happening, not with Biden. Trump is a blast of coffee. Canada is out of it's comfort zone and we have fuckloads of resources.

China is getting busted as we speak, Canada is sitting pretty. Where is there a tariff war ? China. (Say it like him. China.)

- China, Vietnam and Japan.... 3 nations who hate eachother have created a trade agreement. Trump effect. Though China is in serious trouble, you couldn't possibly take it from me how much shit their in economically.

More good things to come. 

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You're so deranged, I'm pretty sure you'd like to see Trump actually harm Canada so you can be right. 

And you'd like to see Trump being a Russian asset, so you could be right for putting your faith in a lie your trusted sources, instilled in you.

Trade war is in China. 

Also i know why it's so important for you to top me.

I was right about that chick you wanted to impress in the hospital. She wanted you to stay away but you kept coming, then things got really awkward for you and they ended up escorting you out.

Yeah man. It's for the best. At least you never told your wife about it, she'd totally see it for what it is.

Let me demonstrate:

Spatial

> > Not just saying this, but that was a very foolish reply Legga.
> > It was Trudeau who damaged the Canadian economy.

Legga

> I have no problem with the notion that Trudeau damaged the Canadian economy.

Spatial

Actually, you did have a problem with it cause you juuuust went on about Trump crushing my Canada and a list of other damages only the Liberal government delivered.

Now quote me where I say I think Trudeau did not damage the Canadian economy. I know you can't. You know you can't. We all know you can't. Because I don't believe it, nor would I therefore ever say it, nor did I ever say it. The logical conclusion is therefore that you're attacking a strawman. Is it not?

Do you want another example?

Ps. You say I'm raging, but I'm at least staying on topic... while you're starting to bring up past grievances to.. rile me up or something? The reason I'm calling you a traitor to your country is to show you that you're in the wrong, rather than insult you. Because I know you know that the kind of behavior and attitude you have towards your country is treacherous, unpatriotic, and ungrateful.

Do you disagree that supporting the annexation of your own country by force is unpatriotic and ungrateful?

We're not in a trade war with the US. Not at this point in time, and maybe it'll never happen.

Then answer my question: what do you think trade war means? Really simple question.

Other countries can have popular American brands for cheaper. Why should an iPhone cost 90% more in Vietnam ? That will soon change.

Explain which argument you think I'm making here and which one you think you're addressing. You are quoting me saying:

""Trump is acting to further America's interests at the economic cost of other countries and hence does not align with what is good for the world.""

Now finish this sentence: "No I disagree that Trump is acting to further America's interests at the economic cost of other countries because (...)."

Does the sentence continue with "(...) because why should iphones cost 90% more in Vietnam"?

Im not saying iPhone should cost 90% more in Vietnam. Does that answer your question?

I see now that the problem and friction boils down to a combination of you not being able to read what I say carefully, and not being able to condense what you say into its essence.

...Or are you basically saying that Trump is not aiming to put America first and put down the best deal for America at the cost of other countries because he can negotiate a good deal for American iPhone over, say, Chinese smartphones, so it's actually economically better for countries to buy those iphones, and that if those countries were smart they'd actually just take the deal because it's super profitable to them, and US needs to force them to negotiation table simply because they lack all economical insights and what's good for them, when in reality getting more american brands cheaper will be economically beneficial to them, if only they realised it? Surely you're not that braindead?

Jada said: 

Let me demonstrate:

Spatial

> > Not just saying this, but that was a very foolish reply Legga.
> > It was Trudeau who damaged the Canadian economy.

Legga

> I have no problem with the notion that Trudeau damaged the Canadian economy.

Spatial

Actually, you did have a problem with it cause you juuuust went on about Trump crushing my Canada and a list of other damages only the Liberal government delivered.

Now quote me where I say I think Trudeau did not damage the Canadian economy. I know you can't. You know you can't. We all know you can't. Because I don't believe it, nor would I therefore ever say it, nor did I ever say it. The logical conclusion is therefore that you're attacking a strawman. Is it not?

First I'll quote what I was responding to.

As I mentioned, that was a foolish reply, because no Trump did not crush my economy. And if he did I certainly wouldn't be thanking him.

Here's the kicker.....

- I'm not talking about what you never said.

- I'm talking about what you said.

When I reply to what you said, it's not my fucking job to talk about what you never said.

Do you want another example?

Sure one more cause this one just showed how ridiculous you are. 

Ps. You say I'm raging, but I'm at least staying on topic... while you're starting to bring up past grievances to.. rile me up or something? The reason I'm calling you a traitor to your country is to show you that you're in the wrong, rather than insult you. Because I know you know that the kind of behavior and attitude you have towards your country is treacherous, unpatriotic, and ungrateful.

Do you disagree that supporting the annexation of your own country by force is unpatriotic and ungrateful?

 You're actually trying to do some damage control cause you want me to ignore all the times you argued Trump damaged Canada's economy and how Canada and the US are in a trade war. 

A war isn't a war unless it has begun. 

If Canada and US reach a trade deal, then history will have it that there was no trade war between the US and Canada. 

Jada said: 

We're not in a trade war with the US. Not at this point in time, and maybe it'll never happen.

Then answer my question: what do you think trade war means? Really simple question.

lol sure Legga.

A trade war is when 2 trading nations impose an increase in costs for exporting goods. 

They will retaliate by further increasing the cost making it difficult or impossible for a nation to sell goods into an economy.

Other countries can have popular American brands for cheaper. Why should an iPhone cost 90% more in Vietnam ? That will soon change.

Explain which argument you think I'm making here and which one you think you're addressing. You are quoting me saying:

""Trump is acting to further America's interests at the economic cost of other countries and hence does not align with what is good for the world.""

Now finish this sentence: "No I disagree that Trump is acting to further America's interests at the economic cost of other countries because (...)."

Does the sentence continue with "(...) because why should iphones cost 90% more in Vietnam"?

Im not saying iPhone should cost 90% more in Vietnam. Does that answer your question?

I see now that the problem and friction boils down to a combination of you not being able to read what I say carefully, and not being able to condense what you say into its essence.

...Or are you basically saying that Trump is not aiming to put America first and put down the best deal for America at the cost of other countries because he can negotiate a good deal for American iPhone over, say, Chinese smartphones, so it's actually economically better for countries to buy those iphones, and that if those countries were smart they'd actually just take the deal because it's super profitable to them, and US needs to force them to negotiation table simply because they lack all economical insights and what's good for them, when in reality getting more american brands cheaper will be economically beneficial to them, if only they realised it? Surely you're not that braindead?

 Your argument is that Canada and the US are in a trade war.

At this point in time, there isn't one as Canada and the US aren't doing a tit for tat tariff increase and quite possibly that won't even happen.

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China on the other hand is having a tit for tat tariff war with the US and last I looked the US imposed a 245% tariff on China. THe Yuan is crashing to hell, Chinese workers are out of work as their employers are broke. China needs that sweet USD cause the Yuan isn't enough. 

245% increase. That means all consumers in the US will have to pay 345% more for all goods coming in from China, incentivising the consumer to buy alternative products. This also forces Chinese business to move their operations to the US and hire US citizens.

It's about job creation and boosting one's economy.

Is this happening in between Canada and the US ? Nope. 

That is a tariff war, while this is not.