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Spatial Mind said: 

Xadem said: 

I know that some of our members here are strongly pro-trump, and now I'm curious about their reaction. Seeing their stocks plummeting, not even they can ignore the damage now.

When it comes to investing we have weak hands, and strong hands. Though it sounds feeble the term weak hand isn't an insult, it's what any holder is when they first get into an investment and it hasn't moved.

The weak hand will suffer when the markets crash, no matter how big the capital investment. 

Trump's crash fell down 27% then bounced back up to  -13% ( from the previous top where a weak hand invested. )

Most investors have strong hands and won't panic sell when there's a market dip. As a matter of fact some investors boasted this cycle when they bought that dip. 

Hodling while the market crashes is not a test of strength dude, if Trump's shitty policies tank the market, and you are celebrating the rebound, it's like someone burned your house down "but it's okay cuz the fire people extinguished the fire"

You seem very comfortable with a 27% crash. As if you don't understand how devastating this is for the non-rich people, like working class people and people with pensions, retirement savings... Maybe Rich tech bros can hodl but most others, especially Americans, cannot. 

also it's funny that my post is mainly about the ethical concerns of (deliberately) tanking the economy, and you are sidestepping that for... Investment strategy. Way to prove my point ig 

Also look at the previous dip in 2022. That is a -37% dip ( That chart is the NASDAQ where each candle represents 1 week ) so it took much longer to recover, but there was no outrage. 

Maybe they didn't care about minorities or other people, but if it hurts their own wallet it's gotta do something to them, right?

Well Xadem, some of us actually are minorities. I'm the biggest minority on this site tbh, there are less than 1.3 million of me in the world. I'm pro MAGA cause I understand it, and I'm not even a US citizen. 

Being a minority yourself doesn't negate the fact that republican policies can harm minorities. Let me guess, you have a gay friend so banning DEI is not a problem either? The way you play into your own minority status and somehow "uncle tom" your way through MAGA's disregards for your own people and other minorities is sad. 

Sometimes it feels like the stock market is the only thing US conservatives care about, making it a good opportunity for reflection.

I'd argue you're guilty of that Xadem. You are after all taking the opportunity to reflect on your understanding of the markets performance.

I do think you're the type to prance around every time a market crashes.

I saw that in you before and here we are again. Though the markets are much higher now aren't they. It's just everytime there's a dip, you'll make like it's the end.  

Weird that this is the part where you get defensive

It's becoming harder to deny the catastrophic effects the Trump administration has not only on Americans, but on the entire world.

Well. In Canada, Trump has crushed the Trudeau dynasty, his own party insisted he step down because he's proven too weak to deal with Trump.

- We have stronger borders, not only for what may go into the states, but what will come out of it, and trust me we get a lot of illegal shit coming from the states. 

- We have a federal election April 28th. We were expecting it to happen in October, but it's happening the hell right now. 

- Trudeau the idiot invested 20 billion to Ukraine, and now there's a ceasefire. The ceasefire is Trump's work again.

- Ceasefire between Hamas and Israel. Trump again. 

- The Taliban wants dialog with the US and wants to trade. Trump again. 

President Trump is the president of peace. 

I don't know canadian politics enough to comment on it. 

But a bad peace only leads to more war later on... Shitty ceasefires like hamas/palestine and whatever is gonna be Russia/Ukraine completely ignores the reality of the situation and leads to more death down the line. 

also, he escalating tensions with iran as we speak, and threatened to invade panama and take greenland. 

After ignoring how people are being sent to slave labour camps, judicial due processes being ignored, imperialist territorial claims being made and journalists censored...

Sounds like WWII, with the Nazi's putting Jews to slave labor. I don't think that's happening today. In China it says there are forced labor camps for the incarcerated. I think that's fine, would you like America to free them ?

Yes Realpolitik is inherently hypocritical. Remember how the EU said nothing when Turkish took to the streets to protest against Erdogan imprisoning his main political opponent? Lol. But does that justify sending innocent people to El Salvador slave camps? 

The EU is considering closer ties with China over them being rational authoritarians instead of the Trump administration's utter chaos. That makes a choice between a predictable psychopath and a maniacal one.  So let's not compare the long list of war crimes of either in favour of the other... 

Obviously china does bad shit too, and we can't ignore that. But ask yourself; What happens when a company/country gets uncertainty or even distrustful of a trade partner? They go look for alternatives. So that is simply what is happening. Chinese are eagerly positioning themselves as a stable alternative and predictable partners who are ready to negotiate with everyone. You must understand that unlike the US they are longterm planners who really believe their system is superior to that of the US, and tbh this is slowly proving right. As we speak some billionaire is dismantling the US government and US allies are pulling away, so China is happy to jump fill in the vacuum. 

This is an opportunity for geopolitical realignment, cuz Trump is destroying the multilateral system which the USA was the beating heart of. And now China is the new world leader. 

That all wasn't enough to break the narrative. Is it now? Or will trumpists double down and pretend there is a masterplan for us all, instead of just for those few at the top? 

 The master plan in the enrich the American people. Not drive them into the ground as previous administrations have been doing for a very long time. 

I myself wrote about Trump's economy doing poorly at first. That is because the economy will need to realign and it won't just happen overnight. Tariffs are a thing, always has been. Your sources don't really program you to understand what's happening with them though.

And who did the tariffs hurt the most? American consumers, farmers, small business owners... Who benefited most? The ultra rich

Also you're welcome to challenge my inferior sources if that makes you feel superior in the absence of an actual reply but if you're just going to dismiss them without offering evidence this convo will not last long 

Xadem said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

Xadem said: 

I know that some of our members here are strongly pro-trump, and now I'm curious about their reaction. Seeing their stocks plummeting, not even they can ignore the damage now.

When it comes to investing we have weak hands, and strong hands. Though it sounds feeble the term weak hand isn't an insult, it's what any holder is when they first get into an investment and it hasn't moved.

The weak hand will suffer when the markets crash, no matter how big the capital investment. 

Trump's crash fell down 27% then bounced back up to  -13% ( from the previous top where a weak hand invested. )

Most investors have strong hands and won't panic sell when there's a market dip. As a matter of fact some investors boasted this cycle when they bought that dip. 

Hodling while the market crashes is not a test of strength dude, if Trump's shitty policies tank the market, and you are celebrating the rebound, it's like someone burned your house down "but it's okay cuz the fire people extinguished the fire"

You buy the rebound. It's a sale. Buy low. The market always recovers. It happened during the pandemic, happened during Biden's -37% crash ( no one made that one political ), and it will happen again. All 3 crashes are in the same chart I provided. 

A weak hand is an investor who bought the stock late and it never had a chance to grow. Could be a 10 billion dollar investment, or it can be a 100 dollar investment, they are both weak hands. 

Most investors have what they call a strong hand, others have diamond hands.

If you investment crashes, selling it is the worst thing you can do.

If someone can't handle a pullback, they shouldn't invest. 

You seem very comfortable with a 27% crash. As if you don't understand how devastating this is for the non-rich people, like working class people and people with pensions, retirement savings... Maybe Rich tech bros can hodl but most others, especially Americans, cannot. 

The -27% that was measured for you, is not all time, it's measured from the previous high. For some traders this crash is less than -5% it all depends on when they bought the stock and how their assets handled.

A market crash doesn't indicate how much every stock crashed, it's a combined measure of all assets in the market. 

From the top

-22.07% by my measurement. That yellow dotted line is -13% And, for the investors who bought the Biden dip, this market is currently up 130%

Again the crash is measured from the top not all time. Certainly not a quarter of the whole chart either. 

also it's funny that my post is mainly about the ethical concerns of (deliberately) tanking the economy, and you are sidestepping that for... Investment strategy. Way to prove my point ig 

I once wrote the economy won't do too well at first with Trump. It's what happens when the world trade is being renegotiated. And it has to be done. If this doesn't happen the US will collapse. 

Also look at the previous dip in 2022. That is a -37% dip ( That chart is the NASDAQ where each candle represents 1 week ) so it took much longer to recover, but there was no outrage. 

Maybe they didn't care about minorities or other people, but if it hurts their own wallet it's gotta do something to them, right?

Well Xadem, some of us actually are minorities. I'm the biggest minority on this site tbh, there are less than 1.3 million of me in the world. I'm pro MAGA cause I understand it, and I'm not even a US citizen. 

Being a minority yourself doesn't negate the fact that republican policies can harm minorities. Let me guess, you have a gay friend so banning DEI is not a problem either? The way you play into your own minority status and somehow "uncle tom" your way through MAGA's disregards for your own people and other minorities is sad. 

Why are you even bringing up minorities then ? Are you speaking from a place of supremacy thinking you're greater than a minority that you have to signal yourself stepping down to give a coloured person a boost ?

DEI is racist and dumb. 70% of the US is white, same with Canada. And DEI suggests that 70% needs to take a step back to let less qualified people get the job. In Toronto we had a DEI pilot flip and plane upside down on the runway. If you're going to have surgery, you don't want a DEI doctor cutting you open you want the most qualified. It's not about race, it really isn't. I know many minorities that say fuck DEI, and they think white people like you are laughable thinking we need your support. 

Sometimes it feels like the stock market is the only thing US conservatives care about, making it a good opportunity for reflection.

I'd argue you're guilty of that Xadem. You are after all taking the opportunity to reflect on your understanding of the markets performance.

I do think you're the type to prance around every time a market crashes.

I saw that in you before and here we are again. Though the markets are much higher now aren't they. It's just everytime there's a dip, you'll make like it's the end.  

Weird that this is the part where you get defensive

I'm just pointing something out about your character Xadem. You're the one who never invested in the first place. In order for you to have lost money in this market crash, you'd have to be a noob with a weak hand, and remember a weak hand is one who got in late and is at a loss. I don't believe you are. 

It's becoming harder to deny the catastrophic effects the Trump administration has not only on Americans, but on the entire world.

Well. In Canada, Trump has crushed the Trudeau dynasty, his own party insisted he step down because he's proven too weak to deal with Trump.

- We have stronger borders, not only for what may go into the states, but what will come out of it, and trust me we get a lot of illegal shit coming from the states. 

- We have a federal election April 28th. We were expecting it to happen in October, but it's happening the hell right now. 

- Trudeau the idiot invested 20 billion to Ukraine, and now there's a ceasefire. The ceasefire is Trump's work again.

- Ceasefire between Hamas and Israel. Trump again. 

- The Taliban wants dialog with the US and wants to trade. Trump again. 

President Trump is the president of peace. 

I don't know canadian politics enough to comment on it. 

But a bad peace only leads to more war later on... Shitty ceasefires like hamas/palestine and whatever is gonna be Russia/Ukraine completely ignores the reality of the situation and leads to more death down the line. 

also, he escalating tensions with iran as we speak, and threatened to invade panama and take greenland. 

Iran is escalating tensions with the US tbh. They have been attacking oil tankers. the Saudi's aren't impressed with Iran either. 

Iran is a nation that believes the world must be bathed in blood to make progress. They also fund Hamas.

Ceasefires and peace talks aren't something to belittle, while you think it's better for the world to pick a side until one end gets crushed. 

After ignoring how people are being sent to slave labour camps, judicial due processes being ignored, imperialist territorial claims being made and journalists censored...

Sounds like WWII, with the Nazi's putting Jews to slave labor. I don't think that's happening today. In China it says there are forced labor camps for the incarcerated. I think that's fine, would you like America to free them ?

Yes Realpolitik is inherently hypocritical. Remember how the EU said nothing when Turkish took to the streets to protest against Erdogan imprisoning his main political opponent? Lol. But does that justify sending innocent people to El Salvador slave camps? 

The EU is considering closer ties with China over them being rational authoritarians instead of the Trump administration's utter chaos. That makes a choice between a predictable psychopath and a maniacal one.  So let's not compare the long list of war crimes of either in favour of the other... 

Oh yes, imprisoning one's main political opponent. Did you know Trump was charged with something no one in history was charged with by a judge that had ties with the DNC ? 

Obviously china does bad shit too, and we can't ignore that. But ask yourself; What happens when a company/country gets uncertainty or even distrustful of a trade partner? They go look for alternatives. So that is simply what is happening. Chinese are eagerly positioning themselves as a stable alternative and predictable partners who are ready to negotiate with everyone. You must understand that unlike the US they are longterm planners who really believe their system is superior to that of the US, and tbh this is slowly proving right. As we speak some billionaire is dismantling the US government and US allies are pulling away, so China is happy to jump fill in the vacuum. 

This is an opportunity for geopolitical realignment, cuz Trump is destroying the multilateral system which the USA was the beating heart of. And now China is the new world leader. 

You're partially right. The world will open up to new markets, while the US will also be able to take part in fair trade.

China right now are in trouble the Yuan is crashing, businesses are shutting down, warehouses and shipping containers came to a halt with goods just sitting there. 

The Chinese need the USD to make what they do worthwhile. Some nations can help a little bit, but the USA is the world's largest economy, they consume more than anyone, even though they are only 350 million people. The USD is the world's most important currency. Without US trade, China's economy is going to shrink. 

China chose a tariff war with the US, and they are losing greatly. Last I looked 245% Tariffs on China and Xi is on the chopping block as their economy is on fire. 

That all wasn't enough to break the narrative. Is it now? Or will trumpists double down and pretend there is a masterplan for us all, instead of just for those few at the top? 

 The master plan in the enrich the American people. Not drive them into the ground as previous administrations have been doing for a very long time. 

I myself wrote about Trump's economy doing poorly at first. That is because the economy will need to realign and it won't just happen overnight. Tariffs are a thing, always has been. Your sources don't really program you to understand what's happening with them though.

And who did the tariffs hurt the most? American consumers, farmers, small business owners... Who benefited most? The ultra rich

Also you're welcome to challenge my inferior sources if that makes you feel superior in the absence of an actual reply but if you're just going to dismiss them without offering evidence this convo will not last long 

The purpose of the tariffs is to get the world to negotiate better trade deals, and to bring businesses back to the US.

The world charges the US more in tariffs. Unfair trade. That has to end or else it'll be a trade war.  

Both sides agreed to a 30 day ceasefire last month, Russia claims it lasted 3 days.

Russia rejected the ceasefire proposal. What both sides agreed to was to halt attacks on energy infrastructure. The war is ongoing and never stopped. Energy infrastructure is one of a million military targets. There is factually no ceasefire and never was. This was Trump's way of saying to Russia "give us something so it looks like things are at least moving in the right direction" and Putin threw him a bone.

Let me be clear, there never was a ceasefire.

And I'm pretty sure I never worded it in such a maner. What I did say is Trump is the President of peace, and he wants to stop wasteful government spending.

Yes you argued he's a president of peace and admitted the latter point after I explicitly pointed it out.

spatial said:

President Trump is the president of peace.

There, now everyone can see Im quoting you. Now quote me on the arguments you said I made.

You skipped over all of the parts where I ask you to quote me. Read your own replies. Do you see how your post addresses everything except the part where I ask you to quote me? Do you admit that you've been attacking a fantasy opponent? Admit it. Or quote me.

See you're dodging the truth.

Im dodging a strawman. Quote me making the argument you're attacking. You're attacking an argument made by MSM and you think it's an argument im making. Stop quoting MSM and start addressing what I say instead.

Of course they do. They tried maybe twice before and this is maybe the 3rd time.

By your logic it's better to fall into a stoneage than to join the US.

I say if Poilievre can't fix this mess, then joining the US is best. ( it's so true )

It's when pride is a sin, God hates stupid.

It's better to fight for your homeland than to be a traitorous coward and flee, in my opinion, yes. Canada should deport you for treason.

Says you as you're scrounging for something to throw back at the truth I've spoken. You're just in denial and plain dunce, while I've lived in Canada all my life.

I agree you spoke truth in explaining your unpatriotic cowardice. However, the rest is a strawman. I've asked you now 5 times: Quote me. You've been attacking MSM, and you don't understand my view, because you're not listening. If you think this is not the case, then quote me on the arguments I've made that you're attacking.

Instead of doing that, let me guess, you will address everything except the parts where I ask you to quite me. Let's see as people read your next reply.

Spatial Mind said: 

 

 

 

Sounds like WWII, with the Nazi's putting Jews to slave labor. I don't think that's happening today. In China it says there are forced labor camps for the incarcerated. I think that's fine, would you like America to free them ?

Yes Realpolitik is inherently hypocritical. Remember how the EU said nothing when Turkish took to the streets to protest against Erdogan imprisoning his main political opponent? Lol. But does that justify sending innocent people to El Salvador slave camps? 

The EU is considering closer ties with China over them being rational authoritarians instead of the Trump administration's utter chaos. That makes a choice between a predictable psychopath and a maniacal one.  So let's not compare the long list of war crimes of either in favour of the other... 

Oh yes, imprisoning one's main political opponent. Did you know Trump was charged with something no one in history was charged with by a judge that had ties with the DNC ? 

 

Obviously china does bad shit too, and we can't ignore that. But ask yourself; What happens when a company/country gets uncertainty or even distrustful of a trade partner? They go look for alternatives. So that is simply what is happening. Chinese are eagerly positioning themselves as a stable alternative and predictable partners who are ready to negotiate with everyone. You must understand that unlike the US they are longterm planners who really believe their system is superior to that of the US, and tbh this is slowly proving right. As we speak some billionaire is dismantling the US government and US allies are pulling away, so China is happy to jump fill in the vacuum. 

This is an opportunity for geopolitical realignment, cuz Trump is destroying the multilateral system which the USA was the beating heart of. And now China is the new world leader. 

You're partially right. The world will open up to new markets, while the US will also be able to take part in fair trade.

China right now are in trouble the Yuan is crashing, businesses are shutting down, warehouses and shipping containers came to a halt with goods just sitting there. 

The Chinese need the USD to make what they do worthwhile. Some nations can help a little bit, but the USA is the world's largest economy, they consume more than anyone, even though they are only 350 million people. The USD is the world's most important currency. Without US trade, China's economy is going to shrink. 

China chose a tariff war with the US, and they are losing greatly. Last I looked 245% Tariffs on China and Xi is on the chopping block as their economy is on fire. 

 The master plan in the enrich the American people. Not drive them into the ground as previous administrations have been doing for a very long time. 

I myself wrote about Trump's economy doing poorly at first. That is because the economy will need to realign and it won't just happen overnight. Tariffs are a thing, always has been. Your sources don't really program you to understand what's happening with them though.

And who did the tariffs hurt the most? American consumers, farmers, small business owners... Who benefited most? The ultra rich

Also you're welcome to challenge my inferior sources if that makes you feel superior in the absence of an actual reply but if you're just going to dismiss them without offering evidence this convo will not last long 

The purpose of the tariffs is to get the world to negotiate better trade deals, and to bring businesses back to the US.

The world charges the US more in tariffs. Unfair trade. That has to end or else it'll be a trade war.  

 You see the truth. Why do some people fallow the cult propaganda misleading them? These people are gullible fools.

LiYang said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

 

 

 You see the truth. Why do some people follow the cult propaganda misleading them? These people are gullible fools.

 This is advanced stuff, though it only really requires an open mind. They think they're doing the right thing, plus they don't want to be on the receiving end of the propaganda's ridicule mechanism. In some cases the subject lacks humility and won't change unless prompted to. 

The most interesting takeaway here, is how I pointed out the US tariffs

- The whole world charged the US tariffs for trade

- The Trump comes back with -50% discount reciprocal tariffs which is STILL unfair for the US ( literally a small pat on the bum with the option to negotiate, and it actually worked )

But that goes over their heads, and the US has no right to charge tariffs ! Only the world can charge tariffs ! and it's way more ! not the states, shame on them !

President Trump is very wise, like King Cyrus. The US can either save money, or make money, the world will also benefit from opening trade with one another, though the US will remain the largest and most important economy, and why ? Because they consume, consume consume, and the USD is better than most currencies, but due to the scale of their economy the USD is the best without being the most valuable.  

There's old footage of DNC members complaining about tariffs and how something will need to be done about it, but they never had the stones to do it.

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some good news.

When this is over, the US is going to explode. It'll turn into a utopia. Lambos everywhere like Dubai.

Americans on welfare will get less money, yet, be able to get more out of it. 

Any nation without any trade barriers with the US will be okay. Plus they're be open to trade more with one another.

If Trump succeeds at everything he wants to accomplish. The US will no longer tax citizens/

The rich get richer, and the poor get richer, but no one wants the rich to get richer so they'll try to stop that and forget how everyone else is getting rich, but yes the poor will get richer. 

Nice echo chamber you got going there.

Who's this "they"?

I presume this is the MSM, myself, and everyone who speaks against you here?

All these "they" are saying this:

But that goes over their heads, and the US has no right to charge tariffs ! Only the world can charge tariffs ! and it's way more ! not the states, shame on them !

Now quote me saying that. Cause I never said anything even vaguely like that. But you keep insisting..... that I'm touting the MSM line. This "they" that you're fighting is nowhere to be found my friend.

Let the record show I was right. You avoided quoting me, as I predicted.

this thread gave me a brain bleed

a few comments...

Trump didn't crush Trudeau. Trudeau imploded long before trump came back. It was actually a small woman with ties to Ukraine (Chrystia Freeland) that slit Trudeau's political throat in the final hour by quitting his cabinet and publishing a scathing letter calling him out on X. 

Trump imposed a 90 day pause on tariffs because he got scared. Canada's new Prime Minister Carney (the most famous economist in the western world) travelled to France and the UK to remind the Western allies that all they have to do is collectively sell off the US Treasuries/hedge bonds they hold and the entire US economy will collapse overnight. 

Many of the countries Trump says are supposedly ripping off the US have been effectively financing US debt for decades and they can call it in any time. They pulled the lever just a little as a warning the night before tariffs were paused. lmao

Trump claimed to Maga (who believe anything he tells them) that his negotiation skills brought countries to the table but the truth is Trump blinked. 

"After pausing the tariffs, Trump acknowledged that he was watching the bond market. He said it was “tricky” and that it appeared “people were getting a little queasy.”

https://financialpost.com/news/economy/why-donald-trump-worried-about-bond-market

 

Jada said: 

Nice echo chamber you got going there.

Who's this "they"?

I presume this is the MSM, myself, and everyone who speaks against you here?

You ask a question, then answer your question with a question. 

There's a reason why I never even read your last response. There's no substance for the subject at this point in time. Just you shaking in anger.

All these "they" are saying this:

But that goes over their heads, and the US has no right to charge tariffs ! Only the world can charge tariffs ! and it's way more ! not the states, shame on them !

Right?

Now quote me saying that. Cause I never said anything....

Shut the fuck up. I'm obviously quoting no one in particular. But you are ignorant and one sided and dismissive as far as the truth in the matter goes.