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Dragoonback said: 

I wish I could remember a saying that was basically, things have logical ends. Capitalism is always about bourgeoisie dominance, and yes that includes the most minimal amount of corporations who "out compete" the rest. You do realize in the US there's only a handful of corporations right? What era do you live in tc?

Capitalism forces multiple interests to compete and make deals with eachother in their ecosystem, which creates a cutthroat culture practice in business, while Corporatocracy is about suppressing progress beyond their own between around six megacorporations, making the lives of those few corporations significantly easier when they can literally write laws without fear of competition. 

You can sit here and try to conflate the two, but I see Corporatocracy as at least 50% worse. 

How is rent seeking not already suppressing progress on a fundamental level?

Dragoonback said: 

How is rent seeking not already suppressing progress on a fundamental level?

It's smaller interests enacting it, rather than six megacorp presidents having a direct say. 

uhh corporations definitely rent seek in the us, and either way it can only be exploitation

Dragoonback said: 

uhh corporations definitely rent seek in the us, and either way it can only be exploitation

Do you not see a difference between multiple competing interests passively serving already successful megacorporations, versus direct megacorporate control? 

Dragoonback said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

 100% north koreans are better off than south koreans, doesn't mean it's "the best place to live" like one of the exploited places a western colonizer like you can can move to at their own novel whim. that must piss you off that north korea won't ever let your colonizer ass dick around there.

You fail again. With more hot air. 

Oh yes, i'm a big time colonizer, just like the British used to be. One day I'll gleefully go to North Korea as I'm just dying to go and plant my flag to claim the land as my own. Brilliant Goon. 

Choices are not even real because of determinism. Why would anyone want to become a doctor to be exploited by landlords or to be out-competed by government agencies that pay themselves?

Well Doctors are generally very wealthy and usually own their properties. Renting is also an option when you have money. 

If there were no such thing as renting properties, a vast numbers of us would be driven out into the boonies and into the wild, especially these days. 

Maybe people would actually want an overall better society, and for an actually better reward than what capitalism only pretends to give.

Yeah like free food, free shelter, free electricity. Everyone just pulls their weight. I'm not entirely opposed to that, however it's not realistic and it will lead to other foolery. As useless as you are, you would be punished in that environment and will be forced to live in a bootcamp environment. Little to no leisure time for you. Just government forcing your ass to hussle for the right to carry on living.   

By our standards? What standards? Energy is falling apart as people like you want coal and oil to go on forever. Nuclear could have already replaced electricity production if not for capitalism that is modeled around oil and destruction.

Your assumption is once again, hot air. 

People like me enjoy Hydro power, and I take pride in that. There are nuclear plants, but they aren't as green as you think, certainly not as green as hydro. Nuclear waste is an issue and it'll remain highly radioactive for thousands of years. They are also very dangerous, and prone to having a meltdown. We have one in the Greater Toronto Area but I personally aren't signed up for that. It's also well constructed and one of the best power plants in the world, still the hydro power is favorable. Probably even cheaper. 

Also, once someone builds a railroad, what work is even left for them to do? There is no way to value that and if I built a rail it's for practical reasons, and capitalism is not a practical reason, it's just what coerces labor that eventually benefits the bourgeoisie and not the proletariat that builds for practical reasons.

Everything you own. Has been on a truck. Even that shelter you stay in, every brick, to everyone part and piece of it. The streetlights outside has been on a truck. If the trees were strategically planted, they've been on a truck too. 

Maybe even it's been on a train, as  freight trains are used to transport goods from sea ports to across the land.

Everything you eat has also been on a truck. 

Take away the trucks and the train as we use them, and you'll starve and die while the world falls into chaos. People will try to eat one another eventually. 

Capitalism has to punish efficiency and reward destruction and exploitation.

 Ha ha ha. 

I'm glad I don't have your concerns. 

What does Capitalism exploit in you ? Or rather, is there even anything there to exploit ? I think not. You're very easy to figure out. 

You still have your social assistance, is rent your problem ? You must be struggling and because you don't really make an effort and don't contribute to society, you want the government to bring everyone down to your level so maybe you can shine, and you'll find peace within your HPD. 

Dragoonback said: 

So if it prevented tyranny then why are there still landlords in South Korea? Why is the birthrate crashing?

 Don't you know ?

It's due to Feminism. Social media, and guys giving less fucks. Happens in various parts of the world. 

Homosexuality is also on the rise, which is an act of extinction within itself. 

Turncoat said: 

Dragoonback said: 

Turncoat said: 

I disagree, it's the difference between a few corporations literally controlling government versus the capital itself doing so. 

Basically imagine if Samsung was like 1/3 of your government. 

 lol what do you people think capital is? it is the government and the government extracting the value from labor, not "giving value to labor."

It's literally called Capital.

Yeah, Capitalism is the one controlled by Capital. Capitalism typically has a ton of different businesses rather than like six controlling everything with 100% room to monopolize their markets. In South Korea their corpos have no competition and can outright write laws, it's a very different model. 

By comparison, in a Corporatocracy, even if these corporations were struggling the government itself would lean into helping them pick themselves back up. That is so much worse than writing off bank debts and other shit, it's direct control via the corporations like that of Cyberpunk. A corporatocracy can turn down bribes (capital) if it doesn't meet the bottom line of their interests over a matter of control rather than competition, while capitalism will become opportunism by comparison over said competition being what could ruin them. 

As long as it's Capital that guides Capitalism's hand, a business can fail as another takes it's place. With a corporatocracy the country itself is so in deep that a failing corporation means a failing country. 

 I'd say a corrupt government is subservient to corporation. Just like Biden. That is illegal though they get away with it over and over again.

All of that stops cause Trump owes no corporate donors any favors like the others did. For many reasons they are shaken by Trump. 

We Russians are dying out after we chose capitalism. The birth rate is lower than the death rate, even before the war with Ukraine. We lived poorly in the USSR. There wasn't such an abundance of goods in the stores, but damn, the birth rate was higher than the death rate.

Were there government subsidies for those with larger families?