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Tryptamine said: 

That’s such a cucked position, the whole point of the gender divide in sports is so that women can have their own space to compete.

Then that is what we need to work on. 

We need to think about this from a Transhumanist perspective, rather than a Transexual one. We should allow for body modifications, imagine what kind of sports we could be watching. 

Tryptamine said: 

I don't even think most trans are trying to fight this battle, I think it's the radicalized people online fighting for trans that got the dialogue all screwed up.

Very true, most people who are willing to go the whole nine yards and take gender-swapping hormones aren't really imagining themselves doing it in the name of sports. 

It always comes out as more of a principles battle, it's not an invasion it's a discussion over odd exceptions. 

Lenalee said: 

Transwomen aren't women, they don't belong in women's sports or spaces tbh. If these men are placing 8th in the mens division and realized that by self-iding as a woman they can either win or significantly move a few spaces ahead then they deserve to stay in the mens division and lose.

What about Transmen in Men's sports? 

Turncoat said: 

Tryptamine said: 

That’s such a cucked position, the whole point of the gender divide in sports is so that women can have their own space to compete.

Then that is what we need to work on. 

We need to think about this from a Transhumanist perspective, rather than a Transexual one. We should allow for body modifications, imagine what kind of sports we could be watching. 

Perhaps. I get the transhumanism thing, and that may be an endpoint for us yet. But in the meantime if I spent money flying my daughter all around the country after she won an athletic scholarship, just to see her get crushed by some dude who turned into a woman? The sympathy valve starts tightening when I see people getting hurt by unfair advantages because some people believe we are homogeneous.

Women's and men's sports have been predominantly segregated for a reason, in non segregated sports (marathons, etc) men often dominate due to biological reasons others have already mentioned above. A person who has gone through puberty with testosterone has an unfair advantage over someone who has not. Trying to compare that to black vs white is unrealistic because that kind of dimorphism does not exist between different human ethnicities. Never has.

I don't think it is fair to exclude trans people from sports altogether. I think a third segment should be created for trans people, otherwise transwomen should compete in men's sports.

Along with the advantages of being biologically male, trans women will also never have to experience the biological disadvantages of bio women in sports- Trand women will never have to run a marathon with cramps or keep competing when their tampon is leaking & staining their clothes.

Transwomen are biologically closer to men. It makes more sense to divide physical competition by biological differences rather than how a person sees themselves on the inside.

At the same time, holding women to the standard of only competing against fellow women might have them not try as hard as if they were made to compete against men. By comparison, if they are made to compete against eachother we may see Testosterone become more of a Gregarious trait in women, lending to higher T-counts in future girls born overtime that could serve to shortening the gap. It isn't just men's natural predisposition towards higher T-counts that lends to the divide between sports, a lot of it is also culturally ingrained. If we want to have Amazonians, then we need to entirely restructure the cultural lens as to change breeding trends and child rearing practices, a new set of internalized expectations. 

Again though I think we ought to just throw everyone together and let them steroid the fuck out, get robot parts, etc. Rather than sitting there figuring it isn't fair that someone else has an edge, why not fight to get an edge of their own? 

Tryptamine said: 

I don't even think most trans are trying to fight this battle, I think it's the radicalized people online fighting for trans that got the dialogue all screwed up. The impression that I get as a scholar who watches some edgy leftist YouTube is that the trans movement was hijacked by people who thought they could get more signal boost on their virtues over social media. The 1% of ppl who claim trans who actually transition are usually just wanting to "be" in peace. Yes, I understand that there are now some jacked rapists in women's prisons now, but I don't think transitioning is the problem. The problem is this psychopathic culture of equality at any cost.

 The same people that have hijacked the trans movement are now considered trans themselves because of identifying as non binary and shit, so they've both hijacked and are also part of said movement. Few real trans people are talking against transwomen in women's sports, you've got dudes like Fallon Fox bragging about punching terfs(his opponents weren't terfs) and over emotional mediocre men finally feeling like they won something because they're in the women's division where they have an advantage. 

Transitioning is the problem when is being allowed to be self diagnosed like it is today, now that wpath has claimed it's not a mental illness (it is) and many places allow for self id. 

Turncoat said: 

Lenalee said: 

Transwomen aren't women, they don't belong in women's sports or spaces tbh. If these men are placing 8th in the mens division and realized that by self-iding as a woman they can either win or significantly move a few spaces ahead then they deserve to stay in the mens division and lose.

What about Transmen in Men's sports? 

I'm more inclined to be ok with this because the problem people have with trans in sports, or at least those making compelling arguments against, is that muscle mass and bone density is largely determined under the influence of T during development. FtM could make for some awkward locker room issues and other such things, but this at least here people who didn't transition don't autolose for not being trans.

I think for trans sports, they need their own thing like I believe you said earlier. MtF will probably always win but this can be a nice opportunity for some in that community to figure out how to fix the handicap issue. :)

Turncoat said: 

At the same time, holding women to the standard of only competing against fellow women might have them not try as hard as if they were made to compete against men. By comparison, if they are made to compete against eachother we may see Testosterone become more of a Gregarious trait in women, lending to higher T-counts in future girls born overtime that could serve to shortening the gap. It isn't just men's natural predisposition towards higher T-counts that lends to the divide between sports, a lot of it is also culturally ingrained. If we want to have Amazonians, then we need to entirely restructure the cultural lens as to change breeding trends. 

Again though I think we ought to just throw everyone together and let them steroid the fuck out, get robot parts, etc. Rather than sitting there figuring it isn't fair that someone else has an edge, why not fight to get an edge of their own? 

 No, that only benefits men. Just have a separate Transwomen category.

Sorry Im on mobile and did not mean to reply for Lena. I guess you get my 2 cents whether you want them or not 

Lenalee said: 

Turncoat said: 

At the same time, holding women to the standard of only competing against fellow women might have them not try as hard as if they were made to compete against men. By comparison, if they are made to compete against eachother we may see Testosterone become more of a Gregarious trait in women, lending to higher T-counts in future girls born overtime that could serve to shortening the gap. It isn't just men's natural predisposition towards higher T-counts that lends to the divide between sports, a lot of it is also culturally ingrained. If we want to have Amazonians, then we need to entirely restructure the cultural lens as to change breeding trends. 

Again though I think we ought to just throw everyone together and let them steroid the fuck out, get robot parts, etc. Rather than sitting there figuring it isn't fair that someone else has an edge, why not fight to get an edge of their own? 

 No, that only benefits men. Just have a separate Transwomen category.

You don't see women becoming more buff as a good thing for women?