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Bitch said: 

Turncoat said: 

Bitch said:

When I resisted the urge of speaking my mind, I suddenly had a lot more friends, but I felt lonely, like I wasn't accepted for who I was.

I moreso started by resisting the urge, and then around college I found it a lot more freeing to just say stuff. 

Criticizing people, criticizing ideas, or both?

Most of the catastrophizing I'd done in my head over why I needed to inhibit that area ended up way exaggerated compared to the otherwise tolerable reality. While being honest with people does have it's costs, I began to see the cost as higher to maintain faux-friendship upkeep. 

Do you have a concrete example of how your criticism has damaged your relationships?

It tends to go better IRL, but there are some people who will kick you out of their house for insulting a movie like "Into The Spiderverse". It was super shocking when it was fresh, but it's a lot funnier now. 🤣

I'm more wondering how much tone's been assisting those interactions, or body language or something, as even meeting SCers IRL had it go tons better in person when I'm otherwise saying much of the same shit and even openly laughing at a lot of it. 

Lenalee said:

Why is upon anyone else to make you feel good?

I'd go further and say that it'd weaken the person to only ever hear good things. 

Would you not question why they are trying to make you feel good without addressing anything solid of what you've said?

She must really need to hear good things, and questioning it means finding things wrong with the compliment. 🤷

It's not like she's the only one here who needs that to push on. 

Turncoat said: 

I was in an environment where criticizing ideas and quality were normal, but as to if they could or couldn't take real life stuff had more variation. The classroom was pretty brutal about sniffing out weaknesses though, so them having things to hide didn't really serve them too well and I likely modeled off of that while growing up. I am not a fan of lying or secrets from them being a bunch of upkeep and weight to carry, while just saying the truth by comparison tends to make it easier from not needing to remember so many webs. Personal truth tends to be as consistent as the individual, having their message should it change reflect their own changes from an otherwise consistent and honest person.

Shortly before hitting college I saw how much holding shit back was not healthy; It's habit forming and overtime contributes to an unrealistic paranoia over what people can and can't take. Rather than falling prey to that paranoia I often see that the reality isn't nearly as bad... but then sometimes I see a narcissist or something and they have no armor at all.

It tends to go better IRL, but there are some people who will kick you out of their house for insulting a movie like "Into The Spiderverse". It was super shocking when it was fresh, but it's a lot funnier now. 🤣

That's weird.

I'm more wondering how much tone's been assisting those interactions, or body language or something, as even meeting SCers IRL had it go tons better in person when I'm otherwise saying much of the same shit and even openly laughing at a lot of it.

Can you record your criticism of SpatialMind and send it here, so I can evaluate? I can tell you what it is.

Turncoat said: 

I'd go further and say that it'd weaken the person to only ever hear good things. 

Bitch said: 

Turncoat said: 

I was in an environment where criticizing ideas and quality were normal, but as to if they could or couldn't take real life stuff had more variation. The classroom was pretty brutal about sniffing out weaknesses though, so them having things to hide didn't really serve them too well and I likely modeled off of that while growing up. I am not a fan of lying or secrets from them being a bunch of upkeep and weight to carry, while just saying the truth by comparison tends to make it easier from not needing to remember so many webs. Personal truth tends to be as consistent as the individual, having their message should it change reflect their own changes from an otherwise consistent and honest person.

Shortly before hitting college I saw how much holding shit back was not healthy; It's habit forming and overtime contributes to an unrealistic paranoia over what people can and can't take. Rather than falling prey to that paranoia I often see that the reality isn't nearly as bad... but then sometimes I see a narcissist or something and they have no armor at all.

Do you see any value in holding back?

It tends to go better IRL, but there are some people who will kick you out of their house for insulting a movie like "Into The Spiderverse". It was super shocking when it was fresh, but it's a lot funnier now. 🤣

That's weird.

It was very weird, yes. 

The house guests found it equally strange. 

I'm more wondering how much tone's been assisting those interactions, or body language or something, as even meeting SCers IRL had it go tons better in person when I'm otherwise saying much of the same shit and even openly laughing at a lot of it.

Can you record your criticism of SpatialMind and send it here, so I can evaluate? I can tell you what it is.

Why Spatial in particular? 

Bitch said: 

Turncoat said: 

I'd go further and say that it'd weaken the person to only ever hear good things. 

What do you think of Daniel Kahneman's "what you see is all there is" principle, and how it applies to your criticism of others?

Have you ever thought of following the philosophy adopted by the US judicial system in your criticism?

I have definitely never thought about that. 

Turncoat said: 

I see convenience out of holding back anyway, but not really value. It's good for the workplace anyway, and sometimes someone really isn't ready to hear the thing, but I figure that bar's set in more realistic zones than how it typically is displayed on this forum. 

It was very weird, yes. 

The house guests found it equally strange.

How did they react?

Why Spatial in particular?

He was fresh in my mind as an object of your critical interest. There was no particular reason. Would you be willing to give a sample? I was curious that people seem more comfortable with your criticism IRL.

Turncoat said: 

Bitch said: 

What do you think of Daniel Kahneman's "what you see is all there is" principle, and how it applies to your criticism of others?

I have no thoughts on it from having never heard of it.

Have you ever thought of following the philosophy adopted by the US judicial system in your criticism?

I have definitely never thought about that. 

The idea is innocent until proven guilty. The idea is to approach every situation as though you have no biases as to what the answer is.

How about now? Have you ever thought of following the philosophy adopted by the US judicial system in your criticism?

Bitch said: 

Turncoat said: 

I see convenience out of holding back anyway, but not really value. It's good for the workplace anyway, and sometimes someone really isn't ready to hear the thing, but I figure that bar's set in more realistic zones than how it typically is displayed on this forum. 

What about people with low self confidence? Would you hold back if you dealt with someone like that?

It was very weird, yes. 

The house guests found it equally strange.

How did they react?

Wide-eyed shock and silence. 

Being more familiar with her they knew she had her temper building up (from Into the Spiderverse like wtf), but I don't think they expected someone to be kicked out over it. 

Seriously, that movie's just appropriated pop cultural trash with half of their story's threats stolen from Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. They couldn't even animate it with a good frame rate, and their fat older Peter Parker was very generic for the hand-me-down mentor role. Everything in that movie was expected, the music choices often didn't fit the scenes, the characters were too archetypal to the point of becoming two dimensional, it was just baaaaaaad. 

Why Spatial in particular?

He was fresh in my mind as an object of your critical interest. There was no particular reason. Would you be willing to give a sample? I was curious that people seem more comfortable with your criticism IRL.

Seems like having it be about him would just bait him to flip out more. 

Bitch said: 

Turncoat said: 

Bitch said: 

What do you think of Daniel Kahneman's "what you see is all there is" principle, and how it applies to your criticism of others?

I have no thoughts on it from having never heard of it.

Steve is very shy and withdrawn, invariably helpful but with little interest in people or in the world of reality. A meek and tidy soul, he has a need for order and structure, and a passion for detail. Is Steve more likely to be a librarian or a farmer?

 

What is your answer?

The example illustrates how easy it is to jump into conclusions.

Have you ever thought of following the philosophy adopted by the US judicial system in your criticism?

I have definitely never thought about that. 

The idea is innocent until proven guilty. The idea is to approach every situation as though you have no biases as to what the answer is.

That then has the question of what qualifies as proof and how much of it you'd need, and by the end of it you're completely barred from airing out supposition, hunches, and how things otherwise appear to be. I have spent time linking tons of quotes to show patterns but at the end of the day they just reply with "You don't know me", so the question would become where the line is drawn for treating something as proof rather than an implicative quote. 

I get how it'd have to be that way for something official as to keep them on task, but that's not as realistic for the social tier. 

How about now? Have you ever thought of following the philosophy adopted by the US judicial system in your criticism?

I'm more finding it easier to state how 'People' in similar circumstances react to it, rather than saying it's about them. This tends to have them instead compare their own reaction to that of 'People', rather than feeling quite as defensive over how their construct belief of self feels under attack.