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Other people tend to remember their own prior experiences, which can dull the blow should the same information come up again. Spatial by comparison, after a few months of not thinking about it, takes hearing the same thing coming up as if it were new and then proceeds to loop through surprisingly similar reactions as if the former timeframe never even happened for him.

Seriously ^

I've hit my line for patience with it, you've proven incapable of conversation over it. You don't even retain what your peers are saying anymore so all it proves to be is an exercise in futility. 

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last edit on 5/23/2022 6:31:31 PM
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Lenalee said: 
Xena said: 
Lenalee said: 
Xena said: 

lol I wasn't talking to you.

You're not the one who asked for suggestions  :P

 That line i isolated isn't anything to do with being less critical and more to do with finding excuses to make someone else feel good by not addressing what the person wrote or posted (if we speak about the forum specifically). At that point why engage a person at all. 

There's nothing wrong with being critical at times as long as it's not your entire personality

 I know that. 

That's why I name dropped Dale Carnegie.

How to Win Friends and Influence People. It's a classic.

 

I'm not talking about the forum. Idgaf about this place.

I'm talking about life.

 

What's wrong with finding excuses to make somebody else feel good?

You think that's so wrong that it's better not to engage the person at all?

Do you see how messed up that is?

To be so against the simple little act of being nice that you would just rather not talk to anybody?

Idk that book I've never read it

 Irl that's my answer too. If you won't speak honestly to them and instead opt for false vapid flattery what's the point of even engaging them? Why is upon anyone else to make you feel good? Would you not question why they are trying to make you feel good without addressing anything solid of what you've said? 

I don't think it's messed to simply not engage someone if you feel you can't have a real conversation with them.

It's not even being against the "the act of being nice" its just basic respect isn't it, to give out a sincere human response.

 

 lol if I was 100% honest with everybody I'd never get anywhere in life.

I can tell you haven't read your Carnegie. But I'm quite surprised that you're able to work with the public if you feel you have to be 100% honest with everybody all the time.

I had assumed Turncoat wanted to be less critical for work or smthg.

Because if we're just talking about random people we'll never see again, then sure. Be as much of a cunt as you want  :D

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It's people with high self confidence that tend to respond to it poorly over having the ego to lash out rather than internalize it, while people with low self confidence by contrast usually don't trust compliments instead. 
Do you think the criticism would help them more than it would hurt them?
 
Poorly if it was with him caught off guard, uncomfortably if he heard about it in advance. 

Do you believe Spatial is the type of person that doesn't want to hear criticism? Why?

Consistency, there's more than enough history and the guy's on a loop. 

Other people tend to remember their own prior experiences, which can dull the blow should the same information come up again. Spatial by comparison, after a few months of not thinking about it, takes hearing the same thing coming up as if it were new and then proceeds to loop through surprisingly similar reactions as if the former timeframe never even happened for him.

What do you think would make Spatial change his mind? What do you think would make you change yours?

The difference there is that there is far more information on this site to suppose a theory, compared to this farmer/librarian coin flip. FFS both of those occupations have reason to appeal to a shy or meek person with little interest in people and a vast imagination, my point is that we'd need more information.
What information, if any, do you think is missing on this site? How do you think your own personal experiences bias your judgement, if they do?
 
It was with a group of doctors where I was being tested over various criteria for disorder.

It was overall a very strange experience for something so otherwise standard in appearance.
What else did they ask you?
 

Now when you say "concrete", I can't help but feel that the word'll be used to push for more and more digging with you in the position of always being able to say "I'd need more".

How about an example without it needing to be concrete? A link would be fine. Now I can't tweak the standard after the fact.

There is otherwise no standard for establishing what is and isn't concrete beyond your opinion as things stand now, and that's a surprisingly common trap people try to play here: The 'If I don't believe it then they're either wrong or need to work harder' angle where they can sit there and just say 'Nah, try again' repeatedly, yielding overtime how much more and more it's not about proof, but rather about feeling convinced.

This was my question to you. How do you ensure that the philosophy guiding yourcriticism is rooted in skepticism and not cynicism or pessimism? How do you ensure your level of criticism stays roughly constant among all topics and people as opposed to varying your level of criticism based on convenience?

I'd think that it'd inhibit you from saying like 80% of what's really on your mind, and that it'd offer challenges when it comes to proving something someone else hasn't already proven for you. There has to be a range of half-baked ideas that have enough going for them to eventually stumble upon if not become with more information fully baked ones, but in such cases it's better to err on words like "think" or "feel" rather than "know".

How do you deal with that? How much do you trust your assessment of Spatial? What is your confidence level? What are your conclusions?

Do you mean judging actions as opposed to judging people?

No, I mean literally referring to their own mistakes in the third person layman to force them to look at it without feeling like it's about themselves.

Does this work in practice?

last edit on 5/23/2022 6:43:13 PM
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Xena said: 
lol if I was 100% honest with everybody I'd never get anywhere in life.

I'm sorry you feel that way, I too felt like that once but was surprised to see that some people could take it. 

My complaints are moreover how that's not enough people, it sucks. 

But I'm quite surprised that you're able to work with the public if you feel you have to be 100% honest with everybody all the time.

Work-Face is different, but outside of there? 

I had assumed Turncoat wanted to be less critical for work or smthg.

I tended to just do the Good Listener routine when I used to be on the clock. 

Because if we're just talking about random people we'll never see again, then sure. Be as much of a cunt as you want  :D

What about those you would see again that are otherwise of no consequence, like members of a forum? 

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Canary said: 

Spatial, dear god, we know your version already you say it the same way every time. 

 I absolutely say it the same everytime. And to be clear, it's not just my vision, nor is it based on hearsay, like your envious lies.

You're hopeless.

Objection, your honor. Argumentative.

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Canary said: 

Spatial, dear god, we know your version already you say it the same way every time. 

 I absolutely say it the same everytime. And to be clear, it's not just my vision, nor is it based on hearsay, like your envious lies.

You're hopeless. 

 TC. If you want people to believe I doxxed and hurt people, why not just start naming names ?

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Turncoat said:
Other people tend to remember their own prior experiences, which can dull the blow should the same information come up again. Spatial by comparison, after a few months of not thinking about it, takes hearing the same thing coming up as if it were new and then proceeds to loop through surprisingly similar reactions as if the former timeframe never even happened for him.

Seriously ^

I've hit my line for patience with it, you've proven incapable of conversation over it. You don't even retain what your peers are saying anymore so all it proves to be is an exercise in futility. 

 you know what's truly astonishing? how many times you feel the need to repeat this about tony. why can't you accept this about him? why do you keep whining about it? just shut the fuck up and get over it lmao?

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Canary said: 
Canary said: 

Spatial, dear god, we know your version already you say it the same way every time. 

 I absolutely say it the same everytime. And to be clear, it's not just my vision, nor is it based on hearsay, like your envious lies.

You're hopeless. 

 TC. If you want people to believe I doxxed and hurt people, why not just start naming names ?

Because it didn't do anything constructive the other numerous times you had me do it, I'm not a jukebox. 

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last edit on 5/23/2022 6:56:28 PM
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Canary said: 

 I'm mostly indifferent to what TC has to say about me really. There are reasons for that. But I dislike it when he tells lies about me, or rather when people buy into lies.

Why?

Here's the truth. Everyone that's been seeing me around here doesn't agree with TC's claims that I've doxxed and hurt people over the years.

Did you factually ever dox anyone? If yes, why do they agree you haven't doxed people? If no, why does Turncoat claim you have doxed people?

How do you define doxing someone?

I never appreciated being doxed and bullied, so why the hell would I do that to others ? Especially when I myself am vulnerable ? Such idiocy.

You have never doxed anyone? If someone procures evidence that you have doxed someone at some point, you will admit you're wrong?

When asked who did I dox, TC will refuse to answer that question publically. People like that keep their false gossip underground.

Why not?

What's clear is TC claims about me are a projection of the things he's done. Over the years we've seen him dox, harass, and turn on his comrades. He was still working for Luna when he wrote pages on kiwifarms to dox and bully Luna. They laughed and ridiculed Luna while TC provided pictures and Luna's social media.

His Kiwifarms entry is still there. The pictures he provided Kiwifarms aren't even Luna, it's some girl Luna used to catfish us.

Why did Turncoat dox Luna's catfish?

Am I flipping out and losing my cool ? Hell no. I just have things to say.

Some would say I'm being arrogant or conceited or some narcissist, but does it really surprise anyone that I have more blessings in life, than our subject ? I wouldn't want our roles reversed, and I don't have the capacity to donate much time to TC anymore. I want real substance, but that's too much to ask for when it comes to that guy.

What do you think would make him change his mind? What do you think would make you change yours?

last edit on 5/23/2022 6:57:30 PM
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Turncoat said:
Other people tend to remember their own prior experiences, which can dull the blow should the same information come up again. Spatial by comparison, after a few months of not thinking about it, takes hearing the same thing coming up as if it were new and then proceeds to loop through surprisingly similar reactions as if the former timeframe never even happened for him.

Seriously ^

I've hit my line for patience with it, you've proven incapable of conversation over it. You don't even retain what your peers are saying anymore so all it proves to be is an exercise in futility. 

 you know what's truly astonishing? how many times you feel the need to repeat this about tony. why can't you accept this about him? why do you keep whining about it? just shut the fuck up and get over it lmao?

 When it comes to TC, i have to repeat the lies he spreads. It sheds light into this subject.

As for my memory. It's excellent.

TC is the only one who says I have a bad memory. He seems to think that will help him juggle more lies.

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