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Here is some basic material for the Americans:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum

 

The terms "left" and "right" appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left.[6] One deputy, the Baron de Gauville, explained: "We began to recognize each other: those who were loyal to religion and the king took up positions to the right of the chair so as to avoid the shouts, oaths, and indecencies that enjoyed free rein in the opposing camp".

 

Generally, the left-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism" while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism".

Just because the American progressives are acting like fascists, does not change the meaning of the words, because the rest of the world still uses these terms for what they are. In general.

I actually had 2 Americans tell me I do not know what left and right means, as they inversed its meaning, even after I told them the above^. Tto this day, this is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. And I watch a lot of conspiracy theorists.

Look, there is only Left and Right in USA. I will call them "American Leftist". These labels change over time anyway. Don't use progressive, there is no progress with these idiot American Leftist. Only destruction.

 

American Left freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism, more government control of your life, more taxes, godless atheists, medical tyranny

American Right is characterized by an emphasis on freedom, less government, less taxes, fetus rights as a human, authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism. God fearing

 

But there is a growing center of moderates on both sides.

 

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LiYang said: 
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Chaotik said: 

The internet has evolved into a serious plague that I could see and technically do see regressing progress, that isn't to say similar trends witnessed didn't exist before the internet, merely that the internet has made issues such as conspiracy theorists more widespread and the accumulation of false information makes everything incoherent. While yes, our current AI employed tends to turn racist, it isn't truly self aware AI, I'd be of the faith that would say if it were able to internalize all the data of the internet, human history, and such, and it wouldn't be racist. 

I support regulation and filtering of information on the internet, I don't trust humans. The internet we know of is widely dominated by the West, and if the US can easily just take and shut down Iranian websites, then I understand and agree with the PRC's stance of the "Great Firewall" I see it as a first step to digital sovereignty and security for a nation. If it were up to me, platforms like Twitter would be wiped out. I see no need for them. Sure, you get "free speech" but then you let it fester and it just turns into a bunch of mentally ill disabled mutants detached from reality. Much like this place, or anywhere else on the internet, no offense. The abstraction of your personhood changes you. Not being held accountable to who you are, and acting like a different person online, in my opinion affects you mentally and isn't healthy.

If sentient AI can't come to regulate this issue, then I would promote the destruction of the internet. 


Can one of you define radical left for me and gives me examples of figures or parties that refer to the "radical left" just out of curiosity and what made Luna "radical left".

 "Can one of you define radical left for me and gives me examples of figures or parties that refer to the "radical left" just out of curiosity and what made Luna "radical left".

 

Wasn't she talking free speech last time? Seems she is moving to the right.

Leftist get their feelings hurt and shut down free speech.

Such American elitism to say that right-wing is free speech.

 The Right in the USA is for freedoms and free speech. You can call it what you want. Leftist, NAZIs get hurt and lash out. What does the Right stand for in the EU? Who are they? Do they have freedoms like guns and moonshine stills? Can you work freely without medical tyranny like forced and coerced vaccines?

 

That's the Right I'm talking about, the freedom loving one

 It's true. The right is constantly being silenced by left wing social media outlets.

Like damn. President Trump is banned on Twitter for what ? Hate speech they say ?

At the moment Stephen Crowder is banned on youtube for the rest of the year. The typical right winger sees their subscriptions vanish all the time.

Even the removal of the dislike button on youtube is for the left, as it shows how unpopular the left really is.

The left always pushes for silence, not only in social media, but in public too. Right wing speakers are constantly being harassed and protested by a mob of left wing activists demanding the truth be silenced. In Universities.

 removal of the dislike button where t?

also right wingers get banned cos they might be inciting violence or racial hatred which simply isnt kewl

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 I believe he is referring to how YT removed the totals for Dislikes.  Only totals for Likes appear.

Even JonTron brings it up:

Thrall to the Wire of Self-Excited Circuit.
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You really seem to believe Christianity ran the mainstream media in the 80's. That's false.

You're in a different world.

It's collectively understood to have happened this way as a matter of recorded history. 

 That's fake though.

You seem to think a lot of things are fake. 

 Yes.

See this is where in your shoes I'd start to question myself, a lot of shit might not be real but it's more likely that, even during times we've been alive, we're liable to have not noticed everything. 

I'm a media junkie, I look at this stuff more like a pop culture historian to see what trends led to other trends down a timeline until we hit where we are now. The media itself is interesting, but the evolution of the censor is a constraint that has both stopped people from writing what they'd want to write and in some cases inspiring them to either work within those constraints to produce a strangely superior product from the challenge (like Ren & Stimpy did in the 90s compared to when the guy had complete creative control later on Spike TV) if not finding outside venues for cult followings that were made so powerful as a protest against the classic censor. 

The constraints of the censor end up becoming a muse for many artist, so it's been interesting to follow it's shifts. It's in a pretty weird state right now where the freedom to say curse words continues to flourish while demographic labels are going out of style in spite of archetypes being on the rise. You can say "Granny's stank pussy bitches" no problem, but you cannot say something like "Gay African" unless they're made out to be some sort of Guru or Wiseman trope. 

The target audience was assumed to be Christian, which wasn't that far off to assume when you consider the numbers of card carrying Christians back then (and even now really). As such, that was the constraints they were facing for 'Cancel' risk. All that really shifted was Canceling power being put into the hands of the people, whereas before it was over corporate presumption. You can even see a rise in Witchcraft in the media as an author protest, but even those were whitewashed and typically presented as a 'dark path' when compared to now, and you rarely saw them push religious values outside of the usual Christian norm, something that becomes increasingly apparent as you watch media from other countries for a comparison. 

Really though, you can see who the people that became too adjusted to 80s values are by seeing who complains about shit like Beavis and Butthead. It took the 90s to break out of the prison the 80s tried to build. 

But seriously. I was all about TV and radio. When the vcr went mainstream I was there. I know the biggest artists on the 80's as I was there as it all unfolded. We used to use our tapes to record radio.

Did you really make yourself look at that which was outside of your own interests though?

Most don't. 

RUN DMC, Madonna, NWA, Maestro fresh west, David Bowie, Rolling Stones, Michael Jackson and a whole heap of others. I seriously cannot tell you of a Christian group hitting it big, neither can you really.

The Censors are not the same people as the businesses themselves, nor their artists. While now it's a lot more transparent you had to go through a ton of hoops to get your shit released, and they had to walk the line pretty thinly to be risque when the censor otherwise could just take them off the market with a group of angry supporters behind it. 

Christian bands and artists have for the vast majority of history been awful from fixating too much on their music while not comparing themselves to more successful sources, retreating too much into their own genre for a niche audience. This however doesn't mean that the Christians were not the ones behind the vast majority of what was and wasn't deemed okay for media, simply that they were not it's creators but rather it's critics.

Seriously, during an era where "One Nation, Under God" wasn't being questioned yet a lot went through our culture under the idea of "Christian Values". It's around the time we saw Bill O'Reilly complaining about Christmas becoming X-Mas that the censor was changing from a Christian machine into an 'Equalist' one. 

Horror movies of the 80's are fucked up too. 

60s and 70s went harder for fucking with the mind, while 80s made it more about body horror. 

Rosemary's Baby for instance hits on way darker tones than Child's Play. 

Cartoons were indeed a marketing ploy to sell toys. G.I. Joe and Transformers as you mentioned, are a trademark of Hasbro then and now. 

Somethings haven't changed. 

The company is the same, but their target market has changed. 

The artists remain who they are, pushy to get their brand out, but the censor insists that it be their branding instead. 

Iconic 80's shows were A-Team, Knight Rider, and a pile of others. 

I never really got into those, too episodic with a numbing amount of consistency. By contrast you have shows like MASH from the 70s. 

There was no artist revolution against Christianity in the 80's to make what they wanted, Gangsta Rap about killing niggaz was a thing back then too. 

I'd argue freedom of speech was more well off in the US before 2015.

From a position of privilege where your views were the mainstream, that view of yours for as wrong as it is makes sense for you to acquire. 

From the other side of the fence I look at history for it's repressive practices done through it's rating system and censorship practices and see that fading more and more as I get older. Suddenly you can say curse words on TV, show a lot more skin, and can be more blatantly suggestive as long as it's not about pigeonholing an entire demographic. 

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 I believe he is referring to how YT removed the totals for Dislikes.  Only totals for Likes appear.

Yeah... I really hate that trend. As someone who purposely goes out of their way to find videos with surprisingly high dislike counts they've just shut off an entire venue of intrigue for me. Now the only fail-content seeking I can do as readily are low view counts. 

There's some browser add-ons like this one that plan on using retired dislike data as well as those integrated through their own network, but this is just a bandage at best. At this point why even have the dislike button, for just the uploader and Youtube to see? 

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 I believe he is referring to how YT removed the totals for Dislikes.  Only totals for Likes appear.

Yeah... I really hate that trend. As someone who purposely goes out of their way to find videos with surprisingly high dislike counts they've just shut off an entire venue of intrigue for me. Now the only fail-content seeking I can do as readily are low view counts. 

There's some browser add-ons like this one that plan on using retired dislike data as well as those integrated through their own network, but this is just a bandage at best. At this point why even have the dislike button, for just the uploader and Youtube to see? 

 

Spatial is right about the censorship and it's all in the name of feefees. The dislike button is an example.

We are creating a generation of weak spoiled brats that will ruin everything and I will enjoy it as it burns. There is still room for it to go well, but I won't enjoy that nearly as much.

Incels have already started this activity, it is tiny and it is only the beginning. Entitled manchildren.

The progressive left will crumble to any real opposition as well, all they do is get yes man as an extension of their power, they have no power on their own. Trump is an excellent example. He said no.

Entitled brats are on the rise, welcome to 2022.

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Once it all dies, I hope for a future with no democracy and freedom. I wouldn't bet it on it yet, but I can hope.

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 I believe he is referring to how YT removed the totals for Dislikes.  Only totals for Likes appear.

Yeah... I really hate that trend. As someone who purposely goes out of their way to find videos with surprisingly high dislike counts they've just shut off an entire venue of intrigue for me. Now the only fail-content seeking I can do as readily are low view counts. 

There's some browser add-ons like this one that plan on using retired dislike data as well as those integrated through their own network, but this is just a bandage at best. At this point why even have the dislike button, for just the uploader and Youtube to see? 

 interesting..

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Good said: 

 I believe he is referring to how YT removed the totals for Dislikes.  Only totals for Likes appear.

Yeah... I really hate that trend. As someone who purposely goes out of their way to find videos with surprisingly high dislike counts they've just shut off an entire venue of intrigue for me. Now the only fail-content seeking I can do as readily are low view counts. 

There's some browser add-ons like this one that plan on using retired dislike data as well as those integrated through their own network, but this is just a bandage at best. At this point why even have the dislike button, for just the uploader and Youtube to see? 

Spatial is right about the censorship and it's all in the name of feefees. The dislike button is an example.

We are creating a generation of weak spoiled brats that will ruin everything and I will enjoy it as it burns. There is still room for it to go well, but I won't enjoy that nearly as much.

I don't see it as being all that different from where we were before, albeit over different subject matter. 

Same problem, different labels. 

 
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Good said: 

 I believe he is referring to how YT removed the totals for Dislikes.  Only totals for Likes appear.

Yeah... I really hate that trend. As someone who purposely goes out of their way to find videos with surprisingly high dislike counts they've just shut off an entire venue of intrigue for me. Now the only fail-content seeking I can do as readily are low view counts. 

There's some browser add-ons like this one that plan on using retired dislike data as well as those integrated through their own network, but this is just a bandage at best. At this point why even have the dislike button, for just the uploader and Youtube to see? 

Spatial is right about the censorship and it's all in the name of feefees. The dislike button is an example.

We are creating a generation of weak spoiled brats that will ruin everything and I will enjoy it as it burns. There is still room for it to go well, but I won't enjoy that nearly as much.

I don't see it as being all that different from where we were before, albeit over different subject matter. 

Same problem, different labels. 

 

 Who exactly is being censored tho?

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Lenalee said: 
Good said: 

 I believe he is referring to how YT removed the totals for Dislikes.  Only totals for Likes appear.

Yeah... I really hate that trend. As someone who purposely goes out of their way to find videos with surprisingly high dislike counts they've just shut off an entire venue of intrigue for me. Now the only fail-content seeking I can do as readily are low view counts. 

There's some browser add-ons like this one that plan on using retired dislike data as well as those integrated through their own network, but this is just a bandage at best. At this point why even have the dislike button, for just the uploader and Youtube to see? 

Spatial is right about the censorship and it's all in the name of feefees. The dislike button is an example.

We are creating a generation of weak spoiled brats that will ruin everything and I will enjoy it as it burns. There is still room for it to go well, but I won't enjoy that nearly as much.

I don't see it as being all that different from where we were before, albeit over different subject matter. 

Same problem, different labels. 

 Who exactly is being censored tho?

Alex Jones is a prime example that signaled that this could happen to anyone, but largely the 'Hate Speech' types and those who'd push for more regressionist values of intolerance. Whether I agree with the content itself that's being taken down or not though is independent of if I think it ought to be taken down, as while I don't necessarily like people learning those things I do see it as otherwise opening the conversation. We even see people who aren't pushing intolerant ideas being flagged over corporate concerns over the website's image, like some of Contra's older videos. 

Usually they'll take videos down over matters of race, but over matters of gender they have more room to get away with it for some reason. Even Seinfeld doesn't quite translate the same now as it used to. Netflix even took down the episode 'Advanced Dungeons and Dragons' from the show Community over how it has Chang wearing Black Face (as a Drow), and their use of black face was meant to mock the concept of it rather than anything related to IRL races beyond a tongue-in-cheek referential. 

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